Free agency starts / reported signings (merged)

[RJ87]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Portland might not match. They could be hesitant to add more long term salary to the books with Dame wanting out. They owe a lot of money to Jerami Grant, Anfernee Simons, and maybe Nurkic if they can't unload his salary in a Dame trade. And they may prioritize getting Scoot, Simons, and Sharpe as much playing time as possible. 

[celticsclay]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

That would seem to be a crazy price for thybulle who really hasn’t developed much.

[Vermont Green]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

I think it may end up being a little less than the full MLE, since using any of the MLE hardcaps you at the first apron and not sure they have enough room to use all of the non-tax MLE and stay under that apron.

In any even it does seem they are prioritizing Thybulle over Grant, maybe just because they expected the Celtics to match on Grant?

Could be the threat of a match or willingness to do a S&T.  Either way, it seems like POR would be much more willing to let Thybulle go than BOS will be to let Grant go.

[Vermont Green]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

That would seem to be a crazy price for thybulle who really hasn’t developed much.

I would not want to pay that much for him.

[libermaniac]

Thybulle to sign offer with Mavs. Does this take them out of the running for Grant?

https://twitter.com/chrisbhaynes/status/1676625586134065152?s=46

[Celtics2021]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

Great in theory, but isn't the salary used for matching purpose for us whatever Grant's salary was last year? Unless a third team is involved, I don't think we can make those numbers work.

[Vermont Green]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

If they are able to move Hardaway and get a TPE, they still would have to work out a trade with the Celtics, right?  They would not be able to make a direct offer to Grant if they use most of their MLE on Thybulle, is that correct?  This at least assures that the Celtics get something they like for Grant, otherwise they probably end up with Grant on the QO or match if someone else ponies up a MLE offer.  The only team with non-MLE money left is SAS, as I understand it, and I don't see them using that to overpay Grant.

To do all that to get Grant, they must really like his fit with Luka and Kyrie.  Fine, I am sure the Celtics can work out something favorable.

[Celtics2021]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

Great in theory, but isn't the salary used for matching purpose for us whatever Grant's salary was last year? Unless a third team is involved, I don't think we can make those numbers work.

Yes, THJ would be moved to a third team, most likely San Antonio.  The C's aren't taking on a mid-level salary in a Grant sign-and-trade -- they'd just keep Grant.

[Who]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

So the idea might be:

G: K Irving, Seth Curry
G: M Thybulle, J Green
F: L Doncic, OM Prosper
F: G Williams, M Kleber
C: R Holmes, D Lively

Hmm ... not sure what to think of that. That team is closer to being interesting. Not that good but interesting.

I am presuming Thybulle as a starter because I think that starting unit needs some high level quickness & athleticism in it. Josh Green is probably the better player. But I worry about Luke and G Will as slower forwards. I feel they need to up their team speed.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

Great in theory, but isn't the salary used for matching purpose for us whatever Grant's salary was last year? Unless a third team is involved, I don't think we can make those numbers work.

Yes, THJ would be moved to a third team, most likely San Antonio.  The C's aren't taking on a mid-level salary in a Grant sign-and-trade -- they'd just keep Grant.

Collins? Birch? Osman? Branham? Wesley? I think all of those would work. You could make an argument that each of them makes sense going out in a trade like this.

[Vermont Green]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

Great in theory, but isn't the salary used for matching purpose for us whatever Grant's salary was last year? Unless a third team is involved, I don't think we can make those numbers work.

Yes, THJ would be moved to a third team, most likely San Antonio.  The C's aren't taking on a mid-level salary in a Grant sign-and-trade -- they'd just keep Grant.

Collins? Birch? Osman? Branham? Wesley? I think all of those would work. You could make an argument that each of them makes sense going out in a trade like this.

The only trade that I could make work with SAN as the 3rd team was as follows (there are other permutations possible, I am sure):

To BOS:    Powell, Branham
To DAL:    Grant ($12M)
To SAN:    Hardaway, Champagnie (+ pick from Dallas?)

I think the trade machine considering cap holds currently under SAS.  SAS could renounce Langford and clear that up, or sign him.  There may be more options, but the trade machine was very finicky to make something work.

[Celtics2021]

Thybulle is reportedly signing an offer sheet with Dallas.  I would expect Portland to match, unless they come up with a sign-and-trade.

Is it fair to assume this is for the full MLE ($12.4M)?  They can still use that in full, right?  If I was POR, I am not sure I would match.  He is not really a build around Lillard piece and not really a build for the future piece, what would be the point?

Eliminates one of the few remaining options for Grant.

It's going to be a bit less than the full MLE.  And as for Grant, as we discussed in a different thread, the Mavs were also going to look into a sign-and-trade involving a third team for him, so I don't think this changes too much.  They've been trying to move THJ, and signing another wing only makes that more likely.  When he's traded, they'll be able to offer Grant something if they're still interested.

Great in theory, but isn't the salary used for matching purpose for us whatever Grant's salary was last year? Unless a third team is involved, I don't think we can make those numbers work.

Yes, THJ would be moved to a third team, most likely San Antonio.  The C's aren't taking on a mid-level salary in a Grant sign-and-trade -- they'd just keep Grant.

Collins? Birch? Osman? Branham? Wesley? I think all of those would work. You could make an argument that each of them makes sense going out in a trade like this.

The only trade that I could make work with SAN as the 3rd team was as follows (there are other permutations possible, I am sure):

To BOS:    Powell, Branham
To DAL:    Grant ($12M)
To SAN:    Hardaway, Champagnie (+ pick from Dallas?)

I think the trade machine considering cap holds currently under SAS.  SAS could renounce Langford and clear that up, or sign him.  There may be more options, but the trade machine was very finicky to make something work.

Yeah, SAS has enough cap space to absorb Hardaway if they renounce Langford (which they effectively have).  Also, never trust trade machine, because Powell is a free agent who just resigned, but we can't take him in a sign-and-trade because we're over the first apron.

[Vermont Green]

The only trade that I could make work with SAN as the 3rd team was as follows (there are other permutations possible, I am sure):

To BOS:    Powell, Branham
To DAL:    Grant ($12M)
To SAN:    Hardaway, Champagnie (+ pick from Dallas?)

I think the trade machine considering cap holds currently under SAS.  SAS could renounce Langford and clear that up, or sign him.  There may be more options, but the trade machine was very finicky to make something work.

Yeah, SAS has enough cap space to absorb Hardaway if they renounce Langford (which they effectively have).  Also, never trust trade machine, because Powell is a free agent who just resigned, but we can't take him in a sign-and-trade because we're over the first apron.

So the deal could be:

To SAS:    Hardaway + DAL 1st
To DAL:    Grant (at say $15M)
To BOS:    ????  (DAL 1st)

The reporting was that BOS is asking for a 1st.  We would have to get something from DAL or why do this, we could just hold out and either have him on the QO or match a $12M MLE offer if he gets one.

I think this could work for BOS but it seems like a lot for DAL to give up to get Grant.

[Celtics2021]

The only trade that I could make work with SAN as the 3rd team was as follows (there are other permutations possible, I am sure):

To BOS:    Powell, Branham
To DAL:    Grant ($12M)
To SAN:    Hardaway, Champagnie (+ pick from Dallas?)

I think the trade machine considering cap holds currently under SAS.  SAS could renounce Langford and clear that up, or sign him.  There may be more options, but the trade machine was very finicky to make something work.

Yeah, SAS has enough cap space to absorb Hardaway if they renounce Langford (which they effectively have).  Also, never trust trade machine, because Powell is a free agent who just resigned, but we can't take him in a sign-and-trade because we're over the first apron.

So the deal could be:

To SAS:    Hardaway + DAL 1st
To DAL:    Grant (at say $15M)
To BOS:    ?  (DAL 1st)

The reporting was that BOS is asking for a 1st.  We would have to get something from DAL or why do this, we could just hold out and either have him on the QO or match a $12M MLE offer if he gets one.

I think this could work for BOS but it seems like a lot for DAL to give up to get Grant.

I agree it’s a lot for Dallas to give up.  They like their analytics tho, so it’s possible their computers have pegged Grant as an important player to get.  I don’t think THJ costs a first to move however.