Jaylen Brown Supermax

[Roy H.]

It would be the largest contract in NBA history. Potentially 304 million, with 70 million in the final year of the deal. In that sense, I think both sides taking their time with the details all things considered is normal.

Think about that. A guy who isn't even one of the 20 best players in the sport is going to get paid more money than anyone in history.  That is a bad contract.

It is just unreal that he is going to get that contract. He is a good player. But $304 mill? Yeesh...

I am afraid it is going to just saddled the Celtics financially for a long time unless they can move him.

The only thing I can say is it looks bad because he's the first one to get it.

But it's not inconceivable that it won't be top 10 in salaries at some point as other guys become eligible for supermax deals.

Although, I do wonder if there is a point it will stop? I mean will we hit a time where players are making $100million a year? Or will salaries keep rising?

The cost is just going to be passed onto all the NBA fans in the form of Cable and ticket prices. Which already is high.

It's crazy, but as long as the NBA keeps making more money, the size of these contracts will keep going up. With expansion coming soon with 2 more teams, that's a larger market with more potential for profits. If they keep going with plans for international expansion in the long term, this could go on for a while.

Right.  Salaries are tied to the cap, which is based on revenue.

With the new TV contract in 2025 (?), followed by expansion thereafter, revenue will only explode.

[cman88]

its just the new norm of player salaries we are going to have to get used to.

I mean is lamelo ball worth $53million? is van fleet worth $43million?

I do wonder though if the combination of Rising salary cap/Supermax contracts and this new CBA which is the closest thing to a hard cap with the 2nd apron if it is going to squeeze the salaries of mid level and lower level roleplayers.  Teams will still give out the big supermax and max contracts to star players. but they will have to "prioritize" more about what they spend on depth/roleplayers. and if more teams are taking that approach we may see those guys markets not be as large

its already happening in the NFL. if you are an average quarterback you are getting $40+million. meanwhile you have guys making like $100-$400K. teams are prioritizing where to spend their money and in turn its squeezing the markets of lower level guys.

[Roy H.]

If I'm doing math remotely correctly, the salary cap could hit $199 million in four seasons (2027-28). That means somebody hitting the 35% max could make almost $70 million in his first season, with $5.6 million annual raises.  That's what, 5 years, $400 million(ish)?

[Moranis]

It would be the largest contract in NBA history. Potentially 304 million, with 70 million in the final year of the deal. In that sense, I think both sides taking their time with the details all things considered is normal.

Think about that. A guy who isn't even one of the 20 best players in the sport is going to get paid more money than anyone in history.  That is a bad contract.

To pull from the Simpsons, more money than anyone else in history so far.

It’s a chronological oddity rather than anything to do with quality.

I disagree.  A guy who isn't even top 20, should not get that contract, whether he is 1st to get there or not.  It is a bad contract the moment it is signed.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

It would be the largest contract in NBA history. Potentially 304 million, with 70 million in the final year of the deal. In that sense, I think both sides taking their time with the details all things considered is normal.

Think about that. A guy who isn't even one of the 20 best players in the sport is going to get paid more money than anyone in history.  That is a bad contract.

To pull from the Simpsons, more money than anyone else in history so far.

It’s a chronological oddity rather than anything to do with quality.

I disagree.  A guy who isn't even top 20, should not get that contract, whether he is 1st to get there or not.  It is a bad contract the moment it is signed.

The "not top 20" thing is debatable. I don't take that as a given.

Edit: And we also need to define "bad contract." Jaylen Brown is a better player than Bradley Beal, and his ridiculous contract was just traded as positive value.

These "bad contracts" rarely are so bad that they aren't positive adds to the team, and good teams almost always still target these players.

[Vermont Green]

According to NBA insider Marc J. Spears of Andscape, Jayson Tatum is actively recruiting Damian Lillard to join the Boston Celtics. Despite Lillard's expressed desire to be traded to the Miami Heat, Tatum has reached out to the seven-time All-Star.Jul 6, 2023

I am bringing this up again.  I found it strange when it originally came out.  Why would Tatum do this.  In order to bring in Lillard, it means you have to trade one or more teammates, probably Brown.  It isn't like he is a FA.  So if Tatum was "recruiting" Lillard, it essentially means that he was also working to trade Jaylen Brown.

One explanation of course could be that the report is wrong, probably the more likely case.  The other, less likely possibility is that Brown asked to be traded to POR and Tatum was trying to help with that.

[radiohead]

According to NBA insider Marc J. Spears of Andscape, Jayson Tatum is actively recruiting Damian Lillard to join the Boston Celtics. Despite Lillard's expressed desire to be traded to the Miami Heat, Tatum has reached out to the seven-time All-Star.Jul 6, 2023

I am bringing this up again.  I found it strange when it originally came out.  Why would Tatum do this.  In order to bring in Lillard, it means you have to trade one or more teammates, probably Brown.  It isn't like he is a FA.  So if Tatum was "recruiting" Lillard, it essentially means that he was also working to trade Jaylen Brown.

One explanation of course could be that the report is wrong, probably the more likely case.  The other, less likely possibility is that Brown asked to be traded to POR and Tatum was trying to help with that.

Jaylen asking to be traded means he’s throwing away probably the biggest contract in his career. Yes Portland will surely give him an extension, but it would be way below what he could get with the Celtics. It really doesn’t make sense - throwing away supermax money + the potential to win an NBA title to go to Portland? If at all, JT’s intention is probably to form a big 4 with Dame, KP, and JB.

[Vermont Green]

According to NBA insider Marc J. Spears of Andscape, Jayson Tatum is actively recruiting Damian Lillard to join the Boston Celtics. Despite Lillard's expressed desire to be traded to the Miami Heat, Tatum has reached out to the seven-time All-Star.Jul 6, 2023

I am bringing this up again.  I found it strange when it originally came out.  Why would Tatum do this.  In order to bring in Lillard, it means you have to trade one or more teammates, probably Brown.  It isn't like he is a FA.  So if Tatum was "recruiting" Lillard, it essentially means that he was also working to trade Jaylen Brown.

One explanation of course could be that the report is wrong, probably the more likely case.  The other, less likely possibility is that Brown asked to be traded to POR and Tatum was trying to help with that.

Jaylen asking to be traded means he’s throwing away probably the biggest contract in his career. Yes Portland will surely give him an extension, but it would be way below what he could get with the Celtics. It really doesn’t make sense - throwing away supermax money + the potential to win an NBA title to go to Portland? If at all, JT’s intention is probably to form a big 4 with Dame, KP, and JB.

If I recall prior discussions correctly, Brown can sign as a UFA, with the team he is traded to, for about the same money as he would get in this extension.  No other team could offer him that level of contract, but if traded to POR, and he resigns with them, it would be about the same money as I understand it.  The only difference would be that it would be a new contract, not an extension.

[radiohead]

According to NBA insider Marc J. Spears of Andscape, Jayson Tatum is actively recruiting Damian Lillard to join the Boston Celtics. Despite Lillard's expressed desire to be traded to the Miami Heat, Tatum has reached out to the seven-time All-Star.Jul 6, 2023

I am bringing this up again.  I found it strange when it originally came out.  Why would Tatum do this.  In order to bring in Lillard, it means you have to trade one or more teammates, probably Brown.  It isn't like he is a FA.  So if Tatum was "recruiting" Lillard, it essentially means that he was also working to trade Jaylen Brown.

One explanation of course could be that the report is wrong, probably the more likely case.  The other, less likely possibility is that Brown asked to be traded to POR and Tatum was trying to help with that.

Jaylen asking to be traded means he’s throwing away probably the biggest contract in his career. Yes Portland will surely give him an extension, but it would be way below what he could get with the Celtics. It really doesn’t make sense - throwing away supermax money + the potential to win an NBA title to go to Portland? If at all, JT’s intention is probably to form a big 4 with Dame, KP, and JB.

If I recall prior discussions correctly, Brown can sign as a UFA, with the team he is traded to, for about the same money as he would get in this extension.  No other team could offer him that level of contract, but if traded to POR, and he resigns with them, it would be about the same money as I understand it.  The only difference would be that it would be a new contract, not an extension.

I’m not quite sure about that. From what I know, and with JB making all NBA, the Celtics can offer him a lot more than any other team (was it $100M or so if he signed the 5 year supermax?). Yes he can ask to be traded and sign a shorter contract in Portland, but that would really be risky on his part, unless he really hates being in Boston.

[Surferdad]

According to NBA insider Marc J. Spears of Andscape, Jayson Tatum is actively recruiting Damian Lillard to join the Boston Celtics. Despite Lillard's expressed desire to be traded to the Miami Heat, Tatum has reached out to the seven-time All-Star.Jul 6, 2023

I am bringing this up again.  I found it strange when it originally came out.  Why would Tatum do this.  In order to bring in Lillard, it means you have to trade one or more teammates, probably Brown.  It isn't like he is a FA.  So if Tatum was "recruiting" Lillard, it essentially means that he was also working to trade Jaylen Brown.

One explanation of course could be that the report is wrong, probably the more likely case.  The other, less likely possibility is that Brown asked to be traded to POR and Tatum was trying to help with that.

Jaylen asking to be traded means he’s throwing away probably the biggest contract in his career. Yes Portland will surely give him an extension, but it would be way below what he could get with the Celtics. It really doesn’t make sense - throwing away supermax money + the potential to win an NBA title to go to Portland? If at all, JT’s intention is probably to form a big 4 with Dame, KP, and JB.

If I recall prior discussions correctly, Brown can sign as a UFA, with the team he is traded to, for about the same money as he would get in this extension.  No other team could offer him that level of contract, but if traded to POR, and he resigns with them, it would be about the same money as I understand it.  The only difference would be that it would be a new contract, not an extension.

This is not necessarily true. Tatum is a player not the GM. He doesn’t have to be concerned about how to get Lillard here.

[SparzWizard]

Yeah he's not worth north of $300M for a number 2 guy. Someone needs to be fired if that happens and esp when it blows up in its face

[cman88]

Yeah he's not worth north of $300M for a number 2 guy. Someone needs to be fired if that happens and esp when it blows up in its face

What happens when Brown is not even top 10-15 in salaries during his deal once other guys get theirs?

I heard fans say the same thing when brown signed his last extension. And then by the end it looked like a steal.

Not sure how it will blow up in its face. Either we win a championship in the next 3 years or brown is traded or both.

Who cares about Wycs money if we win a championship. And right now out best way to win one is with brown.

[Moranis]

Yeah he's not worth north of $300M for a number 2 guy. Someone needs to be fired if that happens and esp when it blows up in its face

What happens when Brown is not even top 10-15 in salaries during his deal once other guys get theirs?

I heard fans say the same thing when brown signed his last extension. And then by the end it looked like a steal.

Not sure how it will blow up in its face. Either we win a championship in the next 3 years or brown is traded or both.

Who cares about Wycs money if we win a championship. And right now out best way to win one is with brown.

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay. 

[BitterJim]

It would be the largest contract in NBA history. Potentially 304 million, with 70 million in the final year of the deal. In that sense, I think both sides taking their time with the details all things considered is normal.

Think about that. A guy who isn't even one of the 20 best players in the sport is going to get paid more money than anyone in history.  That is a bad contract.

It is just unreal that he is going to get that contract. He is a good player. But $304 mill? Yeesh...

I am afraid it is going to just saddled the Celtics financially for a long time unless they can move him.

The only thing I can say is it looks bad because he's the first one to get it.

But it's not inconceivable that it won't be top 10 in salaries at some point as other guys become eligible for supermax deals.

Although, I do wonder if there is a point it will stop? I mean will we hit a time where players are making $100million a year? Or will salaries keep rising?

The cost is just going to be passed onto all the NBA fans in the form of Cable and ticket prices. Which already is high.

Next year these players will be eligible for huge contracts (bolded are the people I could reasonably see signing for these massive 5 year contracts)
5 years, ~$385 million: Lebron James, Anthony Davis (this would require them making an all-NBA team, otherwise they drop to the next level)
5 years, ~$330 million: Paul George, Kawhi Leonard (making All-NBA could push them up to the level above), Jaylen Brown, Domantas Sabonis (this would require them making all NBA again, if not then they drops down to the next level), Brandon Ingram, Jamal Murray (eligible for this extension next summer if them make an all-NBA team)
5 years, ~$275 million: Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby
5 years, ~$220 million: Anthony Edwards, LaMelo Ball (would jump up a level if they make All-NBA)

Brown could drop down the #5 just from next summer, people need to start getting used to the higher contract amounts.

And to put it into perspective: people are hand wringing a lot about the extra ~$25 million he can get on this extension vs. what he could have gotten from us next summer if he never made All-NBA

(This is all assuming a 10% jump in the salary cap, and basing things off of a 5/$300 million deal for Brown so the numbers are all a bit lower than the real ones)

[Surferdad]

Yeah he's not worth north of $300M for a number 2 guy. Someone needs to be fired if that happens and esp when it blows up in its face

What happens when Brown is not even top 10-15 in salaries during his deal once other guys get theirs?

I heard fans say the same thing when brown signed his last extension. And then by the end it looked like a steal.

Not sure how it will blow up in its face. Either we win a championship in the next 3 years or brown is traded or both.

Who cares about Wycs money if we win a championship. And right now out best way to win one is with brown.

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT