Jaylen Brown Supermax

[Vermont Green]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

[Who]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

[Moranis]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player.  I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

[cltc5]

Time to trade.  Get a nice back up wing and pg and some picks

[Surferdad]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

[Moranis]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

[footey]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

It is debatable if he is top 20.

But list your top 30 ahead of Brown.  Can't  wait to see those names.

[Moranis]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

It is debatable if he is top 20.

But list your top 30 ahead of Brown.  Can't  wait to see those names.

I've done that on here several times and not that long ago.  Not that hard to find.

List your 20.  It is pretty easy to say I'm an idiot without actual support or evidence.  So fo ahead and do it.  Tiers are fine if it is easier.

[tonydelk]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

It is debatable if he is top 20.

But list your top 30 ahead of Brown.  Can't  wait to see those names.

I've done that on here several times and not that long ago.  Not that hard to find.

List your 20.  It is pretty easy to say I'm an idiot without actual support or evidence.  So fo ahead and do it.  Tiers are fine if it is easier.

I don't think these contracts for players of JB's caliber (according to a lot of people) will be as often as you think.  The Tatums of the world will get these not questions asked.  For a guy like Brown he needed to make the ALL NBA team at the exact right moment and year correct?  If Jaylen made the ALL NBA team last year but not this year he would not be able to sign the supermax.  He could sign a normal max contract.  Only 15 players make ALL NBA teams.  Jaylen had a ALL NBA Season.  If he has ALL NBA seasons over the next few years then he's deserving of this contract.  If not he just got lucky when he needed to and this will not happen often for players of JB's Level.  The stars needed to align for this to happen.

[jambr380]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

[Roy H.]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

It is debatable if he is top 20.

But list your top 30 ahead of Brown.  Can't  wait to see those names.

I've done that on here several times and not that long ago.  Not that hard to find.

List your 20.  It is pretty easy to say I'm an idiot without actual support or evidence.  So fo ahead and do it.  Tiers are fine if it is easier.

I don't think these contracts for players of JB's caliber (according to a lot of people) will be as often as you think.  The Tatums of the world will get these not questions asked.  For a guy like Brown he needed to make the ALL NBA team at the exact right moment and year correct?  If Jaylen made the ALL NBA team last year but not this year he would not be able to sign the supermax.  He could sign a normal max contract.  Only 15 players make ALL NBA teams.  Jaylen had a ALL NBA Season.  If he has ALL NBA seasons over the next few years then he's deserving of this contract.  If not he just got lucky when he needed to and this will not happen often for players of JB's Level.  The stars needed to align for this to happen.

Players will continue to get $300 deals because the cap will be going up 10% per year for the foreseeable future.  There are two large revenue boosting events on the horizon:  the new TV contract, and expansion.

We're looking at a $220 million cap in about five years.  Even regular max contracts will be $66 million in the first year.

[Moranis]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

[cman88]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player. I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

Thanks for your opinion. I can easily argue against all the bolded subjective statements. Like Bitter Jim pointed out, this is the new normal for the new CBA and we will many many players of Brown's caliber signing similar contracts.

list your top 20

It is debatable if he is top 20.

But list your top 30 ahead of Brown.  Can't  wait to see those names.

I've done that on here several times and not that long ago.  Not that hard to find.

List your 20.  It is pretty easy to say I'm an idiot without actual support or evidence.  So fo ahead and do it.  Tiers are fine if it is easier.

I don't think these contracts for players of JB's caliber (according to a lot of people) will be as often as you think.  The Tatums of the world will get these not questions asked.  For a guy like Brown he needed to make the ALL NBA team at the exact right moment and year correct?  If Jaylen made the ALL NBA team last year but not this year he would not be able to sign the supermax.  He could sign a normal max contract.  Only 15 players make ALL NBA teams.  Jaylen had a ALL NBA Season.  If he has ALL NBA seasons over the next few years then he's deserving of this contract.  If not he just got lucky when he needed to and this will not happen often for players of JB's Level.  The stars needed to align for this to happen.

Players will continue to get $300 deals because the cap will be going up 10% per year for the foreseeable future.  There are two large revenue boosting events on the horizon:  the new TV contract, and expansion.

We're looking at a $220 million cap in about five years.  Even regular max contracts will be $66 million in the first year.

This is why I don't get why fans are making such a big deal. its a big deal "now" but probably wont even be top 10 in contracts in a couple years. fans are just stuck on the fact it will make Jaylen the highest paid player "right now" but who cares?

our best chance to win in the next 3 years is with Brown/Tatum.

[Roy H.]

I honestly think it's pretty easy to argue that there are 20 players ahead of Brown in the NBA right now. The problem you run into with some of them is age and injury history, which makes keeping Brown a more palatable choice.

I also don't like the idea of supermaxing Brown. I hate it even more if he is requiring incentives like a trade kicker and a player option. Like, who the f- does he think he is demanding that? But we don't really have a choice unless we are going to trade him. And I would right now if we could get a comparable player back (Mitchell, Garland, Siakam), but that doesn't seem to be in the cards.

He will still have a lot of value on a long-term supermax contract. We may not get exactly what we want for him, but we will still be able to get plenty of assets, which means we have to sign him...even if neither side is all that happy about it.

I did a tiered ranking back in May (so I might move someone like Murray up a tier based on the playoffs). This is what I had then () is the total number in that tier + the tiers up.

Argument for best player on planet - Jokic, Giannis (2)
Best argument for top 5 - Curry, Durant, Embiid (5)
Clear top 10 - Tatum, Lillard, Doncic (
Clear top 10 on a good day - Lebron, Davis, Kawhi, Zion (12)
Argument for top 10 - Morant, Booker, Butler, SGA (16)
Argument for top 15 - Mitchell, Harden, George, Young, Beal, Edwards (22)
Nex Tier - Brown, Ingram, J. Murray, Fox, Sabonis, Towns, Bam, Holiday, Siakam, Gobert, LaVine (32)

And that was a list of how good they are currently for the next season, not down the line.  Obviously you'd give Brown a better contract than Harden, but Harden is currently the better player.

And the list doesn't include LaMelo, Kyrie, Haliburton, DeRozan, Klay, Maxey, Garland, Middleton, D. Murray or obviously the rising stars like Cunningham, Banchero, Wemby, Mobley

Redoing it now, I'd move Beal back now a tier as well, as I don't like the move to Phoenix for him.  I'd move LaMelo and Haliburton up and move Gobert back.   Kyrie annoys me, but he should also probably be up a tier.

Yeah, I don't see JB a tier below George, Young, Beal, Edwards, or Harden.  I don't see him two tiers below Butler.  Morant, Zion and Kawhi are too volatile to be counted on at this point.

[green_bballers13]

Brown isn't even a top 20 player in the league though.  If he is paid like the 11th best player, that is an overpay.

No. Jaylen Brown is all-NBA 2nd team so he's in the top-10. FACT

Yeah, people throw out top 20, top 10, but Brown was second team All-NBA.  There are players like Morant who weren't considered for other reasons so this does not mean that Brown is definitively top 10 in the league but to simply declare that "Brown isn't even a top 20 player" does not mean anything.

And whether or not he is top 10 or top 15 or top 25, it really doesn't matter.  Is there really any quantifiable difference if you rank him 9th or 14th or 22nd?  What is the difference in the fair contract value of the 14th player vs. the 22nd?  How many wins difference would it be for the Celtics?  So it is a good contract if Brown is say 14th but an albatross contract (or at least an overpay) if he is 22nd?

It used to be said that an All-Pro player was twice as good as an All-Star player.

So there is a large difference in terms of impact and W-L between a top 10 guy and a top 25 guy. Likewise, there is a similar leap between a top 10 guy and an MVP candidate.

Exactly.  That is why it does in fact matter.  And if anyone actually went through the list, I think almost everyone would have Brown outside the top 20 player.  I don't think that is controversial at all.  In many respects you could argue he isn't even top 30 easier than you could that he is a top 20.  Brown is a fine player, solid all star level player, but he isn't a build around player, he isn't a guy you go all out for, etc.  Him signing the supermax is a bad contract, much like Beal's was in Washington, but at least Beal was the best player on the team and had led a team to the playoffs as the #1. 

All that said, Boston has 2 options - trade him or give him the supermax.  Boston can't risk him hitting free agency next summer.

I stopped reading after this. Just tell us you don't like the guy. That's fine- we have guys we like and don't like. I don't think most agree with you, but they might. Brown is still young and improving every year. He's not the #1 because we have Tatum. I also like Tatum, and am happy that he's on the Celtics.