NBA Off-Season News

[Roy H.]

Sounds like Portland won't immediately flip Brogdon:

We want to have Malcolm come here and be a part of this,” Cronin told reporters in Portland. “He can bring some good on-court intangibles for us and also as a veteran, which is something we’re going to need. We have a very young roster. I want to make sure there’s enough veteran leadership around these guys.”

Kinda feel bad for Brogdon then.  Portland is several years away from reasonably expecting to contend again unless Scoot (and some of their other young guys) greatly exceeds expectations.  Can't imagine he came into this year hoping to babysit. 

Oh well.  C'est la vie.

I don't think he'll finish the season there.  My guess is that his trade value is a bit depressed right now, and they want to let his market develop.

[Celtics2021]

Sounds like Portland won't immediately flip Brogdon:

We want to have Malcolm come here and be a part of this,” Cronin told reporters in Portland. “He can bring some good on-court intangibles for us and also as a veteran, which is something we’re going to need. We have a very young roster. I want to make sure there’s enough veteran leadership around these guys.”

Kinda feel bad for Brogdon then.  Portland is several years away from reasonably expecting to contend again unless Scoot (and some of their other young guys) greatly exceeds expectations.  Can't imagine he came into this year hoping to babysit. 

Oh well.  C'est la vie.

I don't think he'll finish the season there.  My guess is that his trade value is a bit depressed right now, and they want to let his market develop.

Brogdon is plan B for the Clippers, but Morey isn’t moving plan A for the Clippers yet, so I’d bet Brogdon is caught in that.

[Moranis]

Sounds like Portland won't immediately flip Brogdon:

We want to have Malcolm come here and be a part of this,” Cronin told reporters in Portland. “He can bring some good on-court intangibles for us and also as a veteran, which is something we’re going to need. We have a very young roster. I want to make sure there’s enough veteran leadership around these guys.”

Kinda feel bad for Brogdon then.  Portland is several years away from reasonably expecting to contend again unless Scoot (and some of their other young guys) greatly exceeds expectations.  Can't imagine he came into this year hoping to babysit. 

Oh well.  C'est la vie.

I don't think he'll finish the season there.  My guess is that his trade value is a bit depressed right now, and they want to let his market develop.

Yes and a lot more can happen on December 15

[tonydelk]

LOL.  OG pranking Lilliard making him think he was traded to Toronto. 

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1709215879727088050

[Who]

James Harden’s holdout with the Sixers is over, per @wojespn. Harden will report to training camp taking place this week in Fort Collins, Colorado.

Was it really a "hold out"?  What exactly did he hold out of?  It was only a hold out if he didn't show up.  I think Woj is being unfair with his characterization of this.

The whole idea of a hold out in the summer when there are no games or practices is ridiculous. Hold outs do not start until training camp starts.

[liam]

LOL.  OG pranking Lilliard making him think he was traded to Toronto. 

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1709215879727088050

LOL

[Who]

Houston has signed Reggie Bullock.

So what does their team look like now?

G: F VanVleet, (K Porter Jr?), Aaron Holiday
G: Jalen Green, Amen Thompson
F: D Brooks, C Whitmore, R Bullock
F: Jabari Smith Jr, J Tate, Jeff Green
C: A Sengun, J Landale

I am not sure what the plan is with Kevin Porter Jr. I can't remember what he did but he did something off-court and now he is suspended from the team. No idea whether they bring him back or not. Amen Thompson will probably take over as backup PG if they do not bring him back. I like the three guard rotation they would have with Amen, VanVleet and Jalen Green. Amen would probably have to play some more SF if Kevin Porter Jr comes back.

Jeff Green should be able to beat out Tate for backup PF minutes. Tate a good defender but no offense. Bullock vs Whitmore for backup SF minutes. Bullock should win that one also. Whitmore talented but raw and inconsistent. Bullock is dependable. They need some dependable guys next to those other youths (J Green, J Smith, Amen, Sengun) they have.

[Roy H.]

Houston has signed Reggie Bullock.

So what does their team look like now?

G: F VanVleet, (K Porter Jr?), Aaron Holiday
G: Jalen Green, Amen Thompson
F: D Brooks, C Whitmore, R Bullock
F: Jabari Smith Jr, J Tate, Jeff Green
C: A Sengun, J Landale

I am not sure what the plan is with Kevin Porter Jr. I can't remember what he did but he did something off-court and now he is suspended from the team. No idea whether they bring him back or not. Amen Thompson will probably take over as backup PG if they do not bring him back. I like the three guard rotation they would have with Amen, VanVleet and Jalen Green. Amen would probably have to play some more SF if Kevin Porter Jr comes back.

Jeff Green should be able to beat out Tate for backup PF minutes. Tate a good defender but no offense. Bullock vs Whitmore for backup SF minutes. Bullock should win that one also. Whitmore talented but raw and inconsistent. Bullock is dependable. They need some dependable guys next to those other youths (J Green, J Smith, Amen, Sengun) they have.

Porter Jr. is done in Houston, at least for this year.  He beat the hell out of his girlfriend .

[RJ87]

Houston has signed Reggie Bullock.

So what does their team look like now?

G: F VanVleet, (K Porter Jr?), Aaron Holiday
G: Jalen Green, Amen Thompson
F: D Brooks, C Whitmore, R Bullock
F: Jabari Smith Jr, J Tate, Jeff Green
C: A Sengun, J Landale

I am not sure what the plan is with Kevin Porter Jr. I can't remember what he did but he did something off-court and now he is suspended from the team. No idea whether they bring him back or not. Amen Thompson will probably take over as backup PG if they do not bring him back. I like the three guard rotation they would have with Amen, VanVleet and Jalen Green. Amen would probably have to play some more SF if Kevin Porter Jr comes back.

Jeff Green should be able to beat out Tate for backup PF minutes. Tate a good defender but no offense. Bullock vs Whitmore for backup SF minutes. Bullock should win that one also. Whitmore talented but raw and inconsistent. Bullock is dependable. They need some dependable guys next to those other youths (J Green, J Smith, Amen, Sengun) they have.

https://www.nba.com/news/kevin-porter-jr-no-longer-part-of-rockets-domestic-violence-arrest

KPJ is not joining the rockets per their GM. He "allegedly" assaulted his girlfriend and choked her to the point of breaking a vertebrae in her neck.

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
2m
San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of
@CAA_Basketball
 tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

That is crazy!

The guy is not even an average starting SG yet.

Talk about paying for potential.

You continue to harp on like this about Vassell, but I'm not sure you've ever backed it up. He's coming off a 19/4/4 season on 44/39/78 shooting, alongside some really solid defence. What about him is below average, besides his durability?

[Who]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
2m
San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of
@CAA_Basketball
 tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

That is crazy!

The guy is not even an average starting SG yet.

Talk about paying for potential.

You continue to harp on like this about Vassell, but I'm not sure you've ever backed it up. He's coming off a 19/4/4 season on 44/39/78 shooting, alongside some really solid defence. What about him is below average, besides his durability?

You like his defense?

He has always seemed non-descript to me as a defender & rebounder. Doesn't add anything. Doesn't take much off the table either. Just sorta there.

A below average ball-handler and passer. So does not add much to his team outside of his scoring. Meaning his positive contributions are almost entirely related to his scoring.

I am not convinced by his scoring prowess. 18ppg on a bad team where somebody has to score is not that impressive.

He is bad at getting to the basket. He is bad at getting to the FT line. He is gets very few easy baskets or points as a result. This makes him reliant on jump-shooting for his scoring effectiveness / efficiency which makes him more inconsistent / less reliable.

His TS% was 55% compared to the league average of 58.1%. So he is -3.1% relative TS% to the rest of the league. An inefficient scorer overall. So even what he is best at isn't that good or valuable.

He does provide good spacing with high volume three point attempts at 7.0 3PTA per game. About half his shot attempts from three. That is a positive.

Overall, he is just not a guy that moves the line much in terms of Ws and Ls. He is not impactful. He doesn't impact the game outside of scoring. And his scoring is fairly mediocre. It is pumped up / inflated by being on a bad team (in terms of volume). He doesn't create enough hoops for himself to be efficient or reliable. He just isn't much of a player. 

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
2m
San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of
@CAA_Basketball
 tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

That is crazy!

The guy is not even an average starting SG yet.

Talk about paying for potential.

You continue to harp on like this about Vassell, but I'm not sure you've ever backed it up. He's coming off a 19/4/4 season on 44/39/78 shooting, alongside some really solid defence. What about him is below average, besides his durability?

You like his defense?

He has always seemed non-descript to me as a defender & rebounder. Doesn't add anything. Doesn't take much off the table either. Just sorta there.

A below average ball-handler and passer. So does not add much to his team outside of his scoring. Meaning his positive contributions are almost entirely related to his scoring.

I am not convinced by his scoring prowess. 18ppg on a bad team where somebody has to score is not that impressive.

He is bad at getting to the basket. He is bad at getting to the FT line. He is gets very few easy baskets or points as a result. This makes him reliant on jump-shooting for his scoring effectiveness / efficiency which makes him more inconsistent / less reliable.

His TS% was 55% compared to the league average of 58.1%. So he is -3.1% relative TS% to the rest of the league. An inefficient scorer overall. So even what he is best at isn't that good or valuable.

He does provide good spacing with high volume three point attempts at 7.0 3PTA per game. About half his shot attempts from three. That is a positive.

Overall, he is just not a guy that moves the line much in terms of Ws and Ls. He is not impactful. He doesn't impact the game outside of scoring. And his scoring is fairly mediocre. It is pumped up / inflated by being on a bad team (in terms of volume). He doesn't create enough hoops for himself to be efficient or reliable. He just isn't much of a player.

His defence is good, but the team defence is dubious.

Most of your criticism is the same that can be levelled at Mikal Bridges. Vassell's EFG is not much lower than league average (52.5 vs 54.5), indicative of his real weaknesses - interior scoring and foul drawing.

18PPG with solid defence at 23 is pretty fine. Tatum's interior scoring and foul drawing was a similar weakness in his first 3 seasons.

He is a fine passer, not sure why you're going with the below average angle there. Doesn't turn it over, makes decent reads.

How do you value anyone who plays well on a bad team with this lens?

[Who]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
2m
San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of
@CAA_Basketball
 tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

That is crazy!

The guy is not even an average starting SG yet.

Talk about paying for potential.

You continue to harp on like this about Vassell, but I'm not sure you've ever backed it up. He's coming off a 19/4/4 season on 44/39/78 shooting, alongside some really solid defence. What about him is below average, besides his durability?

You like his defense?

He has always seemed non-descript to me as a defender & rebounder. Doesn't add anything. Doesn't take much off the table either. Just sorta there.

A below average ball-handler and passer. So does not add much to his team outside of his scoring. Meaning his positive contributions are almost entirely related to his scoring.

I am not convinced by his scoring prowess. 18ppg on a bad team where somebody has to score is not that impressive.

He is bad at getting to the basket. He is bad at getting to the FT line. He is gets very few easy baskets or points as a result. This makes him reliant on jump-shooting for his scoring effectiveness / efficiency which makes him more inconsistent / less reliable.

His TS% was 55% compared to the league average of 58.1%. So he is -3.1% relative TS% to the rest of the league. An inefficient scorer overall. So even what he is best at isn't that good or valuable.

He does provide good spacing with high volume three point attempts at 7.0 3PTA per game. About half his shot attempts from three. That is a positive.

Overall, he is just not a guy that moves the line much in terms of Ws and Ls. He is not impactful. He doesn't impact the game outside of scoring. And his scoring is fairly mediocre. It is pumped up / inflated by being on a bad team (in terms of volume). He doesn't create enough hoops for himself to be efficient or reliable. He just isn't much of a player.

His defence is good, but the team defence is dubious.

Most of your criticism is the same that can be levelled at Mikal Bridges. Vassell's EFG is not much lower than league average (52.5 vs 54.5), indicative of his real weaknesses - interior scoring and foul drawing.

18PPG with solid defence at 23 is pretty fine. Tatum's interior scoring and foul drawing was a similar weakness in his first 3 seasons.

He is a fine passer, not sure why you're going with the below average angle there. Doesn't turn it over, makes decent reads.

How do you value anyone who plays well on a bad team with this lens?

Quality of defense.
Quality of possession creation.
Quality of handles & passing.
Quality of scoring volume relative to efficiency.

So for D Vassell I measure him as

Quality of defense = mediocre to average
Quality of possession creation = mediocre
Quality of handles & passing = below average
Quality of scoring volume relative to efficiency = average volume, below average efficiency. Below average value of scoring.

[Birdman]

Houston Rockets GM Rafael Stone said that Kevin Porter is no longer a member of the Rockets… I doubt any team will sign him & his future is probably over in NBA

[gouki88]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
·
2m
San Antonio Spurs G Devin Vassell has agreed on a five-year, $146 million contract extension, Andrew Morrison, Rich Beda and Mitch Nathan of
@CAA_Basketball
 tell ESPN. Vassell lands rookie scale extension as part of 2020 Draft class and solidifies himself as a Spurs cornerstone.

That is crazy!

The guy is not even an average starting SG yet.

Talk about paying for potential.

You continue to harp on like this about Vassell, but I'm not sure you've ever backed it up. He's coming off a 19/4/4 season on 44/39/78 shooting, alongside some really solid defence. What about him is below average, besides his durability?

You like his defense?

He has always seemed non-descript to me as a defender & rebounder. Doesn't add anything. Doesn't take much off the table either. Just sorta there.

A below average ball-handler and passer. So does not add much to his team outside of his scoring. Meaning his positive contributions are almost entirely related to his scoring.

I am not convinced by his scoring prowess. 18ppg on a bad team where somebody has to score is not that impressive.

He is bad at getting to the basket. He is bad at getting to the FT line. He is gets very few easy baskets or points as a result. This makes him reliant on jump-shooting for his scoring effectiveness / efficiency which makes him more inconsistent / less reliable.

His TS% was 55% compared to the league average of 58.1%. So he is -3.1% relative TS% to the rest of the league. An inefficient scorer overall. So even what he is best at isn't that good or valuable.

He does provide good spacing with high volume three point attempts at 7.0 3PTA per game. About half his shot attempts from three. That is a positive.

Overall, he is just not a guy that moves the line much in terms of Ws and Ls. He is not impactful. He doesn't impact the game outside of scoring. And his scoring is fairly mediocre. It is pumped up / inflated by being on a bad team (in terms of volume). He doesn't create enough hoops for himself to be efficient or reliable. He just isn't much of a player.

His defence is good, but the team defence is dubious.

Most of your criticism is the same that can be levelled at Mikal Bridges. Vassell's EFG is not much lower than league average (52.5 vs 54.5), indicative of his real weaknesses - interior scoring and foul drawing.

18PPG with solid defence at 23 is pretty fine. Tatum's interior scoring and foul drawing was a similar weakness in his first 3 seasons.

He is a fine passer, not sure why you're going with the below average angle there. Doesn't turn it over, makes decent reads.

How do you value anyone who plays well on a bad team with this lens?

Quality of defense.
Quality of possession creation.
Quality of handles & passing.
Quality of scoring volume relative to efficiency.

So for D Vassell I measure him as

Quality of defense = mediocre to average
Quality of possession creation = mediocre
Quality of handles & passing = below average
Quality of scoring volume relative to efficiency = average volume, below average efficiency. Below average value of scoring.

Those are some incredibly broad & vague categories.