Fire Joe! ... or critique Joe ... or defend Joe... or worry about Joe's coaching

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Isn't that the second time in this playoff run that they passed on a timeout late? What an incredible waste of talent to have a coach doing on the job training while trying to win a championship. Stevens deserves a huge part of the blame for this. If they don't win in this year, BS needs to be the first one out the door.

i could not agree more. brad hired this clown. run him off as well and find a gm to go with a real coach. this is an outrage.  he completely messed the bed with this hire.

[celticinorlando]

I put blame also on Brad. There was plenty of time to bring in a vet coach to help Joe. Vogel. Hell Quinn Snyder was not doing anything until the Hawks came calling. So the fact they don't have enough coaches and positions were never replaced is baffling.

The fact Brad did not think to say hey...we are bringing in someone with some experience you can lean on is just maddening.

From Brad, to Joe to the players...they just make dumb decisions.

[jpotter33]

Here’s some empirical evidence for Joe on how awful his strategy has been with this group: https://twitter.com/chrisforsberg_/status/1655631420260245520?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Celtics trailing by 3 or less, in final 30 seconds of 4th Q or OT, of regular season games (per PBP stats) …

Coming out of timeout:

17 POSS
23 PTS
5-9 FG
4-9 3PT
1 turnover

Plays not following timeouts:

11 POSS
8 PTS
2-6 FG
0-2 3PT
4 turnovers

For a supposed analytics guy, he’s clearly not following what the data suggests is needed. There’s just simply no justification for this no-timeout strategy with this group, as it hasn’t worked all year long. Yet Joe just continues to make the same mistake over and over and over again. Inexcusable for a professional head coach.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Joe Mazzulla: "Hindsight is 20/20, I should have called (a timeout at end of OT) to help us get a 2-for-1 or get a couple more possessions. Obviously, 14 seconds left, down 1, you want as many chances as you can. So, definitely learn from that."

fire this bum now and let brad finish out the season. what a joke. learning on the job costing us games. bravo. genius.

Or worse, not learning on the job.

you got that right 

[Mahk E Mahk]

The no time out philosophy can’t be 100% of the time.  That was such a backbreaker of a shot by Harden.  Call the [dang] timeout.

His ATO plays have been bad  and you'd be ripping him when that failed.    I think we should have ran a play as our offense was stagnant but a PG can call that as well.

a TO in that situation is so much more than drawing up an ATO. time management discussion, personnel adjustments, advancing the ball to mid-court, strategy discussions regarding what to do if they make or miss the shot with time remaining, etc.

excusing joe for not calling a TO because he sucks at drawing up ATOs is not the quality defense of his coaching you might think.

even magic criticized joe for not calling the TO.

[celticinorlando]

Joe is a player's coach. I do not think he holds them accountable or gets into them when they need to be like Ime did. Brown should have been hammered for his dumb play helping off Harden.

This franchise suspended Ime over some stuff the NBA didn't seem to have issues with. It threw ownership into a panic and caught them by surprise.

So they name Joe interim. Fine. But you never replace an assistant spot with anyone let alone someone with experience. That is just a huge mistake.

This team has million dollar talent with 10 cent basketball IQ. From the coach to the players.

[blink]

Here’s some empirical evidence for Joe on how awful his strategy has been with this group: https://twitter.com/chrisforsberg_/status/1655631420260245520?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Celtics trailing by 3 or less, in final 30 seconds of 4th Q or OT, of regular season games (per PBP stats) …

Coming out of timeout:

17 POSS
23 PTS
5-9 FG
4-9 3PT
1 turnover

Plays not following timeouts:

11 POSS
8 PTS
2-6 FG
0-2 3PT
4 turnovers

For a supposed analytics guy, he’s clearly not following what the data suggests is needed. There’s just simply no justification for this no-timeout strategy with this group, as it hasn’t worked all year long. Yet Joe just continues to make the same mistake over and over and over again. Inexcusable for a professional head coach.

oh man...especially the turnovers.  That seems to point to....call the freaking timeout Joe. 

I am not as hot about it as I was yesterday.  But we need to give our players the best chance to win.  They fought back really well after being down 16.  So disappointing not finishing that game with a W.

[Dchuck]

Collectively, we have the most talent and depth in the playoffs.  We're versatile and playoff tested.  However, there's a reason there are coaches, regardless of the talent.  Coaches are supposed to put them in the best position to win.  Keep them focused, guide them, hold them accountable, be a calming presence with direction in crunch time. 

Unfortunately, as experienced and talented as this team is, they are still undisciplined in fundamentals and effort which as professionals at this stage of the game, they shouldn't be.  But that's where a leader/coach holds them accountable.  I just haven't seen that all year.

To make matters worse, he has an arrogance about him that is condescending.  Like his quote the other day..."any questions about adjustments"...as if he's this basketball savant with multiple rings.  They better wake up quick or else this team will be remembered as a "woulda, shoulda, coulda" team.

[aefgogreen]

Collectively, we have the most talent and depth in the playoffs.  We're versatile and playoff tested.  However, there's a reason there are coaches, regardless of the talent.  Coaches are supposed to put them in the best position to win.  Keep them focused, guide them, hold them accountable, be a calming presence with direction in crunch time. 

Unfortunately, as experienced and talented as this team is, they are still undisciplined in fundamentals and effort which as professionals at this stage of the game, they shouldn't be.  But that's where a leader/coach holds them accountable.  I just haven't seen that all year.

To make matters worse, he has an arrogance about him that is condescending.  Like his quote the other day..."any questions about adjustments"...as if he's this basketball savant with multiple rings.  They better wake up quick or else this team will be remembered as a "woulda, shoulda, coulda" team.

I thought the adjustments remark was funny.  It's a coach getting frustrated hearing the same thing over and over and giving the press a little snark about it.  Happens all the time.

[Who]

Timeouts also give your opponent time to setup their defense. To tell their players which plays BOS is most likely to run here. What to look out for. What to prepare for. How to stop it.

Timeouts do not always create the advantage for the offensive team. Sometimes they work against the offensive team and in favour of the defensive team.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Collectively, we have the most talent and depth in the playoffs.  We're versatile and playoff tested.  However, there's a reason there are coaches, regardless of the talent.  Coaches are supposed to put them in the best position to win.  Keep them focused, guide them, hold them accountable, be a calming presence with direction in crunch time. 

Unfortunately, as experienced and talented as this team is, they are still undisciplined in fundamentals and effort which as professionals at this stage of the game, they shouldn't be.  But that's where a leader/coach holds them accountable.  I just haven't seen that all year.

To make matters worse, he has an arrogance about him that is condescending.  Like his quote the other day..."any questions about adjustments"...as if he's this basketball savant with multiple rings.  They better wake up quick or else this team will be remembered as a "woulda, shoulda, coulda" team.

ahhhhhhhhhhh yes the classic JIM MORA

woulda coulda shoulda rant

[Kuberski33]

I missed the game yesterday but was able to catch the OT in the car. Interesting that Grande and especially Max had nothing to say about Joe. Didn't realize there was all the controversy about Joe until I got home and went online.

[SparzWizard]

Timeouts also give your opponent time to setup their defense. To tell their players which plays BOS is most likely to run here. What to look out for. What to prepare for. How to stop it.

Timeouts do not always create the advantage for the offensive team. Sometimes they work against the offensive team and in favour of the defensive team.

It also gives the offensive team to draw up an ATO and and advance the ball to the frontcourt rather than starting from the backcourt. Can't believe they wasted precious seconds just moving the ball down the court, which cost them the game-winner. But that's just one of the many problems with Joe.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Earlier this season Joe DID call a timeout and set up a terrific play against Philly---The last second 3 point play by Tatum from Smart.

I mean What the hell Joe, you don't remember this?

[CelticsWhat35]

Timeouts also give your opponent time to setup their defense. To tell their players which plays BOS is most likely to run here. What to look out for. What to prepare for. How to stop it.

Timeouts do not always create the advantage for the offensive team. Sometimes they work against the offensive team and in favour of the defensive team.

It also gives the offensive team to draw up an ATO and and advance the ball to the frontcourt rather than starting from the backcourt. Can't believe they wasted precious seconds just moving the ball down the court, which cost them the game-winner. But that's just one of the many problems with Joe.

If there’s a fault of Joe on that last possession, it’s not that he didn’t call a time out.  It’s that he didn’t properly explain the situation to the players and what would need to be done if they were down.  If the ball was going to Tatum, it should’ve been inbound to him and he bring the ball up, with Maxey’ guy setting a pick.  19 seconds is plenty of time.  The problem was that both Smart and Tatum had the mindset of taking a shot at the buzzer