NBA Playoffs 2023

[tazzmaniac]

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

But they're complaining that the push off on Maxey where Tatum nailed that 3 was a blatant offensive foul that was never called and were furious

It was a blatant offensive foul that wasn't called even though the ref was standing right there. 

[Celtics2021]

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

But they're complaining that the push off on Maxey where Tatum nailed that 3 was a blatant offensive foul that was never called and were furious

It was a blatant offensive foul that wasn't called even though the ref was standing right there.

https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1653209926775488512?s=20

[Vermont Green]

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

But they're complaining that the push off on Maxey where Tatum nailed that 3 was a blatant offensive foul that was never called and were furious

It was a blatant offensive foul that wasn't called even though the ref was standing right there.

https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1653209926775488512?s=20

So Tatum got a little star treatment too.  Harden pushes off a lot.  He is very crafty (and strong) and can disguise it well.  Tatum has not mastered it quite to the same level yet.

[LilRip]

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

I thought sixers got away with a lot in the first half, playing defense with their hands instead of their feet. That’s outright BS. Not to say C’s were fouled every time but Tatum and JB both deserved at least a pair each.

[Donoghus]

FWIW.

Mat Ishbia

@Mishbia15
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1h
Great win for the Suns last night in an amazing series so far!
That should be and is the only story. Suspending or fining anyone over last nights incident would not be right. I have alot of respect for Jokic and don’t want to see anything like that. Excited for game 5! Go Suns!

[Who]

I was watching an interview yesterday evening with Jrue Holiday on the point forward podcast by Iggy and E Turner. They were pointing out that they went just as far (ECSF Gm 7 vs BOS in 2011) as Embiid and the Process have gone (ECSFs with a Gm 7).

That Philly put themselves through all that losing, collected all those high draft picks, got Embiid, B Simmons, J Butler, now J Harden, and they still have done no better than the Iggy & Jrue 76ers who also went to the ECSF Gm 7.

A team was considered not good enough and was broken up - they remind us. And they went just as far as this 76ers group have done.

That is about 11 years of the Process. The losing seasons, the talent accumulation and the failed playoff runs .... and they still haven't surpassed the team that wasn't good enough and needed to be broken up. They still top out as ECSF Gm 7.

[SparzWizard]

FWIW.

Mat Ishbia

@Mishbia15
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1h
Great win for the Suns last night in an amazing series so far!
That should be and is the only story. Suspending or fining anyone over last nights incident would not be right. I have alot of respect for Jokic and don’t want to see anything like that. Excited for game 5! Go Suns!

Did Jokic and his brothers sent him a mail last night that caused the Suns owner to respond this way? 

If you were an opposing team's personnel and you got tangled up with the opponent, I'd have them review it and go for some suspensions esp in a playoff game. Gotta get all the advantages you can right?!

[#1P4P]

I was watching an interview yesterday evening with Jrue Holiday on the point forward podcast by Iggy and E Turner. They were pointing out that they went just as far (ECSF Gm 7 vs BOS in 2011) as Embiid and the Process have gone (ECSFs with a Gm 7).

That Philly put themselves through all that losing, collected all those high draft picks, got Embiid, B Simmons, J Butler, now J Harden, and they still have done no better than the Iggy & Jrue 76ers who also went to the ECSF Gm 7.

A team was considered not good enough and was broken up - they remind us. And they went just as far as this 76ers group have done.

That is about 11 years of the Process. The losing seasons, the talent accumulation and the failed playoff runs .... and they still haven't surpassed the team that wasn't good enough and needed to be broken up. They still top out as ECSF Gm 7.

It takes a elite talent, on the court and/or in the front office, to encourage a losing culture for several seasons then try to change it into a winning culture.

The “Process” is an example of great assets/draft position without elite scouting, coaching, player development, and general management. They are surrounded by better and younger teams that didn’t tank like Boston, Miami, and New York.

I didn’t think too highly of the Igoudala-Holiday Sixers teams; they were missing an elite player, but they had great teamwork and could’ve achieved more success building on that foundation than the destructive “process” they chose.

[Neurotic Guy]

This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.

None of US would do it, right?  You’re not a corrupt manipulator in your work are you?   If your boss asked you to cheat your customers, would you?  Would you do it and keep the secret forever?  But apparently everyone is in on Silver’s corruption. And was in on Stern’s too. There has never been an honest ref, past or present. All somehow are secretly indoctrinated and sworn to corrupt behavior and lifelong secrecy. Except Donaughy all remain uncaught and silent. And all the players and coaches who are manipulated remain blind or silent. All the owners and front office people remain blind or silent.  All the members of the media remain blind or silent. Vegas remains blind or silent too - all those easily manipulated folks who make betting lines just go along with it - not working known corruption into their lines.

For what it’s worth, until I have actual evidence that a person is corrupt I naively make the opposite assumption - that they are generally honest. Imperfect (as humans are) but honest.  Too honest in fact to fix games in the NBA. Not saying it’s never happened, but I am saying I doubt it happens as a matter of course. Silver doesn’t make a call or wink his eye or send a bat signal. Players play to win, coaches coach to win, and refs make their foibles based on human error (or possibly influenced by  individual biases and emotions) - not on a choreographed and conspiratorial outcome.

Do you still believe in Lance Armstrong? Or his US Postal team where everybody was obligated to take dope?
Or do you have more faith in his competitors like Ullrich, Pantani, Zülle, Dufaux, Virenque, Hamilton, Klöden, Contador, Vinokourov, Basso, Landis, Mancebo, brothers Schleck etc.?

Oh, by the way dope was well known beforehand. Look at the Tour de France in 1998 where multiple teams, riders, doctors, teamleaders were suspended and taken into police arrest.

Despite that Armstrong was able to win 7 times in a row from 1999-2005 fully doped (as his competitors) and was caught almost 7 years later. And all these riders were controlled regularly by official anti-dope-organizations. Journalists were regarded as outcasts when they questioned anything about Armstrong or even threatened.
 
That almost sounds like a conspiracy doesn't it. Only difference is that now it has been proven to be all true.

It's certainly possible that all referees have instructions to corrupt games in the NBA and that they agree to cooperate to keep their job. A bit unfair to ask a random poster to come up with actual concrete evidence.

Of course I believe Lance doped. The evidence was strong and corroborated.  From there I don’t presume everything else is corrupt simply because someone begins a sentence with “isn’t it interesting that…”.

Show me something more about Adam Silver’s mass corruption than questionable calls that virtually all fans believe favor their opposition.

And no, not unfair at all to ask for evidence when corruption is accused. 

[Phantom255x]

Foster in the Warriors game tonight. That series will be 2-2

[Birdman]

Please don’t let Lakers win the title!!!! I got a gut feeling they will..they made some great moves at the deadline

[gouki88]

FWIW.

Mat Ishbia

@Mishbia15
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1h
Great win for the Suns last night in an amazing series so far!
That should be and is the only story. Suspending or fining anyone over last nights incident would not be right. I have alot of respect for Jokic and don’t want to see anything like that. Excited for game 5! Go Suns!

He should be suspended and fined. Clown

[jpotter33]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Jokic. The letter of the law is clear in this instance if I remember right - any contact with a fan like this is a suspension, and Jokic clearly elbowed him, even if Ishbia embellished it. Just like contact with the ref, and just like the Murray situation in the previous series.

That said, I highly doubt they suspend him. There’s a difference between suspending Murray and suspending Jokic. I’m sure they’ll find some loophole to justify this differential treatment.

Not sure how I feel about it either. Would hate to see Jokic’s suspension affect this series, but also don’t want to see unequal application of the rules based on one’s star status.

[GetLucky]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Jokic. The letter of the law is clear in this instance if I remember right - any contact with a fan like this is a suspension, and Jokic clearly elbowed him, even if Ishbia embellished it. Just like contact with the ref, and just like the Murray situation in the previous series.

That said, I highly doubt they suspend him. There’s a difference between suspending Murray and suspending Jokic. I’m sure they’ll find some loophole to justify this differential treatment.

Not sure how I feel about it either. Would hate to see Jokic’s suspension affect this series, but also don’t want to see unequal application of the rules based on one’s star status.

I think Jokic should be fined and that's it. My initial reaction is that Ishbia was being intentionally inflammatory towards Jokic and embellished the contact. I think his competitive spirit kicked in from his college playing days, but he later realized it was unseemly and decided to tweet that he wishes for no suspension.

If any other fan did what Ishbia did, they likely would have been kicked out of the arena (and sued the team, but that's secondary imo).

[Celtics2021]

Going to be interesting to see what happens with Jokic. The letter of the law is clear in this instance if I remember right - any contact with a fan like this is a suspension, and Jokic clearly elbowed him, even if Ishbia embellished it. Just like contact with the ref, and just like the Murray situation in the previous series.

That said, I highly doubt they suspend him. There’s a difference between suspending Murray and suspending Jokic. I’m sure they’ll find some loophole to justify this differential treatment.

Not sure how I feel about it either. Would hate to see Jokic’s suspension affect this series, but also don’t want to see unequal application of the rules based on one’s star status.

You also can’t have owners baiting players into suspensions.  Ishbia did not comport himself well by refusing to return the ball to a player or official, nor pretending he was still a basketball player by flopping after the mild contact.