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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1845 on: May 07, 2023, 10:35:32 PM »

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This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1846 on: May 08, 2023, 03:58:52 AM »

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We need a legit big man..every team left has one - Jokic (Denver) Davis (Lakers) Ayton (Suns) Bam (Miami) Embidd (Philly)…Al is a PF..TimeLord is defense only & injured most of the time..We don’t have an inside game & does affect us…been saying this for years
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1847 on: May 08, 2023, 06:58:32 AM »

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This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.

None of US would do it, right?  You’re not a corrupt manipulator in your work are you?   If your boss asked you to cheat your customers, would you?  Would you do it and keep the secret forever?  But apparently everyone is in on Silver’s corruption. And was in on Stern’s too. There has never been an honest ref, past or present. All somehow are secretly indoctrinated and sworn to corrupt behavior and lifelong secrecy. Except Donaughy all remain uncaught and silent. And all the players and coaches who are manipulated remain blind or silent. All the owners and front office people remain blind or silent.  All the members of the media remain blind or silent. Vegas remains blind or silent too - all those easily manipulated folks who make betting lines just go along with it - not working known corruption into their lines.

For what it’s worth, until I have actual evidence that a person is corrupt I naively make the opposite assumption - that they are generally honest. Imperfect (as humans are) but honest.  Too honest in fact to fix games in the NBA. Not saying it’s never happened, but I am saying I doubt it happens as a matter of course. Silver doesn’t make a call or wink his eye or send a bat signal. Players play to win, coaches coach to win, and refs make their foibles based on human error (or possibly influenced by  individual biases and emotions) - not on a choreographed and conspiratorial outcome.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1848 on: May 08, 2023, 07:08:45 AM »

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We need a legit big man..every team left has one - Jokic (Denver) Davis (Lakers) Ayton (Suns) Bam (Miami) Embidd (Philly)…Al is a PF..TimeLord is defense only & injured most of the time..We don’t have an inside game & does affect us…been saying this for years
Ayton and Bam are not legit big men. Bam is in the Al mould, and Ayton is weak
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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1849 on: May 08, 2023, 07:53:46 AM »

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This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.

None of US would do it, right?  You’re not a corrupt manipulator in your work are you?   If your boss asked you to cheat your customers, would you?  Would you do it and keep the secret forever?  But apparently everyone is in on Silver’s corruption. And was in on Stern’s too. There has never been an honest ref, past or present. All somehow are secretly indoctrinated and sworn to corrupt behavior and lifelong secrecy. Except Donaughy all remain uncaught and silent. And all the players and coaches who are manipulated remain blind or silent. All the owners and front office people remain blind or silent.  All the members of the media remain blind or silent. Vegas remains blind or silent too - all those easily manipulated folks who make betting lines just go along with it - not working known corruption into their lines.

For what it’s worth, until I have actual evidence that a person is corrupt I naively make the opposite assumption - that they are generally honest. Imperfect (as humans are) but honest.  Too honest in fact to fix games in the NBA. Not saying it’s never happened, but I am saying I doubt it happens as a matter of course. Silver doesn’t make a call or wink his eye or send a bat signal. Players play to win, coaches coach to win, and refs make their foibles based on human error (or possibly influenced by  individual biases and emotions) - not on a choreographed and conspiratorial outcome.

Do you still believe in Lance Armstrong? Or his US Postal team where everybody was obligated to take dope?
Or do you have more faith in his competitors like Ullrich, Pantani, Zülle, Dufaux, Virenque, Hamilton, Klöden, Contador, Vinokourov, Basso, Landis, Mancebo, brothers Schleck etc.?

Oh, by the way dope was well known beforehand. Look at the Tour de France in 1998 where multiple teams, riders, doctors, teamleaders were suspended and taken into police arrest.

Despite that Armstrong was able to win 7 times in a row from 1999-2005 fully doped (as his competitors) and was caught almost 7 years later. And all these riders were controlled regularly by official anti-dope-organizations. Journalists were regarded as outcasts when they questioned anything about Armstrong or even threatened.
 
That almost sounds like a conspiracy doesn't it. Only difference is that now it has been proven to be all true.

It's certainly possible that all referees have instructions to corrupt games in the NBA and that they agree to cooperate to keep their job. A bit unfair to ask a random poster to come up with actual concrete evidence.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1850 on: May 08, 2023, 07:57:08 AM »

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It's just obvious watching the games that there is an agenda to make the series go longer.

I mean take the sixers series. If brown doesn't pick up two quick fouls in the first. Does Harden get it going? Does brown keep it going?

NBA may not rig games but they definitely let the refs know how they want to call it and skew it in one teams favor.

Don't be surprised if Golden state gets the calls tonight and wins in LA.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1851 on: May 08, 2023, 08:14:25 AM »

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This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.

None of US would do it, right?  You’re not a corrupt manipulator in your work are you?   If your boss asked you to cheat your customers, would you?  Would you do it and keep the secret forever?  But apparently everyone is in on Silver’s corruption. And was in on Stern’s too. There has never been an honest ref, past or present. All somehow are secretly indoctrinated and sworn to corrupt behavior and lifelong secrecy. Except Donaughy all remain uncaught and silent. And all the players and coaches who are manipulated remain blind or silent. All the owners and front office people remain blind or silent.  All the members of the media remain blind or silent. Vegas remains blind or silent too - all those easily manipulated folks who make betting lines just go along with it - not working known corruption into their lines.

For what it’s worth, until I have actual evidence that a person is corrupt I naively make the opposite assumption - that they are generally honest. Imperfect (as humans are) but honest.  Too honest in fact to fix games in the NBA. Not saying it’s never happened, but I am saying I doubt it happens as a matter of course. Silver doesn’t make a call or wink his eye or send a bat signal. Players play to win, coaches coach to win, and refs make their foibles based on human error (or possibly influenced by  individual biases and emotions) - not on a choreographed and conspiratorial outcome.

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

1 of 2 things explain this:

They're incompetent.
They're taught to let stars get away with things.

In either case, it is up to silver to correct this. He doesn't and you have to ask yourself why that is.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1852 on: May 08, 2023, 08:35:32 AM »

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This series gonna be 2-2 as well. This could go 7 as could ours

Silver made the call to generate more revenue.

He'll want to ensure Warriors and Knicks win tomorrow

silver is a corrupt clown sellout to you know who.

None of US would do it, right?  You’re not a corrupt manipulator in your work are you?   If your boss asked you to cheat your customers, would you?  Would you do it and keep the secret forever?  But apparently everyone is in on Silver’s corruption. And was in on Stern’s too. There has never been an honest ref, past or present. All somehow are secretly indoctrinated and sworn to corrupt behavior and lifelong secrecy. Except Donaughy all remain uncaught and silent. And all the players and coaches who are manipulated remain blind or silent. All the owners and front office people remain blind or silent.  All the members of the media remain blind or silent. Vegas remains blind or silent too - all those easily manipulated folks who make betting lines just go along with it - not working known corruption into their lines.

For what it’s worth, until I have actual evidence that a person is corrupt I naively make the opposite assumption - that they are generally honest. Imperfect (as humans are) but honest.  Too honest in fact to fix games in the NBA. Not saying it’s never happened, but I am saying I doubt it happens as a matter of course. Silver doesn’t make a call or wink his eye or send a bat signal. Players play to win, coaches coach to win, and refs make their foibles based on human error (or possibly influenced by  individual biases and emotions) - not on a choreographed and conspiratorial outcome.

Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

1 of 2 things explain this:

They're incompetent.
They're taught to let stars get away with things.

In either case, it is up to silver to correct this. He doesn't and you have to ask yourself why that is.

I have been watching NBA basketball for a long time and the stars have always gotten the calls.  And big clumsy white guys get fouls called on them whenever they even get close to someone (what I call the big gooney white guy bias).  It drives me nuts and seems like something that could be fixed but I don't think it is a symptom or proof of a wider conspiracy where the league is pulling strings to make sure certain teams win.

Close games in basketball often become very sensitive to a few critical calls.  The optics around those calls get magnified.  It always seems like those calls go against your team.  Replay was supposed to fix that for the end of game critical calls but the reality is that even in super slow motion from 20 angles, these calls are really close and are tough.

I love the game of basketball but this is a problem with the sport.  It is really dependent on referee calls.  I know many get worked up over the league deploying officials is a way to get preferred outcomes.  I don't buy into it.  I have seen enough bad calls go every which way.  I have no doubt that star bias and big gooney white guy bias are real (and probably some others) but I don't buy into the broader conspiracy theory.

Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1853 on: May 08, 2023, 09:35:35 AM »

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Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.


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« Reply #1854 on: May 08, 2023, 10:48:13 AM »

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Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

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« Reply #1855 on: May 08, 2023, 10:51:07 AM »

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Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

But they're complaining that the push off on Maxey where Tatum nailed that 3 was a blatant offensive foul that was never called and were furious


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« Reply #1856 on: May 08, 2023, 10:57:48 AM »

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Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

We see some players not get the benefit of the doubt due to them complaining too much. Refs can decide to swallow the whistle when it comes to Embiid and Harden. There are a lot of players who flop, but they don't get away with it as much as those two frauds. How is it the league can instruct refs to watch out for certain things but they just can't solve how to train their refs to spot actors? I can only think it's because they want it this way.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

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« Reply #1857 on: May 08, 2023, 10:59:19 AM »

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Do you think it's honest mistakes by the refs to get fooled by Harden and Embiid's flops time after time?

I think flopping is a different thing.  I think the refs do get fooled by it a lot of times, and guys are being taught from a young age to exaggerate contact.  We've got one of the biggest floppers in the NBA on our team in Marcus.

What bothers me are the flailing that draws calls more often and not, and especially how Embiid is allowed follow-through contact on some of his blocks.  If you hit the ball, but the follow through rakes down JB's face, that's not a clean block.

problem is consistency. Harden/Embiid were getting touch fouls all game.

Meanwhile Tatum/Brown couldnt buy a call in the first half. I doubt they never got fouled as they drove to the hoop.

But they're complaining that the push off on Maxey where Tatum nailed that 3 was a blatant offensive foul that was never called and were furious

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Re: NBA Playoffs 2023
« Reply #1858 on: May 08, 2023, 11:07:16 AM »

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Donaghy explained how the league does it. They send videos of "violations to look for" before games. Videos which inevitably show one team fouling more than another. Maybe Brown fighting too aggressively to get around a screen, for instance. Then, shockingly, he gets a couple quick whistles in the first quarter.

This is the old mafia technique. Keep things vague enough to have plausible deniability, while still getting the message across.

And I'm sorry. The fact that Stern promoted Foster after the Donaghy scandal and tried to hire the FBI investigator tells me all I need to know about the integrity of the league.

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« Reply #1859 on: May 08, 2023, 11:11:29 AM »

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I also think a lot of the crooked stuff happens early in games rather than late. There is so much more scrutiny on the 4th quarter that people forget about the first three.

Just look at game 3 of the 2010 Finals. The C's came out on fire and the refs got our whole team in foul trouble and killed our momentum. KG and PP with 5 fouls, Rondo with 4. The worst of it happened in the first half. THAT was the game that turned the series.