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Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2023, 04:02:42 PM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2023, 04:04:15 PM »

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I was a bit concerned how this team just dismissed the Nets loss last night. Like it wasn't a big deal.

Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2023, 04:10:51 PM »

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I think Joe has switched into playoff mode too soon. There's the playoffs and then there's the regular season and they have to be treated differently.

They had a pretty good thing going with various bench players getting regular minutes - and stepping up when needed due to injuries etc.  But Joe has gone away from that recently.

The philosophy has changed from playing 9 consistently to playing 7 and fill in where needed. When you do that, the reserves can lose their consistency because they're not getting regular minutes - and then on nights when your key guys pull a no-show...or quit playing because they think the game is over in the first half...we get last night.


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« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2023, 05:03:47 PM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?
Would like to see how you came to this conclusion
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2023, 07:30:05 PM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?
Would like to see how you came to this conclusion

Coach Bud? More experience. Also he won a ring.

You think Mazz is better than Bud? Not sure how many agree with this.

Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2023, 08:46:25 PM »

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Last night’s loss was the most embarrassing loss of the season and I’m hoping it’s a wake up call to refocus on the task at hand.

As I said in the game thread, the blueprint is out and even average NBA teams can exploit it. The resilience and keep our foot on their neck attitude from last season seems to be missing.

With all that said, we’re 7-3 in our last 10, the Bucks had to go on an improbable 15 game win streak to make up the ground, and there are still 18-20 games left in the season. Teams that have great starts, can go through a lull and we’re not immune to that and have more than enough time to regain our footing. The Bucks might be piquing too early to. A lot of things to like about this despite how it looks right now.

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« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2023, 09:10:43 PM »

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The team went up big and then just mentally left the building. They upped their intensity with 5 minutes to go and down double digits but it was too late. Just not enough time.

I’m confident in the team but it looks like they’re bored of the regular season. I still think JT needs to be sat out a few games despite what he says. If not a physical break, then a mental one.
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« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2023, 09:37:32 PM »

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The team went up big and then just mentally left the building. They upped their intensity with 5 minutes to go and down double digits but it was too late. Just not enough time.

I’m confident in the team but it looks like they’re bored of the regular season. I still think JT needs to be sat out a few games despite what he says. If not a physical break, then a mental one.

Wasn’t the break the 8 days or so around the ASG?


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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2023, 10:04:39 PM »

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Probably not a popular opinion. But another thing that kinda bothers me is that this team sometimes carries on and acts like they've won a championship, when they haven't. Yes, they certainly have come close a few times, but they haven't officially won one yet.

Even after the 2018 ECF Game 7 loss, it felt like a lot of our guys (especially Rozier and Brown) were already crowning us champions in 2019 and that we've have multiple rings "5 years later". Then we know how 2019 turned out.

I think they have this mindset that they can "coast" and "experiment" with certain things this late into the season and be fine come playoff time, however that can sometimes cost you. They may think being the 2 seed is fine, but if we lose Game 7 on the road to MIL then we'll regret it obviously. I also fully maintain Miami last year was not good, BUT that series only went to 7 games because we shot ourselves in the foot Games 3 + 6, and also figured we could "rest/manage" guys like Timelord certain games early that series. That may have fatigued them and mentally drained them come Finals too where they played a Warriors team who took care of business and didn't have any long series before.

Lowe in his podcast highlighted how MIL seemed to "tank" to the 3 seed to avoid BKN first round last year, but ultimately that may have cost them Game 7 at home vs Boston the next round, and they regretted it ever since. But the thing is, MIL did win a championship the year before so you can sort of understand their mindset (they've been there, done that). If MIL or another recent title team "coasts" a little or "steps back" in intensity a little during the regular season, I think you can understand it.

The C's haven't won anything yet. I hope they do soon, but until then they need to fight like they want it and play hard each and every game. You won't win every game and there'll be times you have to play ugly, but the C's sometimes seem to play like they are entitled and arrogant when they shouldn't be. Last night's loss was horrific and a poor reflection of the team really.

They need to wake up ASAP. Forget MIL, but right now I can't even say with confidence they can beat NYK or CLE in a series especially with how they've looked recently 
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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2023, 10:46:26 PM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?
Would like to see how you came to this conclusion

Coach Bud? More experience. Also he won a ring.

You think Mazz is better than Bud? Not sure how many agree with this.
I think Coach Bud is supported by more willing owners who enable his FO to make great moves (Holiday). Prior to that stacked big 3, many thought Bud was holding that team back.
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2023, 11:03:38 AM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?
Would like to see how you came to this conclusion

Coach Bud? More experience. Also he won a ring.

You think Mazz is better than Bud? Not sure how many agree with this.
I think Coach Bud is supported by more willing owners who enable his FO to make great moves (Holiday). Prior to that stacked big 3, many thought Bud was holding that team back.

Are you making the point that Mazz>Bud?

Re: Is this team overrated?
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2023, 11:31:00 AM »

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The team went up big and then just mentally left the building. They upped their intensity with 5 minutes to go and down double digits but it was too late. Just not enough time.

I’m confident in the team but it looks like they’re bored of the regular season. I still think JT needs to be sat out a few games despite what he says. If not a physical break, then a mental one.

Wasn’t the break the 8 days or so around the ASG?

Yeah but Tatum did go on record to say that those 2 weeks were all away from family and whatnot and that he was tired and glad to be back home during the first home game post ASG (or something to that effect).

In other words, I don’t think ASG was a break for him.
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2023, 11:54:07 AM »

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Team will never be the crazy dominant team before Rob tore the meniscus unless he fully recovers at some future point.  He is playing about 50 % of what he was doing before the injury in my eyes .  He is playing on 1 1/2 legs in my eyes…which is better than many centers , but not pre injury Timelord stuff. .He was so dominant that the team was totally relaxed .

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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2023, 03:22:12 PM »

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Yes, they are overrated. They have a rookie coach. What are the chances that two rookie coaches make it to the Finaps in back to back years? How long did it take Coach Bud (a superior coach to Ime and Mazz) to win a ring?
Would like to see how you came to this conclusion

Coach Bud? More experience. Also he won a ring.

You think Mazz is better than Bud? Not sure how many agree with this.
I think Coach Bud is supported by more willing owners who enable his FO to make great moves (Holiday). Prior to that stacked big 3, many thought Bud was holding that team back.

Are you making the point that Mazz>Bud?
No, I'm still waiting for your argument as to why Bud is better beyond "experience" and winning a ring. Is Doc Rivers a better coach than Brad Stevens was?
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
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SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2023, 04:00:14 PM »

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I think the next two games tonight and tomorrow night will show us what this team is made of. Can they bounceback from a little adversity and pull it together. Or will they struggle and actually lose both of these games to NYK and CLE? I guess splitting would be fine since sweeping a B2B isn't easy, but if they come out completely flat in one of those games and lose then that'd be off-putting.

It would be a terrible sign though if we lose tonight in particular. I mean, the Knicks have owned us the last few matchups and we are home tonight. No excuses not to win. But if NYK wins again, then forget MIL but I think we really need to worry about a playoff series with the Knicks in an earlier round.
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