True or False: We Play Better as a Team Without JB

[Who]

Kinda. Not that we are a better overall team but the teamwork out there is better without Jaylen. Jaylen does a lot of things individually but he isn't good at collective play. So the team plays more individually when he is out there. Whereas when he is not out there, they have to rely more on each other and play more as a team.

So yeah, the teamwork is better without Jaylen.

But the overall team is not better because Jaylen is highly talented and his positives far outweight his negatives.

[Phantom255x]

Bottom line, if you want to actually make a deep run in the playoffs, you NEED Brown, as well as Smart + others back

[GreenlyGreeny]

Far more lively debate than I thought. Everyone is free to change their vote at anytime in this poll.

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Now 8-1 without Brown this year and Memphis is obviously an excellent team.  Entering today Brown's on/off differential per 100 possessions was -3.5, which will only get worse after today's game.

Year after year it is the same thing.  The team just doesn't miss Brown when he doesn't play.

TP for giving data on our win record without Brown. That extrapolates to a record of 73-9. 9 games is over 10% of the regular season, too, so we’re starting to veer from too small of a sample size to a small sample size. Frankly, I hope JB skips the mask and is out another month, so we can see what happens with that 8-1 record.

so there it is...pretty much you don't like this guy and don't want him to come back from the injury.  logic seems to be evading you.

[knuckleballer]

I think that’s been true, but I think if he’s out for a prolonged time, teams will adjust defensively and we would soon start missing him and his scoring ability.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Now 8-1 without Brown this year and Memphis is obviously an excellent team.  Entering today Brown's on/off differential per 100 possessions was -3.5, which will only get worse after today's game.

Year after year it is the same thing.  The team just doesn't miss Brown when he doesn't play.

TP for giving data on our win record without Brown. That extrapolates to a record of 73-9. 9 games is over 10% of the regular season, too, so we’re starting to veer from too small of a sample size to a small sample size. Frankly, I hope JB skips the mask and is out another month, so we can see what happens with that 8-1 record.

so there it is...pretty much you don't like this guy and don't want him to come back from the injury.  logic seems to be evading you.

If we go 14-2 YTD without JB, for example, that’s all I care about. I want to see if all we keep doing is win without JB. It will boost my confidence in the analytics all pointing towards us being better off dealing him in the off-season, which is what I suspect Brad will do if the data overwhelmingly points in that direction. I do not have the time to crunch the data, but I have watched a lot of basketball for decades and have a good intuition for what the data will show…

Moving him for a playoffs analytics all-time great like Kawhi is my dream, particularly if this team is elite in the regular season even without JB (and therefore would be elite next year if we had Kawhi, even if Kawhi mailed-in the regular season). If we got Kawhi for JB/Brogdon, I’d let him sit however much he likes in the regular season because, like fans, he knows all that really matters is the playoffs so long as you secure a four or higher seed (dude is by far the smartest player in the league, if not the smartest basketball player all-time). If we can get the one or two seed going into the playoffs with a tanned, rested and ready Kawhi rather than JB, we would be truly unstoppable in the playoffs. Dynasty. We are literally built for Kawhi regular season precautions. Kawhi’s last 10 games have seen him average 27.7 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 4.7 APG, and 2.0 SPG on 50-40-90. That’s playoff Kawhi. Can you imagine how unstoppable we would be swapping JB for that performance in the playoffs? It might happen because the Clippers are seemingly not good enough to accommodate Kawhi’s smart load management precautions in the regular season, but we are proving that we are by going 8-1 without JB. So yes, I want to see how good we can be over 16-20 regular season games without JB.

[tonydelk]

Another thread bashing JB.  It's unreal to me how many people still want to trade him and under value him.  This team will not win it all without JB. 

[GreenlyGreeny]

Another thread bashing JB.  It's unreal to me how many people still want to trade him and under value him.  This team will not win it all without JB.

We have not won it all with JB, so if we do not win it all with him this year, do we really risk letting him do a Kyrie to us next year? No way. And the team has a better win record without JB, so that’s just a hard fact that cannot be ignored.

[Roy H.]

In 2008, the Celtics were 9-2 without KG, an 81% winning percentage.  With him, they were 57-14, an 80% winning percentage.

Clearly, then, we were just as good without KG, arguably even a little bit better.

[SHAQATTACK]

One of the Jays is under pressure more when one is out.  Having only one star sort “ enables” others to step at ease without deferred passes to a star.   On the other hand , there’s Smart pumping up threes regardless.

In a critical series you want all the  stars , as they are less likely to shrink at the moment most needed.  Brogdon gives us that guy who can knock down that last second shot , and I’m confident of him taking it .

Team is better off with Brown most definitely.

[GreenlyGreeny]

In 2008, the Celtics were 9-2 without KG, an 81% winning percentage.  With him, they were 57-14, an 80% winning percentage.

Clearly, then, we were just as good without KG, arguably even a little bit better.

KG signed an extension in July 2007 with a NT clause. JB is no KG. My concern is he’s our next Kyrie. And yes, we were better in 2017-2018 without Kyrie than we were in 2018-2019 with Kyrie.

[Roy H.]

In 2008, the Celtics were 9-2 without KG, an 81% winning percentage.  With him, they were 57-14, an 80% winning percentage.

Clearly, then, we were just as good without KG, arguably even a little bit better.

KG signed an extension in July 2007 with a NT clause. JB is no KG. My concern is he’s our next Kyrie. And yes, we were better in 2017-2018 without Kyrie than we were in 2018-2019 with Kyrie.

So, your arguments have no validity or principle behind them, you're just putting them out there as a pretext to justify your dislike of JB?

[Roy H.]

The 2008 and 2009 Celts were a combined 15-2 when Scal started in place of KG. 

We played better as a team without Garnett.  We should have traded him for a more team-oriented player.

[GreenlyGreeny]

In 2008, the Celtics were 9-2 without KG, an 81% winning percentage.  With him, they were 57-14, an 80% winning percentage.

Clearly, then, we were just as good without KG, arguably even a little bit better.

KG signed an extension in July 2007 with a NT clause. JB is no KG. My concern is he’s our next Kyrie. And yes, we were better in 2017-2018 without Kyrie than we were in 2018-2019 with Kyrie.

So, your arguments have no validity or principle behind them, you're just putting them out there as a pretext to justify your dislike of JB?

Michael Keaton is coming back as Batman, so that’s the great news. The bad news is that KG is not coming through that door.

Look, I just feel like this team plays better without JB. I would like some data to support and/or contradict that suspicion. So far we have the record without JB, a historical citation of the team not from last decade but the decade prior, and really no data to support we play better with JB 🤷‍♂️

[Roy H.]

In 2008, the Celtics were 9-2 without KG, an 81% winning percentage.  With him, they were 57-14, an 80% winning percentage.

Clearly, then, we were just as good without KG, arguably even a little bit better.

KG signed an extension in July 2007 with a NT clause. JB is no KG. My concern is he’s our next Kyrie. And yes, we were better in 2017-2018 without Kyrie than we were in 2018-2019 with Kyrie.

So, your arguments have no validity or principle behind them, you're just putting them out there as a pretext to justify your dislike of JB?

Michael Keaton is coming back as Batman, so that’s the great news. The bad news is that KG is not coming through that door.

Look, I just feel like this team plays better without JB. I would like some data to support and/or contradict that suspicion. So far we have the record without JB, a historical citation of the team not from last decade but the decade prior, and really no data to support we play better with JB 🤷‍♂️

Outside of the NBA Finals, right?