Celtics Trade Deadline

[Vermont Green]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

[Moranis]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

he does play more guard, but I don't think he can play the point which the other 4 can.  I suspect he'd take Brown's minutes at SG, giving Brown almost exclusive time at SF.  I think he provides more upside that Grant, as he is a guy that I could see actually altering (in the good way) a playoff game.  If he gets hot, he can put up points in a hurry.  I feel like Boston needs a guy like that and doesn't have that sort of player.

I'd envision a playoff rotation being something like this

PG - Smart 32, White 16
SG - Brogdon 24, White 8, Beasley 16
SF - Brown 40, Tatum 8
PF - Tatum 32, Horford 6, Vanderbilt 10
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Something like that. 

[Vermont Green]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

he does play more guard, but I don't think he can play the point which the other 4 can.  I suspect he'd take Brown's minutes at SG, giving Brown almost exclusive time at SF.  I think he provides more upside that Grant, as he is a guy that I could see actually altering (in the good way) a playoff game.  If he gets hot, he can put up points in a hurry.  I feel like Boston needs a guy like that and doesn't have that sort of player.

I'd envision a playoff rotation being something like this

PG - Smart 32, White 16
SG - Brogdon 24, White 8, Beasley 16
SF - Brown 40, Tatum 8
PF - Tatum 32, Horford 6, Vanderbilt 10
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Something like that.

Yeah, I get where you are trying to go with this but even as you have it structured, Beasley is our 3rd string SG, a great 3rd string guard, but still 3rd string.  I don't want to trade Grant, much less Grant and Gallinari, for that.  I would rather have the minutes for Grant and then push everyone else down, Tatum more at SF, Brown more at SG, and so on.  And we would still have Pritchard for emergencies.

[Roy H.]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

he does play more guard, but I don't think he can play the point which the other 4 can.  I suspect he'd take Brown's minutes at SG, giving Brown almost exclusive time at SF.  I think he provides more upside that Grant, as he is a guy that I could see actually altering (in the good way) a playoff game.  If he gets hot, he can put up points in a hurry.  I feel like Boston needs a guy like that and doesn't have that sort of player.

I'd envision a playoff rotation being something like this

PG - Smart 32, White 16
SG - Brogdon 24, White 8, Beasley 16
SF - Brown 40, Tatum 8
PF - Tatum 32, Horford 6, Vanderbilt 10
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Something like that.

Yeah, I get where you are trying to go with this but even as you have it structured, Beasley is our 3rd string SG, a great 3rd string guard, but still 3rd string.  I don't want to trade Grant, much less Grant and Gallinari, for that.  I would rather have the minutes for Grant and then push everyone else down, Tatum more at SF, Brown more at SG, and so on.  And we would still have Pritchard for emergencies.

I would try to target Nickeil Alexander-Walker instead of Beasley.  He's playing a lot of SF this year, and could potentially be our backup wing.  He's shown a solid commitment to defense, and can play 1 through 3.

[Moranis]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

he does play more guard, but I don't think he can play the point which the other 4 can.  I suspect he'd take Brown's minutes at SG, giving Brown almost exclusive time at SF.  I think he provides more upside that Grant, as he is a guy that I could see actually altering (in the good way) a playoff game.  If he gets hot, he can put up points in a hurry.  I feel like Boston needs a guy like that and doesn't have that sort of player.

I'd envision a playoff rotation being something like this

PG - Smart 32, White 16
SG - Brogdon 24, White 8, Beasley 16
SF - Brown 40, Tatum 8
PF - Tatum 32, Horford 6, Vanderbilt 10
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Something like that.

Yeah, I get where you are trying to go with this but even as you have it structured, Beasley is our 3rd string SG, a great 3rd string guard, but still 3rd string.  I don't want to trade Grant, much less Grant and Gallinari, for that.  I would rather have the minutes for Grant and then push everyone else down, Tatum more at SF, Brown more at SG, and so on.  And we would still have Pritchard for emergencies.

I just think Beasley is better than Grant and he is signed for next year so there is a lot more certainty in that.  Plus, that is obviously assuming everyone is healthy and doesn't miss games, which we know won't happen.  I have a lot more faith in Beasley getting big minutes in an injury situation and filling in than Grant and that is with this making Tatum more PF, which I've made clear is not optimal, but all things considered Brown at SF and Tatum at PF makes a lot more sense than some other lineups. 

[Vermont Green]

General question.  Can you trade a 2-way player?  Do you have to promote them to the regular roster first?  And then wouldn't you have to wait 30 days or something?

[Celtics2021]

General question.  Can you trade a 2-way player?  Do you have to promote them to the regular roster first?  And then wouldn't you have to wait 30 days or something?

You can trade a 2-way player if the other team has room for a 2-way player.  It can be complicated because there are rules about how many games a 2-way can spend called up, and how many games a team can have a 2-way player called up for, so sometimes these totals get in the way of each other midseason, but a 2-way can be traded.

[footey]

Yeah Vanderbilt would be a nice add, as would Beasley.

Beasley for Gallo, Grant, Jackson

Vanderbilt for 2025 1st (top 4)

Post-trade rotation

Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon, Pritchard
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Beasley, Hauser
Bigs - Horford, Rob, Vanderbilt, Kornet, Griffin

Works for me.

Vanderbilt, yes, but Beasley for Gallo and Grant, I don't bite on that one.  Do we really need another guard?  You have Beasley as a wing, I think that is generous.  He is a 6'-4" chucking guard.  He would be our 4th guard, not a position I see as a need to upgrade.  He is a decent player, just not something we need.  And we give up a valuable rotation PF (Grant) to get him.  Even if he really was a forward, I am not sure I give up Grant for him.

he does play more guard, but I don't think he can play the point which the other 4 can.  I suspect he'd take Brown's minutes at SG, giving Brown almost exclusive time at SF.  I think he provides more upside that Grant, as he is a guy that I could see actually altering (in the good way) a playoff game.  If he gets hot, he can put up points in a hurry.  I feel like Boston needs a guy like that and doesn't have that sort of player.

I'd envision a playoff rotation being something like this

PG - Smart 32, White 16
SG - Brogdon 24, White 8, Beasley 16
SF - Brown 40, Tatum 8
PF - Tatum 32, Horford 6, Vanderbilt 10
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Something like that.

This roster construction reminds me of the Clippers. Not in a good way.

[ozgod]

I'll propose a deal:

BOS trades:  Gallinari, Pritchard, Jackson, better of HOU / POR #2
ORL trades:  Bamba

It is basically salary neutral for this year.

I like!  The Houston pick could be #32 which is essentially a 1st.

We don't have a first this year, so we can't give up a first in the 2024 draft, therefore, Brad is going to have to get creative.  I like this, definitely provides big depth but we'll ahve to make sure to scour the buyouts for wing depth.  I think with JB and JT nursing injuries, that's going to get important down the road deep into the playoffs.

The Houston pick only comes to us at 33 or worse, otherwise it’s Dallas or Miami.  But the Portland pick is aiming to be late 30s on its own.

I think PP has late first round (high level role/bench player on any team without the Cs depth at guard).  I think Bamba is a less valuable asset than Hachimura so the idea of trading a 1st plus a high 2nd seems to be an over pay. Gallinari plus Jackson worked for salary purposes in the trade machine I tried, but I have no idea if their algorithm is correct.

frankly given the contract, Gallinari might be more valuable than Bamba if he can come back this year.  Given the health, I'd probably do Bamba for Gallinari and Jackson, but no draft picks or other players.  I also might do Bamba, Hampton for Gallinari, Pritchard, and Jackson, but I think Pritchard makes more sense as a shooter off the bench than whatever Hampton's role might be.

What's wrong with Bamba's contract?  $10 million for a low-end starting-caliber center / good backup seems fair, and his deal is non-guaranteed next season.  And let's be real:  Gallo isn't coming back this year, and if he does, he's likely going to be slow, rusty and timid.

A floor-spacing defensive center is exactly what this team needs.  While I'd love to keep Pritchard -- both because he's solid depth and because he's got a tradeable contract next year -- having somebody who can spell both Timelord and Horford is important.

There is nothing wrong with Bamba's contract other than it is 3.5 million more than Gallinari's this year.  So he costs more.  Gallinari is better than Bamba at almost everything.  I get he is hurt, which is why I'd make the move, but no way I'd add Pritchard to it.  Way too much to give up for a guy that might not even play ahead of Kornet.

Bamba is significantly better than both Gallo (who literally adds zero) and Kornet.  And, I'd always trade a 4th PG for a backup center.

No he isn't.  He blocks shots better and rebounds better, but does nothing else as well as Gallo who is also more versatile in that he can play both PF and C, while Bamba can not.  Gallo is a much better fit with Boston than Bamba is, if he can get back to healthy.  He isn't now, so I'd do the swap just for the certainty, but not with any value added.

Gallo ads zero.  His "fit" is towel waver and rehabber.   There is essentially a 0% chance he comes back this year.  He's not Adrian Peterson.  34 year olds don't come back from ACL tears in 9 months.

Last time he tore his ACL -- in April 2013 -- he missed the remainder of that season, as well as the entire next season.  It took him 19 months to play again.  Now we're expecting him back in nine?  Despite being nine years older?

As I said, I'd make the trade, just not with Pritchard, a 1st, etc.  Bamba isn't any good.  There is a reason he is barely playing for the Magic.    In the last 12 games he has been a healthy scratch 5 times and is down under 10 mpg in the other 7 and he was a healthy scratch 14 games ago.  Bamba isn't good. Pritchard is significantly better than he is, it isn't close.  I'm not sure he'd play ahead of Kornet, who you all know I think blows. And Bamba is a pure center.  He has never played or guarded PF's in his life.  He'd be the 3rd or 4th center on this team.  If the trade is just injured Gallo and Jackson, then it is fine, anything more than that and it is a terrible trade.

Lol.  "It isn't close" doesn't make a false statement true.

Bamba leads in points per game, points per possession, FG%, eFG%, 2PT%, 3PT%, TS%, FT%, 3PM, FTA, rebounds, and blocks.  They have the same number of assists and steals, and Bamba has fewer turnovers.  Bamba has the better ORtg, DRtg, PER, WS, WS/48, BPM, OPM, DPM, and has a lower usage rate.  Pritchard is older, and is playing less.

Pritchard fouls less.  That is literally the only thing he has been better at.

EDIT:  I forgot VORP.  Bamba leads there, too.

Not on their career or even just last year.  Pritchard because of role doesn't get consistent time this year, but we've seen what he is with more consistent time.  Pritchard is better and a better fit for this team than a 3rd or 4th string center that isn't elite at anything.  Bamba doesn't have elite shot blocking or rebounding, that is the type of thing you need from a guy that is mostly out of the rotation.  Pritchard hasn't really settled into that role either, I'm fine trading him, but not for a guy that can't even crack the rotation of one of the worst teams in the league.

Pritchard seems to be tiring of his shrinking role with the Cs, which is understandable.

During an appearance on the Point Forward podcast with Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner, Pritchard both discussed his current situation in Boston and hinted at his future priorities in the coming seasons.

Andre Iguodala: “Walk me through the next 5 or 10 years for yourself.”

Payton Pritchard: “Obviously after I’m done here, after this year, I’d like to look — be a part of a bigger role a little bit.”

Iguodala: “You should want that.”

Pritchard: “I definitely do. It’s obviously what I work for. I think that’s what Brad [Stevens] and them know, too. We’ve had that discussion but — a bigger role. I want to be part of a winning culture but I want to also help that, be a really big piece of that. I’m not saying it’s the best player on the team but I don’t know what my future holds unless I can take that next step. I don’t know what it is in five or 10 years but I just want to look back and know that I put my best foot forward. I put all the work in so whatever happens I can live with it as long as I did it my way. That’s the most important thing for me.”

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2023/01/30/payton-prichard-future-after-celtics-limited-minutes/?p1=hp_secondary

[radiohead]

Isn’t he signed til next season though? When he says “after i’m done here….this year” is he implying that he’d ask for a trade in the offseason? Because if so then maybe it’s best to ship him out before the deadline and get some help in terms of bigs/wings?

[Celtics2021]

Isn’t he signed til next season though? When he says “after i’m done here….this year” is he implying that he’d ask for a trade in the offseason? Because if so then maybe it’s best to ship him out before the deadline and get some help in terms of bigs/wings?

He is signed until next season, although his salary increases to over $4 million, which while not expensive, starts to get a) to the point that you don’t want to pay it to someone out of the rotation when you’re that much over the tax, and b) can be used to match salaries of rotation players in a way that his $2+ million salary cannot.

In other words, the Celtics have told him that they’ll try to find him somewhere better next season, if not before, because that will work best for everyone.  This season, however, it is not an imperative, because in a way his salary may be more useful in the summer.

[radiohead]

Isn’t he signed til next season though? When he says “after i’m done here….this year” is he implying that he’d ask for a trade in the offseason? Because if so then maybe it’s best to ship him out before the deadline and get some help in terms of bigs/wings?

He is signed until next season, although his salary increases to over $4 million, which while not expensive, starts to get a) to the point that you don’t want to pay it to someone out of the rotation when you’re that much over the tax, and b) can be used to match salaries of rotation players in a way that his $2+ million salary cannot.

In other words, the Celtics have told him that they’ll try to find him somewhere better next season, if not before, because that will work best for everyone.  This season, however, it is not an imperative, because in a way his salary may be more useful in the summer.

Thanks and TP. Makes sense to hold til the offseason then.

[Phantom255x]

Less than 10 days away now from the NBA Trade Deadline

[Vermont Green]

Isn’t he signed til next season though? When he says “after i’m done here….this year” is he implying that he’d ask for a trade in the offseason? Because if so then maybe it’s best to ship him out before the deadline and get some help in terms of bigs/wings?

He is signed until next season, although his salary increases to over $4 million, which while not expensive, starts to get a) to the point that you don’t want to pay it to someone out of the rotation when you’re that much over the tax, and b) can be used to match salaries of rotation players in a way that his $2+ million salary cannot.

In other words, the Celtics have told him that they’ll try to find him somewhere better next season, if not before, because that will work best for everyone.  This season, however, it is not an imperative, because in a way his salary may be more useful in the summer.

I wonder what Pritchard's value is around the league.  For example, if we were to just trade him for draft capital, what could be get?  A protected first rounder?  Just a couple of seconds?  We can't combine his salary with a TPE but if we could get pick(s) for him, we could use the pick(s) with a TPE to get someone.

It is really too bad.  He is a great player to have on the bench.  But we are so deep at his position, that it is hard to justify.  If we could trade him for picks and then use the picks with a TPE to get a comparable big or wing, that would be much better roster balance for us.

[Roy H.]

Isn’t he signed til next season though? When he says “after i’m done here….this year” is he implying that he’d ask for a trade in the offseason? Because if so then maybe it’s best to ship him out before the deadline and get some help in terms of bigs/wings?

He is signed until next season, although his salary increases to over $4 million, which while not expensive, starts to get a) to the point that you don’t want to pay it to someone out of the rotation when you’re that much over the tax, and b) can be used to match salaries of rotation players in a way that his $2+ million salary cannot.

In other words, the Celtics have told him that they’ll try to find him somewhere better next season, if not before, because that will work best for everyone.  This season, however, it is not an imperative, because in a way his salary may be more useful in the summer.

I wonder what Pritchard's value is around the league.  For example, if we were to just trade him for draft capital, what could be get?  A protected first rounder?  Just a couple of seconds?  We can't combine his salary with a TPE but if we could get pick(s) for him, we could use the pick(s) with a TPE to get someone.

It is really too bad.  He is a great player to have on the bench.  But we are so deep at his position, that it is hard to justify.  If we could trade him for picks and then use the picks with a TPE to get a comparable big or wing, that would be much better roster balance for us.

I don't think that we'd get a first.  I don't think he's considered that good, particularly with his decline in performance this year.  I could see a team like the Warriors liking him, but they wouldn't give up a 1st.