Celtics Undervaluing Grant?

[cman88]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

If Celtics win a title or get close they should have no problem paying a GSW type bill. That's how golden state won. They kept everyone and paid.

Now is not the time to cheap out for the owners.

[jambr380]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

[Sophomore]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

If Celtics win a title or get close they should have no problem paying a GSW type bill. That's how golden state won. They kept everyone and paid.

Now is not the time to cheap out for the owners.

I am thinking about what his market is likely to be. We won’t have to pay more than the market, and I don’t know that there’s any team willing to pay 18 or $20 million for a seventh man. He has had some pretty good games, but also some pretty bad games. To me he still seems like a rotation piece for a playoff team, not a starter.

If he continues to grow and can contribute deep into the playoffs, instead of turtling like he did in last year’s finals, I certainly hope they hold onto him.

[Roy H.]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

[Who]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

If BOS does pay G-Will that type of money, I imagine it will be for G-Will to be Horford's long term replacement at PF.

[Kernewek]

Great point Who, I think that's the priority for the team: a Horford replacement who can provide the same things on both sides of the ball to keep the roster rolling as it should. Grant's a good player, but is he that guy? I'm not sure - I'd need to see him on the floor more with Timelord, in particular.

[jambr380]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

Oh, yeah, I was definitely sugarcoating it. I meant that I don't think ownership will be willing to pay Grant ~$20M/yr when there are players like Gallo who provide enough for a 7th man at a fraction of the cost. We could deal White, pay Grant, and roll with P-Rabbit, but not sure who exactly we could get for White that would be cheap.

As of now, Grant probably is the Al replacement, so it may be necessary to keep him; however, other teams may see him as a starter and be willing to throw him starter money. Glad Al wants to stay for another 3 years or so. Let's hope he stays healthy and productive.

[Goldstar88]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

Oh, yeah, I was definitely sugarcoating it. I meant that I don't think ownership will be willing to pay Grant ~$20M/yr when there are players like Gallo who provide enough for a 7th man at a fraction of the cost. We could deal White, pay Grant, and roll with P-Rabbit, but not sure who exactly we could get for White that would be cheap.

As of now, Grant probably is the Al replacement, so it may be necessary to keep him; however, other teams may see him as a starter and be willing to throw him starter money. Glad Al wants to stay for another 3 years or so. Let's hope he stays healthy and productive.

What the heck is a P-Rabbit?

[nickagneta]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

Oh, yeah, I was definitely sugarcoating it. I meant that I don't think ownership will be willing to pay Grant ~$20M/yr when there are players like Gallo who provide enough for a 7th man at a fraction of the cost. We could deal White, pay Grant, and roll with P-Rabbit, but not sure who exactly we could get for White that would be cheap.

As of now, Grant probably is the Al replacement, so it may be necessary to keep him; however, other teams may see him as a starter and be willing to throw him starter money. Glad Al wants to stay for another 3 years or so. Let's hope he stays healthy and productive.

What the heck is a P-Rabbit?

P-Rabbit.
8 Mile.
Eminem.

Payton Pritchard

[Goldstar88]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

Oh, yeah, I was definitely sugarcoating it. I meant that I don't think ownership will be willing to pay Grant ~$20M/yr when there are players like Gallo who provide enough for a 7th man at a fraction of the cost. We could deal White, pay Grant, and roll with P-Rabbit, but not sure who exactly we could get for White that would be cheap.

As of now, Grant probably is the Al replacement, so it may be necessary to keep him; however, other teams may see him as a starter and be willing to throw him starter money. Glad Al wants to stay for another 3 years or so. Let's hope he stays healthy and productive.

What the heck is a P-Rabbit?

P-Rabbit.
8 Mile.
Eminem.

Payton Pritchard

Good movie. Forgot that Em’s character went by B-Rabbit in that film. Not loving the nickname for Pritchard, though. 

Not a lot of the C’s players have nicknames… Timelord, Green Kornet, Smartacus, are there more?

[jambr380]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.

To be fair, Al will definitely not be in that range starting next year, so even if they really do pay Grant, that number shouldn't change.

But I disagree with those that say you should just pay everybody whatever and let the owners worry about it. That is just not feasible. As a Title contender, we are supposed to be top heavy in salaries, but should also be a destination for other good players looking to win. Gallinari was supposed to be that player this year, and honestly, if he were healthy, Grant wouldn't be as important as he has become. He would probably even be below Gallo.

Not feasible in what regard?  If you mean not realistic, sure, because the owners see the Celtics as a business and they want to make large profits from the franchise.  If you mean not sustainable, I disagree, because between the enormous profits and the skyrocketing valuation of the team, ownership could easily afford a large tax bill for many seasons to come.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=1f451296767b

Oh, yeah, I was definitely sugarcoating it. I meant that I don't think ownership will be willing to pay Grant ~$20M/yr when there are players like Gallo who provide enough for a 7th man at a fraction of the cost. We could deal White, pay Grant, and roll with P-Rabbit, but not sure who exactly we could get for White that would be cheap.

As of now, Grant probably is the Al replacement, so it may be necessary to keep him; however, other teams may see him as a starter and be willing to throw him starter money. Glad Al wants to stay for another 3 years or so. Let's hope he stays healthy and productive.

What the heck is a P-Rabbit?

P-Rabbit.
8 Mile.
Eminem.

Payton Pritchard

Good movie. Forgot that Em’s character went by B-Rabbit in that film. Not loving the nickname for Pritchard, though. 

Not a lot of the C’s players have nicknames… Timelord, Green Kornet, Smartacus, are there more?

I just can't do PP because of Pierce. FastPP is pushing it, but acceptable. I remember hearing P-Rabbit a while ago and it made me laugh, so I like to toss it out every now and then.

And Smart gets two nicknames with The Cobra. It's also a big no on The Problem from me with Tatum - too forced and it came from Lebron. And, nice try Grant, but I'm not ready to give you Batman.

I'd also like to introduce possibly my favorite one on the Cs: Brogdor the Burninator. The link actually has an edited Brogdon specific image somebody created from Reddit.

https://i.redd.it/9000z4dmpya91.png

[Moranis]

bball-ref has some weird nicknames for C's players.

Tatum - J, Taco Jay
Smart - Cobra, Wolverine
Brown - JB, Old Man
Grant - The General, Batman
Rob - TimeLord, Boo Butt, Lob Williams
Al - Godfather
Brogdon - Humble Moses, The President, Uncle Malcolm, Mookie Dew
Gallinari - II Gallo, The Rooster
Pritchard - Fast PP
Kornet - The Green Kornet

[celticsclay]

The topic of Ben simmons has been up for debate in the around the nba thread and I wondered if people would rather have Ben Simmons or grant Williams right now.

[Sophomore]

The topic of Ben simmons has been up for debate in the around the nba thread and I wondered if people would rather have Ben Simmons or grant Williams right now.

Grant.

[gouki88]

The topic of Ben simmons has been up for debate in the around the nba thread and I wondered if people would rather have Ben Simmons or grant Williams right now.

Even without contractual considerations I'd rather Grant