Celtics Undervaluing Grant?

[SHAQATTACK]

Grant is like a Timex , takes a heck of a beating and keeps on ticking .   

This ^ is rare in today’s NBA ….most sit out for a hang nail or are just injured or prone to missing games …lots of games .

He takes a lot of nasty wallops , shakes it off ….smiles and gets after again 100 % …..very rare in today’s league ,  teams like Ferrari’s…..but they break a lot .

[ozgod]

HoopsHype's Michael Scotto reported the team "never offered more than $50 million guaranteed over four years." Scotto previously reported in October the 6'6" forward was believed to be wanting a deal paying him $12-14 million annually.

Williams is now due to hit restricted free agency in the offseason. That allows the Celtics to match any offer sheet he signs, but they may not utilize that luxury when the moment arrives.

According to Scotto, Boston might balk if Williams is handed a deal worth $18 million or more from another team.

Is this a speculative piece from Michael Scotto or he has a source suggesting that Boston will walk away from such a deal?

For context, here are the players making $16-$18m.

[Who]

Grant Williams would be very difficult to replace. Few players offer his twin dimensions of (1) physical versatile defense that can cover small forwards, big forwards, and even some centers for short durations. (2) good team offense due to his superior outside spot up shooting and solid passing / decision making.

Most role playing quality defenders are dodgy offensive players. Those that are good offensive threats in addition to providing strong D are highly valuable and difficult to replace. Especially a bigger physical forward like Grant vs a smaller wing based player (6-5 to 6-7 205-220lb type).

Having a guy like Grant to throw at people like Durant or Giannis [while without harming your offense] was very valuable for the Celtics last postseason.

[jambr380]

I think someone will offer him more than they are willing to spend. I guess the anticipation is that they can find someone to deliver a sizeable percentage of what Grant does for a lot less money.  Not sure I agree. But this is the type of situation where your GM earns his money. And I trust Brad.

Yeah, that's just life with a team that is well in the tax - You have to make tough decisions. I'd imagine they'd be willing to up to maybe $14M/yr, but not into upper-teens territory. If their hand is forced and they think they can get somebody with the Taxpayer MLE that can do 80% of what Grant can do, then they will probably let him walk.

I really like Grant and love the personality he brings to the team. His improvements have also been impressive and unexpected. But the NBA is also based on potential/ceiling and Grant is definitely limited there. It really depends on what a team with cap space thinks of him and where they see him in their hierarchy. Grant performs extremely well on a team full of capable star-level players, but what if he is being asked to do too much?

Fwiw, Marcus is a considerably better player than Grant and DWhite is somewhat overpaid. But I would say Grant and DWhite are comparable players in terms of impact.

[Roy H.]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

[tenn_smoothie]

Obviously we can't keep everyone as they want to get paid. Well, if GWill can put up solid numbers consistently then Wyc and PBS will pay him. And yes, that also depends on Hauser on whether he pans out and if he can fill the GWill role for cheap.

We should pay to keep everybody. That's how you win titles. It's expensive.
If Wyc & Co. do not want to spend that type of money, they should never have signed on with the Boston Celtics.

[tenn_smoothie]

So, would Grant have signed for 14M per year ?
Then we should have offered it to avoid some team bidding into the 18M range next summer.
Williams is the type of player that contributes to championships. He does the little things.

[SHAQATTACK]

Obviously we can't keep everyone as they want to get paid. Well, if GWill can put up solid numbers consistently then Wyc and PBS will pay him. And yes, that also depends on Hauser on whether he pans out and if he can fill the GWill role for cheap.

We should pay to keep everybody. That's how you win titles. It's expensive.

That’s what Warriors did , pay em and keep a winning team

[tenn_smoothie]

Obviously we can't keep everyone as they want to get paid. Well, if GWill can put up solid numbers consistently then Wyc and PBS will pay him. And yes, that also depends on Hauser on whether he pans out and if he can fill the GWill role for cheap.

We should pay to keep everybody. That's how you win titles. It's expensive.

That’s what Warriors did , pay em and keep a winning team

Exactly

[Csfan1984]

Contracts increase every year so I can see Grant getting his 16 to 18 per year.

 If he has a super playoff run 23 million could be had. It seems there is always some team just looking to dump crazy money on a 6th man level player every FA recently.

[Celtics4ever]

A lot of this will depend on Sam Hauser's performance this year as I see it.   Can he be consistent enough that we do not need Grant?   

Doubt Hauser has anything to do with it. Yeah, both can shoot threes at a high rate but Grant is a tough, versatile defender that can credibly guard some really tough bigger guys at a very good level. His tremendous strength allows him to deny position and beat up on players defensively and in a seven game playoff series that proves extremely valuable.

Grant's contract will depend on Grant's performance and demands and have nothing to do with Hauser. My guess is the team might go as high as 4 years at $15 million per year. But if Grant is looking for current Marcus Smart type money, he will be allowed to walk.

A lot of things in sports come down to money, you know.   If Hauser does well, then it gives Boston leverage in their talks against Grant.   

Grant has to look out for Grant.   A pro athlete has a finite limit in terms of years of earning.   He is bright enough for a second career but who can blame him cashing in, now that he has put in the work.

[Vermont Green]

The Celtics can always match.  PHO did that even with Ayton.  Nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with Grant deciding to roll the dice and test the market.  It is just the way this works.  There is nothing to get worked up about here.  It is just two parties doing what the two parties feel is in their best interest.

[Goldstar88]

A lot of this will depend on Sam Hauser's performance this year as I see it.   Can he be consistent enough that we do not need Grant?   

Doubt Hauser has anything to do with it. Yeah, both can shoot threes at a high rate but Grant is a tough, versatile defender that can credibly guard some really tough bigger guys at a very good level. His tremendous strength allows him to deny position and beat up on players defensively and in a seven game playoff series that proves extremely valuable.

Grant's contract will depend on Grant's performance and demands and have nothing to do with Hauser. My guess is the team might go as high as 4 years at $15 million per year. But if Grant is looking for current Marcus Smart type money, he will be allowed to walk.

A lot of things in sports come down to money, you know.   If Hauser does well, then it gives Boston leverage in their talks against Grant.   

Grant has to look out for Grant.   A pro athlete has a finite limit in terms of years of earning.   He is bright enough for a second career but who can blame him cashing in, now that he has put in the work.

Hauser and Grant don’t play the same position, so I don’t think one effects the other. Their roles are very different. Grant is going to cash in as long as he stays healthy. Whether that’s 10-$12M a year or 15-$17M, he’s going to get paid.

[Moranis]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one. 

[Sophomore]

1.  What teams are projected to have cap room next year?;

2.  Who else is on the market?;

3.  Will teams be willing to potentially miss out on UFAs while their cap room is tied up in an offer sheet to Grant?

EDIT:  https://hoopshype.com/lists/who-are-the-cap-space-teams-for-2023/

That link answers some of those questions.  Most of the teams with cap space are a long way off from contending, but when teams miss out on their top options, who knows?  Some disappointed franchise might want to pay Grant $18 - $20 million to be a good 7th man.

These are always the questions that people don't think about but are really important. 

What team is actually going to pay Grant Williams more than the MLE?  Aside from the Celtics, I'm not sure there is one.

$18-20M for a 7th man? It’s possible, I guess, but paying that kind of money for a guy who doesn’t start is a way to pay a GSW-like tax bill. I think a team will have to look at Grant as a starter to pay that kind of money. The Cs’ sixth biggest salary is 16M, and they’re deep in the tax. Spot-checked other top east teams and none had more than 5 players with $18M salaries.  Philly, Mia, MW have 3, ATL BKL, CHI have 4.