Nets, Tsai upset about Cryrie's promotion of antisemitic book, film

[Kernewek]

Jaylen is quickly approaching the “fake intellectual “ label himself.  As I noted over the summer, when somebody surrounds himself with Kanye and Kyrie, it’s at least a yellow flag.

He’s a great basketball player, and seemingly a good guy.  He may want to check his sphere of influence though.

I don't know why he is suddenly a "fake intellectual" other than because he is defending Kyrie, the player and was associated with Ye.

As a VP in the PA, it's kind of his job to stick up for players and the type of demands being made upon Kyrie are definitely unique and not addressed in any way in the CBA or the standard player's contract. So wanting to stop some strange precedent from being established makes sense, if look at from the perspective of being a VP representing players in matters dealing with differences with owners of the league.

That said, I wish Jaylen would have let some other VP come to Kyrie's defense, as I don't like Kyrie, don't like anti-semetism or anti-semites and don't like Brooklyn Nets players.

First, anybody who says the following gibberish is coming close to the fake intellectual line:

We understand from an outside perspective how important sensitivity is to not condone hate speech and not condone anything of that nature. It’s sensitivity to the dialect around that.

“We don’t want to stand up for somebody in order to not condemn hate speech, but I don’t believe Kyrie Irving is antisemitic. And hopefully the NBA feels the same way

That's barely coherent.

Second, it's not his job to say "I don’t believe Kyrie Irving is antisemitic", just like it wasn't his job to initially stick with Kanye the anti-semite.  Screw Jaylen for enabling hate speech and the racists who spout it.

Somehow, fellow VPs Malcolm Brogdon and Grant Williams haven't spoken on Kyrie's behalf.  That's probably because they're not friends with two of the biggest anti-Semites in pop culture.

It's not gibberish. My lord.

That statement reads like English is his second language.  Sensitivity to the dialect?

Or maybe he just intended to write "dialog", and it just reads like a social media post a young guy dictated into his phone and didn't check carefully enough.

Are we all losing our minds here?

The entire statement is barely coherent.  If somebody is making a statement as a VP in the NBAPA, don't you think they should check to ensure their statement doesn't read like a drunk freshman?

Watch out CelticsStrongers! Have perfect grammar and use words in perfect context or you're going to be labeled as incoherent, fake intellectual and have your intelligence questioned.

No one is expecting him to be Colson Whitehead, but we shouldn't let him get away with being Billy Madison, either.

[bdm860]

I've been beating the Jaylen's-not-the-intellectual-he's-portrayed-as drum for a while.  Here's a 2018 post where I start to question it, partly attributed to this Jackie MacMullan quote:

“...a renaissance man, if you will. He’s probably not quite as much of that as he thinks he is- and I think sometimes that causes issues in their locker room. And I don’t think they dislike him Zach, but I think they’re like “what’s with this dude?”

This current stuff just adds to it.

I think the signs have been there for a while if you wanted to look for it.

Funnily enough, I compared Brown's intellect to that of Kyrie (taking classes at Harvard) and Kanye (honory doctorate, spoken at Harvard and Oxford) back in a 2019 post.   Never would have imagined Brown would have been so intertwined with those guys in 2022. 

Not surprised to see Nick on the other side though.  He's been a huge Jaylen-is-a-true-intellect supporter since Day 1.  If Nick ever changes his opinion on how smart/intelligent Jaylen is, then you know things have gotten really bad.

[keevsnick]

I've been beating the Jaylen's-not-the-intellectual-he's-portrayed-as drum for a while.  Here's a 2018 post where I start to question it, partly attributed to this Jackie MacMullan quote:

“...a renaissance man, if you will. He’s probably not quite as much of that as he thinks he is- and I think sometimes that causes issues in their locker room. And I don’t think they dislike him Zach, but I think they’re like “what’s with this dude?”

This current stuff just adds to it.

I think the signs have been there for a while if you wanted to look for it.

Funnily enough, I compared Brown's intellect to that of Kyrie (taking classes at Harvard) and Kanye (honory doctorate, spoken at Harvard and Oxford) back in a 2019 post.   Never would have imagined Brown would have been so intertwined with those guys in 2022. 

Not surprised to see Nick on the other side though.  He's been a huge Jaylen-is-a-true-intellect supporter since Day 1.  If Nick ever changes his opinion on how smart/intelligent Jaylen is, then you know things have gotten really bad.

Can I be honest: I don't know what Jaylen's intellect has to do with any of this, and the preoccupation with making it apart of the conversation seems a little weird to me on all sides.

Smart people can hold bad positions. Dumb people can be morally pure of heart. There doesn't, to me, appear to be much correlation between how "smart" or "intellectual" one is and their opinions on most societal issues.

The same thinking applies to grammar/writing skill, the guy has one year in college he spent mostly playing basketball. I don't expect him to be a polished writer, and writing skill doesn't equal intelligence.

So the actual question is this: What to make of Jaylen's involvement in all of this? I guess my only real take is I don't like he's friends with kanye or kyrie, but don't mind that he stuck up for Donda. Beyond that I don't know taht we know much.

[moiso]

Jaylen is quickly approaching the “fake intellectual “ label himself.  As I noted over the summer, when somebody surrounds himself with Kanye and Kyrie, it’s at least a yellow flag.

He’s a great basketball player, and seemingly a good guy.  He may want to check his sphere of influence though.

I don't know why he is suddenly a "fake intellectual" other than because he is defending Kyrie, the player and was associated with Ye.

As a VP in the PA, it's kind of his job to stick up for players and the type of demands being made upon Kyrie are definitely unique and not addressed in any way in the CBA or the standard player's contract. So wanting to stop some strange precedent from being established makes sense, if look at from the perspective of being a VP representing players in matters dealing with differences with owners of the league.

That said, I wish Jaylen would have let some other VP come to Kyrie's defense, as I don't like Kyrie, don't like anti-semetism or anti-semites and don't like Brooklyn Nets players.

First, anybody who says the following gibberish is coming close to the fake intellectual line:

We understand from an outside perspective how important sensitivity is to not condone hate speech and not condone anything of that nature. It’s sensitivity to the dialect around that.

“We don’t want to stand up for somebody in order to not condemn hate speech, but I don’t believe Kyrie Irving is antisemitic. And hopefully the NBA feels the same way

That's barely coherent.

Second, it's not his job to say "I don’t believe Kyrie Irving is antisemitic", just like it wasn't his job to initially stick with Kanye the anti-semite.  Screw Jaylen for enabling hate speech and the racists who spout it.

Somehow, fellow VPs Malcolm Brogdon and Grant Williams haven't spoken on Kyrie's behalf.  That's probably because they're not friends with two of the biggest anti-Semites in pop culture.

It's not gibberish. My lord.

That statement reads like English is his second language.  Sensitivity to the dialect?

I agree with you.  It actually sounds exactly how Kyrie speaks.  The first quote doesn't seem to say anything at all.

[gouki88]

I've been beating the Jaylen's-not-the-intellectual-he's-portrayed-as drum for a while.  Here's a 2018 post where I start to question it, partly attributed to this Jackie MacMullan quote:

“...a renaissance man, if you will. He’s probably not quite as much of that as he thinks he is- and I think sometimes that causes issues in their locker room. And I don’t think they dislike him Zach, but I think they’re like “what’s with this dude?”

This current stuff just adds to it.

I think the signs have been there for a while if you wanted to look for it.

Funnily enough, I compared Brown's intellect to that of Kyrie (taking classes at Harvard) and Kanye (honory doctorate, spoken at Harvard and Oxford) back in a 2019 post.   Never would have imagined Brown would have been so intertwined with those guys in 2022. 

Not surprised to see Nick on the other side though.  He's been a huge Jaylen-is-a-true-intellect supporter since Day 1.  If Nick ever changes his opinion on how smart/intelligent Jaylen is, then you know things have gotten really bad.

I do think that Brown has at least partially fallen down the rabbit-hole of trying to use flowery verbiage when it is absolutely not needed. I have also found his allegiances and public statements puzzling over the last while. I'm probably not quite willing to lump him in with Kyrie or Kanye (both of whom are far more unstable and dangerous), but I do think he needs to separate from that influence. Not sure it will happen.

I do chuckle at the honorary titles being given the same weight as actual academic pursuits.

[Kernewek]

I've been beating the Jaylen's-not-the-intellectual-he's-portrayed-as drum for a while.  Here's a 2018 post where I start to question it, partly attributed to this Jackie MacMullan quote:

“...a renaissance man, if you will. He’s probably not quite as much of that as he thinks he is- and I think sometimes that causes issues in their locker room. And I don’t think they dislike him Zach, but I think they’re like “what’s with this dude?”

This current stuff just adds to it.

I think the signs have been there for a while if you wanted to look for it.

Funnily enough, I compared Brown's intellect to that of Kyrie (taking classes at Harvard) and Kanye (honory doctorate, spoken at Harvard and Oxford) back in a 2019 post.   Never would have imagined Brown would have been so intertwined with those guys in 2022. 

Not surprised to see Nick on the other side though.  He's been a huge Jaylen-is-a-true-intellect supporter since Day 1.  If Nick ever changes his opinion on how smart/intelligent Jaylen is, then you know things have gotten really bad.

Can I be honest: I don't know what Jaylen's intellect has to do with any of this, and the preoccupation with making it apart of the conversation seems a little weird to me on all sides.

Smart people can hold bad positions. Dumb people can be morally pure of heart. There doesn't, to me, appear to be much correlation between how "smart" or "intellectual" one is and their opinions on most societal issues.

The same thinking applies to grammar/writing skill, the guy has one year in college he spent mostly playing basketball. I don't expect him to be a polished writer, and writing skill doesn't equal intelligence.

So the actual question is this: What to make of Jaylen's involvement in all of this? I guess my only real take is I don't like he's friends with kanye or kyrie, but don't mind that he stuck up for Donda. Beyond that I don't know taht we know much.

The thing is, as written Jaylen's words are unclear enough to cause ambiguity. we can get the gist, of course, but what he's actually saying as written is quite concerning (see earlier post) and I'm not 100% sure whether it's intentional or not.

[Roy H.]

Nick Cannon, still a highly-paid celebrity, still an Anti-Semite:

'I can wholeheartedly say I know Kyrie Irving is not anti-Semitic.'

Nick Cannon is comparing Kyrie Irving’s suspension conditions to the savage practice of buck-breaking done in slavery. On Tuesday (Nov. , the 2 Hate or Not 2 Hate Podcast, which appears to be cohosted by Cannon and Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt, shared a snippet of the debut episode on Instagram. In the clip, the duo discuss Kyrie Irving being issued a five-game suspension for sharing an anti-Semitic documentary on social media. Nick, who has faced his own anti-Semitic issues in the past, defended the Brooklyn Nets point-guard. 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Nick Cannon responded, “So in that same statement as, ‘Those are the tropes that dehumanize Jewish people,’ the same buck-breaking…” He was then cut short by Greenblatt and asked to define the term “buck-breaking.” “The slave masters would bring the buck, the one that gets out of line, so all the other slaves would see, lash after lash, show them the power to set an example,” Cannon explained. “This is what you must do to fall in line. So, when we see the six things that Kyrie must do to get his job back, that’s dehumanizing.” 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Kyrie is the victim, Kyrie is the one being dehumanized, Kyrie is being treated like a slave.  Interesting take, coming from somebody who has spouted the same sort of hate speech that Kyrie has.

[Vermont Green]

Nick Cannon, still a highly-paid celebrity, still an Anti-Semite:

'I can wholeheartedly say I know Kyrie Irving is not anti-Semitic.'

Nick Cannon is comparing Kyrie Irving’s suspension conditions to the savage practice of buck-breaking done in slavery. On Tuesday (Nov. , the 2 Hate or Not 2 Hate Podcast, which appears to be cohosted by Cannon and Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt, shared a snippet of the debut episode on Instagram. In the clip, the duo discuss Kyrie Irving being issued a five-game suspension for sharing an anti-Semitic documentary on social media. Nick, who has faced his own anti-Semitic issues in the past, defended the Brooklyn Nets point-guard. 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Nick Cannon responded, “So in that same statement as, ‘Those are the tropes that dehumanize Jewish people,’ the same buck-breaking…” He was then cut short by Greenblatt and asked to define the term “buck-breaking.” “The slave masters would bring the buck, the one that gets out of line, so all the other slaves would see, lash after lash, show them the power to set an example,” Cannon explained. “This is what you must do to fall in line. So, when we see the six things that Kyrie must do to get his job back, that’s dehumanizing.” 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Kyrie is the victim, Kyrie is the one being dehumanized, Kyrie is being treated like a slave.  Interesting take, coming from somebody who has spouted the same sort of hate speech that Kyrie has.

I don't know anything about Nick Cannon but that equivalency is crazy.  He is clearly just looking for attention.  Even for those sympathetic to Kyrie, this isn't going to help.

I will say though that I thought is was strange that the team went public with the specific list of things they had demanded Kyrie do.  It wasn't the items on the list as much as how it was handled overall.  Handling it the way they did is not going to help things get resolved.  Just the opposite.  Maybe that was their plan all along.

[Roy H.]

Nick Cannon, still a highly-paid celebrity, still an Anti-Semite:

'I can wholeheartedly say I know Kyrie Irving is not anti-Semitic.'

Nick Cannon is comparing Kyrie Irving’s suspension conditions to the savage practice of buck-breaking done in slavery. On Tuesday (Nov. , the 2 Hate or Not 2 Hate Podcast, which appears to be cohosted by Cannon and Anti-Defamation League CEO Jonathan Greenblatt, shared a snippet of the debut episode on Instagram. In the clip, the duo discuss Kyrie Irving being issued a five-game suspension for sharing an anti-Semitic documentary on social media. Nick, who has faced his own anti-Semitic issues in the past, defended the Brooklyn Nets point-guard. 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Nick Cannon responded, “So in that same statement as, ‘Those are the tropes that dehumanize Jewish people,’ the same buck-breaking…” He was then cut short by Greenblatt and asked to define the term “buck-breaking.” “The slave masters would bring the buck, the one that gets out of line, so all the other slaves would see, lash after lash, show them the power to set an example,” Cannon explained. “This is what you must do to fall in line. So, when we see the six things that Kyrie must do to get his job back, that’s dehumanizing.” 1 hour ago – via XXL Mag

Kyrie is the victim, Kyrie is the one being dehumanized, Kyrie is being treated like a slave.  Interesting take, coming from somebody who has spouted the same sort of hate speech that Kyrie has.

I don't know anything about Nick Cannon but that equivalency is crazy.  He is clearly just looking for attention.  Even for those sympathetic to Kyrie, this isn't going to help.

I will say though that I thought is was strange that the team went public with the specific list of things they had demanded Kyrie do.  It wasn't the items on the list as much as how it was handled overall.  Handling it the way they did is not going to help things get resolved.  Just the opposite.  Maybe that was their plan all along.

Nick Cannon -- host of the Masked Singer, among other ventures -- was fired and then rehired by CBS over anti-Semitic comments.  He allegedly "apologized" -- in a very Kyrie way, citing the harm he had caused rather than apologizing for his beliefs themselves.  ""Are you forcing me to say the words ‘I’m sorry’?," he questions. "Are you making me bow down, ’cause then again, that would be perpetuating that same rhetoric that we’re trying to get away from."

Here's what he said about Caucasians and others that lack melanin / "pigment":

"Our melanin is so power[ful] and it connects us in a way that the reason why [White people] fear us is because of the lack that they have of it," Nick explains. "When you have a person that has the lack of pigment, the lack of melanin, they know that they will be annihilated. So, therefore, however they got the power, they have the lack of compassion. Melanin comes with compassion, melanin comes with soul."

Nick then expounds on his point. "The people that don't have [melanin] are a little less...," he continues, noting that he is trying to be cognizant of his wording. "They may not have the compassion when they were sent to the mountains of Caucasus when they didn't have the power of the Sun. The Sun then started to deteriorate them so then, they're acting out of fear, they're acting out of low self-esteem, they're acting out of a deficiency. So, therefore, the only way that they can act is evil. They have to rob, steal, rape, kill in order to survive. So then, these people that didn't have what we have—and when I say we, I speak of the melanated people—they had to be savages."

"They had to be barbaric because they're in these Nordic mountains," Nick tells. "They're in these rough torrential environments. So, they're acting as animals. So, they're the ones that are actually closer to animals. They're the ones that are actually the true savages."

But, nobody cared much about the anti-white stuff, and Cannon never apologized for that. 

On July 12, Jewish Insider reported that Cannon said in a 2019 episode of “Cannon’s Class” − Cannon’s YouTube talk show − that recently went viral on Twitter that people are “giving too much power to the ‘they’ — and then the ‘they’ turns into the Illuminati, the Zionists, the Rothschilds.”

He also said of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, “Every time I’ve heard him speak, it’s positive, it’s powerful, it’s uplifting … for whatever reason, he’s been demonized.”

Additionally, Cannon claimed “the semitic people are the Black people” and that “you can’t be anti-Semitic when we are the semitic people. When we are the same people who they want to be. That’s our birthright.”

"It's never hate speech, you can't be anti-Semitic when we are the Semitic people," Cannon said. "When we are the same people who they want to be. That's our birthright. We are the true Hebrews."

Sound familiar?

[Donoghus]

Cannon should go back to talking about family planning.

[Kernewek]

I mean let's be honest here there's nothing to get offended about because this is just hilarious nonsense:

They may not have the compassion when they were sent to the mountains of Caucasus when they didn't have the power of the Sun. The Sun then started to deteriorate them so then, they're acting out of fear, they're acting out of low self-esteem, they're acting out of a deficiency.

Actual chuckles from me (I don't keep up with Nick Cannon so this is the first I've seen of it).

Incidentally it is a funny thing about the word Caucasian - no one in the same or adjacent continents to the dreaded and deadly mountains of Caucasus uses it. It's basically a North American term for 'white folks', to the point where even Wikipedia will tell you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

[Vermont Green]

Cannon and Kyrie seem to be getting hung up on the term or label anti-Semitic.  Their views are just hateful, bigoted.  It took white America generations to begin to learn that you should not make generalized statements or assumptions about a whole race of people.  Now we have people of color, who must not have been paying attention to what their ancestors were subjected to, making the same mistake.  Making assumptions about an entire race of people based on skin color.

Like I said earlier, even if you are on Kyrie's side, this is not going to help.  Doubling or tripling down with the race card.  Referencing even wilder conspiracy theories or beliefs.  Kyrie now either needs to distance himself from this or it is going to be worse for him (the Nets will probably add this to the list).  Cannon is doing to Kyrie exactly what he is critical of the Nets for.  Forcing Kyrie to either publicly condone this or by default, have it attached to him.

This is all fringe stuff.  I am sure the Q-Anon crowd will have a field day with it.  See, black people really do want to steal America from the white people.  Trump wouldn't say a bad thing about Q-Anon.  Said they seem to like him which he appreciated.  In general, the stop the steal wing of the republican party is pretty quiet when it comes to criticizing Q-Anon and the like.  Some actually amplify it (replacement theory for example).    The Democrat party needs to make sure there is not a wing of their party that makes this same mistake.

[Moranis]

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1590501926399283200?s=20&t=iQ8qjWWwCtopar8ICVPA4w

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1590501926399283200?s=20&t=iQ8qjWWwCtopar8ICVPA4w

Insane how many people you see in social media comments supporting Kyrie and these long debunked claims. This is the exact reason this kind of stuff is so dangerous for people of that stays to promote. It just breathes more life into it.

[Kernewek]

https://twitter.com/getnickwright/status/1590501926399283200?s=20&t=iQ8qjWWwCtopar8ICVPA4w

Insane how many people you see in social media comments supporting Kyrie and these long debunked claims. This is the exact reason this kind of stuff is so dangerous for people of that stays to promote. It just breathes more life into it.

Yeah. While it can be contentious, deplatforming works. But Kyrie wasn't the first BHI and he won't be the last.