NBA Season 2022-23

[RJ87]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

[Goldstar88]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

[RJ87]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment, in Minny - he forced his way out because he didn't like playing with KAT, and in Philly - didn't want to share ball handling with Simmons and clashed Brett Brown. He's even bumped heads with Spo but Spo just doesn't back down and has Riley's support). He might mesh with Dame and it works itself out, but it's not a sure thing. I definitely don't think he's gonna just defer naturally.

[jpotter33]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

That seems to be the only logical explanation with his motivations.

[RJ87]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

That seems to be the only logical explanation with his motivations.

Or he simply doesn't want to play in Boston? He wouldn't be the first star that didn't want to (Anthony Davis most recently).

Or he thinks Miami and New York are more attractive from a living standpoint. Then that's that pesky race reputation - whether it's currently deserved or not I'm not interested in debated, it's a real issue. I told this story before, but when I told my grandmother that I was going to college in Boston in 2005, she darn near staged an intervention.

[Goldstar88]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment, in Minny - he forced his way out because he didn't like playing with KAT, and in Philly - didn't want to share ball handling with Simmons and clashed Brett Brown. He's even bumped heads with Spo but Spo just doesn't back down and has Riley's support). He might mesh with Dame and it works itself out, but it's not a sure thing. I definitely don't think he's gonna just defer naturally.

This season Jimmy Butler led the Heat in APG and was 3rd in shot attempts per game with 13.9. Bam was at 14.6 and Herro was 16.6

It seems like he is a player that's fine deferring to his teammates.

[Who]

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment,

I was listening to a podcast with Stacey King. The former Bulls big man from their first three peat and I believe he is an annoucer for the team nowadays. He was talking about that Jimmy Butler vs Derrick Rose beef. He says that was all started and created by the media. They were trying to force a dispute between the two of them. That they were actually close and Rose was very supportive of Jimmy. That the stuff in the media was all lies and nonsense. Trying to draw a wedge between the two of them.

He has a pretty decent podcast. I was listening to interviews with Scottie Pippen and another with Phil Jackson. Sharing stories of their time on the Bulls.

Anyway, it was interesting to hear his perspective as a team insider on that D-Rose vs Jimmy situation.

[Moranis]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment, in Minny - he forced his way out because he didn't like playing with KAT, and in Philly - didn't want to share ball handling with Simmons and clashed Brett Brown. He's even bumped heads with Spo but Spo just doesn't back down and has Riley's support). He might mesh with Dame and it works itself out, but it's not a sure thing. I definitely don't think he's gonna just defer naturally.

This season Jimmy Butler led the Heat in APG and was 3rd in shot attempts per game with 13.9. Bam was at 14.6 and Herro was 16.6

It seems like he is a player that's fine deferring to his teammates.

Brown had basically the same number of attempts that Lillard had this year and Tatum was 2nd on the C's in apg.  He'd get plenty of shots in Boston.  I think it would be about perception on whose team it is and in that the Heat are Butler's team.  I think the C's would be more likely to be Lillard's team than the Heat would.

All that said, if I was a young multi-millionaire that dabbles in entertainment and all sorts of industries, I'd much rather live in Miami than Boston.  Of course, unless the Heat are willing to trade Bam, I'm not sure they could put together a package that is anywhere near as attractive as the one Boston or a handful of other eastern teams could put together.

[RJ87]

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment,

I was listening to a podcast with Stacey King. The former Bulls big man from their first three peat and I believe he is an annoucer for the team nowadays. He was talking about that Jimmy Butler vs Derrick Rose beef. He says that was all started and created by the media. They were trying to force a dispute between the two of them. That they were actually close and Rose was very supportive of Jimmy. That the stuff in the media was all lies and nonsense. Trying to draw a wedge between the two of them.

He has a pretty decent podcast. I was listening to interviews with Scottie Pippen and another with Phil Jackson. Sharing stories of their time on the Bulls.

Anyway, it was interesting to hear his perspective as a team insider on that D-Rose vs Jimmy situation.

Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose both confirmed there were issues, Jimmy didn't even dress in the locker room with them. Noah also said he and Jimmy didn't speak for a few years after he and Derrick were traded to NY.

“Lots of weird stuff was going on, though. I wasn’t sure what it was about, but Jimmy didn’t dress with us. That season he was always dressing with the coaches, didn’t stay in the locker room,” Rose said in his book. “Got to say, I never did see that before. To separate yourself from the team. How the h*ll do you think we’re a team when that’s going on? Of course, I got the blame. But Jo saw it, he and Jimmy were at it. There was a lot of fracturing.”

https://www.sportscasting.com/derrick-rose-once-revealed-what-happened-between-jimmy-butler-and-joakim-noah-during-the-bulls-putrid-2015-16-season/

[celticsclay]

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment,

I was listening to a podcast with Stacey King. The former Bulls big man from their first three peat and I believe he is an annoucer for the team nowadays. He was talking about that Jimmy Butler vs Derrick Rose beef. He says that was all started and created by the media. They were trying to force a dispute between the two of them. That they were actually close and Rose was very supportive of Jimmy. That the stuff in the media was all lies and nonsense. Trying to draw a wedge between the two of them.

He has a pretty decent podcast. I was listening to interviews with Scottie Pippen and another with Phil Jackson. Sharing stories of their time on the Bulls.

Anyway, it was interesting to hear his perspective as a team insider on that D-Rose vs Jimmy situation.

Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose both confirmed there were issues, Jimmy didn't even dress in the locker room with them. Noah also said he and Jimmy didn't speak for a few years after he and Derrick were traded to NY.

“Lots of weird stuff was going on, though. I wasn’t sure what it was about, but Jimmy didn’t dress with us. That season he was always dressing with the coaches, didn’t stay in the locker room,” Rose said in his book. “Got to say, I never did see that before. To separate yourself from the team. How the h*ll do you think we’re a team when that’s going on? Of course, I got the blame. But Jo saw it, he and Jimmy were at it. There was a lot of fracturing.”

https://www.sportscasting.com/derrick-rose-once-revealed-what-happened-between-jimmy-butler-and-joakim-noah-during-the-bulls-putrid-2015-16-season/

Interesting post, doesn’t seem like the media created that.

[celticsclay]

Damian Lillard on future in Portland: If we don't use our assets to build a competitive team, a separate conversation will need to be had

Clutch Points: “I want to have an opportunity to win in Portland… We got an opportunity, asset-wise, to build a team that can compete. If we can’t do that… then it’s a separate conversation we would have to have” Damian Lillard on the Blazers’ future (via @SHOsports)

Report also came out recently that they consider sharpe untouchable. Lilliard trade actually seems possible now

I’d give him a 2 year window before his game starts dropping off. Small guards don’t age well and he’s going to be 33 next month. Portland would be wise to move on at this point.

Like how Curry has dropped off? Chris Paul at 35 still had two All-Star seasons left. Nash had 3 good years post-35.

Gouki this is an interesting topic. I do think the notable exceptions the last few years (Lebron, curry, Paul) has made us think players are playing effectively longer but in reality that is not the case. I believe on one of the playoff games they were seeing this was the youngest the league has ever been and explained the speed, pace and amount of movement has really hurt veterans. For the examples of those effective old players there are plenty of counter examples like wall, Kemba Walker, rondo, Conley, IT, tony Parker, Derrick rose, Kyle Lowry. I get that a lot of these guys had injuries by they are the majority of small point guards from the last 10-12 years. Almost all of them fell off a cliff by the time they were 33-34 if they were even still in the league. Paul is definitely an exception for small guards (and even he has gotten injured almost every post season).

I don’t know that examples like IT, Kemba & Rose are comparable due to their injuries. The former two went from All-Star calibre to unplayable within month. Rose had a bit of a resurgence, but has faded.

None of those guys you mentioned have ever been as good as Dame (barring young Rose). Rondo was maybe similar insofar as being a top 3-5 PG in the comp, but he was not the same level.

So my point is also that Dame falling off will still leave him as an All-Star level player. I think he has 2 seasons of All-NBA level play left, followed by 2-3 of All-Star level play. I think that gamble is worth it.

I would agree most of those guys were not quite as good as Lilliard, but they were all stars (except Conley who would have been if he wasn’t dealing with the loaded west his whole career). Many of them were multi time all star and are probably the best small guards of the last decade outside of Paul. I do think it is fair to say Paul and curry are very much an exception compared to the rest of the small guards and it is fair to wonder if Lilliard will an all star at 35 or 36.

Edit add Gary Payton to the list. He was pretty done as a star after his age 34 season.

[Who]

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment,

I was listening to a podcast with Stacey King. The former Bulls big man from their first three peat and I believe he is an annoucer for the team nowadays. He was talking about that Jimmy Butler vs Derrick Rose beef. He says that was all started and created by the media. They were trying to force a dispute between the two of them. That they were actually close and Rose was very supportive of Jimmy. That the stuff in the media was all lies and nonsense. Trying to draw a wedge between the two of them.

He has a pretty decent podcast. I was listening to interviews with Scottie Pippen and another with Phil Jackson. Sharing stories of their time on the Bulls.

Anyway, it was interesting to hear his perspective as a team insider on that D-Rose vs Jimmy situation.

Joakim Noah and Derrick Rose both confirmed there were issues, Jimmy didn't even dress in the locker room with them. Noah also said he and Jimmy didn't speak for a few years after he and Derrick were traded to NY.

“Lots of weird stuff was going on, though. I wasn’t sure what it was about, but Jimmy didn’t dress with us. That season he was always dressing with the coaches, didn’t stay in the locker room,” Rose said in his book. “Got to say, I never did see that before. To separate yourself from the team. How the h*ll do you think we’re a team when that’s going on? Of course, I got the blame. But Jo saw it, he and Jimmy were at it. There was a lot of fracturing.”

https://www.sportscasting.com/derrick-rose-once-revealed-what-happened-between-jimmy-butler-and-joakim-noah-during-the-bulls-putrid-2015-16-season/

Interesting post, doesn’t seem like the media created that.

Yep. Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing. 

[jpotter33]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment, in Minny - he forced his way out because he didn't like playing with KAT, and in Philly - didn't want to share ball handling with Simmons and clashed Brett Brown. He's even bumped heads with Spo but Spo just doesn't back down and has Riley's support). He might mesh with Dame and it works itself out, but it's not a sure thing. I definitely don't think he's gonna just defer naturally.

This season Jimmy Butler led the Heat in APG and was 3rd in shot attempts per game with 13.9. Bam was at 14.6 and Herro was 16.6

It seems like he is a player that's fine deferring to his teammates.

Brown had basically the same number of attempts that Lillard had this year and Tatum was 2nd on the C's in apg.  He'd get plenty of shots in Boston.  I think it would be about perception on whose team it is and in that the Heat are Butler's team.  I think the C's would be more likely to be Lillard's team than the Heat would.

All that said, if I was a young multi-millionaire that dabbles in entertainment and all sorts of industries, I'd much rather live in Miami than Boston.  Of course, unless the Heat are willing to trade Bam, I'm not sure they could put together a package that is anywhere near as attractive as the one Boston or a handful of other eastern teams could put together.

Eh, this is pretty clearly Tatum’s team, especially given that at 8-9 years younger Tatum’s resume already rivals Lillard in awards and swamps him in winning in both the regular season and playoffs. Dane coming here doesn’t change that, which I do think is a factor.

I can see the nightlife/marketing opportunities in Miami and Brooklyn better appeal to him, but if he’s “all about winning” like he says, Boston is clearly the best option for both him and likely even Portland.

But as much as I think Brown is not a great fit for us as a two star behind JT, I’d much rather find other ways to better complement the Jays (particularly with ball handling and playmaking - like a CP3) than trade for Lillard. Hell, I’d take a Trae trade over Lillard. I’m just not ready to risk it all for another older point guard with a health history.

[RJ87]

Per Haynes, this is all a fantasy anyways, as Dame reportedly wouldn’t accept a trade to Boston.

https://twitter.com/thenbacentral/status/1666931292162727936?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

Find this hard to believe. I can see him stating a preference for Miami or Brooklyn due to friends being there, but what would the rationale be for not wanting Boston given our situation? Or is this more of the IT injury narrative non-sense?

(Not that we’re trading for him anyways, but still I find this strange. Also, Haynes was wrong just yesterday about the CP3 report, so perhaps his credibility is waning.)

Haynes is usually pretty locked in with Dame related stuff. Dame has given him some "exclusive" interviews over the years. He's been Dame's preferred mouthpiece when the offseason/trade chatter starts up.

He probably wants to be THE guy on whatever team he may be traded to. He ain’t going to be top dog in Boston. If he goes to Miami, Butler would be fine deferring. In Brooklyn, he’d be the top option ahead of Bridges.

Jimmy defer? Jimmy is a dominant personality and he like the spotlight. I think people forget that he's had issues on every team he's been on (in Chicago - he couldn't share the spotlight with Rose, fell out with Joakim Noah, publicly called out his younger teammates during the Rondo/Wade experiment, in Minny - he forced his way out because he didn't like playing with KAT, and in Philly - didn't want to share ball handling with Simmons and clashed Brett Brown. He's even bumped heads with Spo but Spo just doesn't back down and has Riley's support). He might mesh with Dame and it works itself out, but it's not a sure thing. I definitely don't think he's gonna just defer naturally.

This season Jimmy Butler led the Heat in APG and was 3rd in shot attempts per game with 13.9. Bam was at 14.6 and Herro was 16.6

It seems like he is a player that's fine deferring to his teammates.

Brown had basically the same number of attempts that Lillard had this year and Tatum was 2nd on the C's in apg.  He'd get plenty of shots in Boston.  I think it would be about perception on whose team it is and in that the Heat are Butler's team.  I think the C's would be more likely to be Lillard's team than the Heat would.

All that said, if I was a young multi-millionaire that dabbles in entertainment and all sorts of industries, I'd much rather live in Miami than Boston.  Of course, unless the Heat are willing to trade Bam, I'm not sure they could put together a package that is anywhere near as attractive as the one Boston or a handful of other eastern teams could put together.

Eh, this is pretty clearly Tatum’s team, especially given that at 8-9 years younger Tatum’s resume already rivals Lillard in awards and swamps him in winning in both the regular season and playoffs. Dane coming here doesn’t change that, which I do think is a factor.

I can see the nightlife/marketing opportunities in Miami and Brooklyn better appeal to him, but if he’s “all about winning” like he says, Boston is clearly the best option for both him and likely even Portland.

But as much as I think Brown is not a great fit for us as a two star behind JT, I’d much rather find other ways to better complement the Jays (particularly with ball handling and playmaking - like a CP3) than trade for Lillard. Hell, I’d take a Trae trade over Lillard. I’m just not ready to risk it all for another older point guard with a health history.

That's what it comes down to. Does he actually care about winning or is that line just part of an image he's selling? He's spent his prime in Portland, but when have they ever been a real threat to come out of the West, let alone win a title?

And the teams he's supposedly keyed in on don't exactly have rabid fanbases with champion or bust expectations. You can practically pencil in the Celtics for an ECF appearance every year which is a position most NBA fanbases would love to be in, but a lot our fans are clamoring to break up the team. If he stays in Portland or goes to Brooklyn/Miami, he doesn't have to deal with that. Portland will continue to eat up the loyalty talk. Miami are the scrappy, undrafted underdogs that are competitive but no one actually believes they'll win, and he'll be fine with Nets fans as long as he avoids a Kyrie/KD/Harden flameout.

I think he'd like to win - all NBA players do on some level - but I don't think it's his primary basketball priority.

[Birdman]

Bam, Butler & Lillard be very tough to handle