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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3795 on: May 17, 2023, 01:24:54 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball

It's a MASSIVE win for the viewers if Jackson is hired though  :)

Indeed. I've heard "Hand down, man down!" and "Mama, there goes that man!" enough to last the rest of my life, LOL.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3796 on: May 17, 2023, 01:30:58 PM »

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I'd like to see Mark Jackson get another head coaching gig. I am surprised he hasn't gotten another opportunity.

I thought he did a lot of good things in his time in GSW. He helped build that foundation that became a title winners. He built that defensive mentality. He built up the young guys (Klay, H Barnes) and got them to play the right way. He enabled Steph & Klay's free wheeling jump-shooting style. He built up the bench & team chemistry. A lot of good things.

His offense was too iso-orientated. And he failed to see Draymond's potential as a starting PF instead viewing him as a tweener SF/PF who couldn't shoot well enough to play big minutes.

Still, there is enough good stuff,  really big positives, that I see Mark Jackson as more than deserving of another opportunity. Not sure I'd give him a title contender! But hey, good for him if he gets it. I don't much like Milwaukee anyway so not concerned if it backfires for them!

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3797 on: May 17, 2023, 01:36:23 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224


Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3798 on: May 17, 2023, 01:39:42 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224

Harden wants to be the man again. His own team. Built around his strengths. Not playing #2 to Embiid and havin to sacrifice all the time to feed Embiid. Or trying to fit around Kyrie & Durant.

No criticism from me for that. I like seeing guys choose to be their best self. Harden is an offensive engine; he does best when things are built around him.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3799 on: May 17, 2023, 01:42:02 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball

It's a MASSIVE win for the viewers if Jackson is hired though  :)

Indeed. I've heard "Hand down, man down!" and "Mama, there goes that man!" enough to last the rest of my life, LOL.

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3800 on: May 17, 2023, 01:50:48 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224

Harden wants to be the man again. His own team. Built around his strengths. Not playing #2 to Embiid and havin to sacrifice all the time to feed Embiid. Or trying to fit around Kyrie & Durant.

No criticism from me for that. I like seeing guys choose to be their best self. Harden is an offensive engine; he does best when things are built around him.

Harden will be 34 years old this summer and he's already lost a step or two. His days of being the man on a good team are long gone and I'm sure he knows that. He wants a big, long term contract and no responsibilities.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3801 on: May 17, 2023, 02:20:55 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224

Harden wants to be the man again. His own team. Built around his strengths. Not playing #2 to Embiid and havin to sacrifice all the time to feed Embiid. Or trying to fit around Kyrie & Durant.

No criticism from me for that. I like seeing guys choose to be their best self. Harden is an offensive engine; he does best when things are built around him.

Harden will be 34 years old this summer and he's already lost a step or two. His days of being the man on a good team are long gone and I'm sure he knows that. He wants a big, long term contract and no responsibilities.

Also is he planning to get back into shape again? This guy is clearly not built for a long playoff run. Was looking gassed late in some of those games. Even if they won Game 7, I think he'd be dead by the ECF.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3802 on: May 17, 2023, 02:55:46 PM »

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With all these coaches in the market, idk what Dallas is thinking keeping Kidd. Unless Doncic and Kyrie love Kidd and want him to stay, getting anyone (even Doc) would be a huge upgrade for that team
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3803 on: May 17, 2023, 03:50:19 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball
is it? I can't say Jackson is a worse coach than Nurse or Williams.

Thos coaches have been to the finals and one won it all. What has Jackson done? At least it would get him off of TV.

Yeah.  Jackson was replaced in Golden State and they immediately became a dynasty.  That's a clear sign of failure to me.
Jackson was there for 3 years.  He took over a rebuilding team, lost Curry for basically a year, and then built them up.  He was let go for personality things not coaching. 

Nick Nurse took over a 59 win team that added one of the best players in the sport his first season and has gotten progressively and significantly worse since then.

Monty failed in New Orleans, had a fluke run to the Finals based mostly on other team injuries, and has failed miserably getting blown out in close out games in consecutive seasons, once in a major upset.

I have no idea if Mark Jackson is any better than Nurse or Williams, which was the point I was making.  Nurse and Monty aren't Spoelstra and it is weird people are acting like they are.  Jackson is a horrid announcer, but he wasn't a trainwreck at coach either and has a winning record in 3 seasons when one of them a young Curry barely played and they won just 23 games. Maybe Jackson couldn't have won with Curry, or maybe he got them right in the cusp and they let him go for personality reasons, but had they not he'd be sitting there with multiple titles.  Curry was 25, Klay and Dray were 23 Jackson's last season.  You know when they were right on the cusp of their prime.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3804 on: May 17, 2023, 03:58:38 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224

Harden wants to be the man again. His own team. Built around his strengths. Not playing #2 to Embiid and havin to sacrifice all the time to feed Embiid. Or trying to fit around Kyrie & Durant.

No criticism from me for that. I like seeing guys choose to be their best self. Harden is an offensive engine; he does best when things are built around him.

Harden will be 34 years old this summer and he's already lost a step or two. His days of being the man on a good team are long gone and I'm sure he knows that. He wants a big, long term contract and no responsibilities.

Bingo!  If you are a Philly fan you have to be so frustrated, this is just another in the long list of things that didn't turn out right since their rebuild.  Q would Harden even have stayed if the won the title this year?  I don't think so.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3805 on: May 17, 2023, 04:18:21 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball
is it? I can't say Jackson is a worse coach than Nurse or Williams.

Thos coaches have been to the finals and one won it all. What has Jackson done? At least it would get him off of TV.

Yeah.  Jackson was replaced in Golden State and they immediately became a dynasty.  That's a clear sign of failure to me.
Jackson was there for 3 years.  He took over a rebuilding team, lost Curry for basically a year, and then built them up.  He was let go for personality things not coaching. 

Nick Nurse took over a 59 win team that added one of the best players in the sport his first season and has gotten progressively and significantly worse since then.

Monty failed in New Orleans, had a fluke run to the Finals based mostly on other team injuries, and has failed miserably getting blown out in close out games in consecutive seasons, once in a major upset.

I have no idea if Mark Jackson is any better than Nurse or Williams, which was the point I was making.  Nurse and Monty aren't Spoelstra and it is weird people are acting like they are.  Jackson is a horrid announcer, but he wasn't a trainwreck at coach either and has a winning record in 3 seasons when one of them a young Curry barely played and they won just 23 games. Maybe Jackson couldn't have won with Curry, or maybe he got them right in the cusp and they let him go for personality reasons, but had they not he'd be sitting there with multiple titles.  Curry was 25, Klay and Dray were 23 Jackson's last season.  You know when they were right on the cusp of their prime.

This is a very peculiar argument to say he was let for “personality not coaching.” Your personality is literally half of coaching. David blatt was clearly a very strong X’s and O’s Coach but had a terrible personality for the NBA. Doc rivers has been an average coach for a long time but has gotten chance after chance to coach because he had a good personality. Jackson obviously has some pretty severe issues as a coach to not get another job for almost a decade. Meanwhile everyone has nurse on their list 1 month after he was let go. What would a possible explanation be for this if they were similar coaches? Racism? All gms are idiots?

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3806 on: May 17, 2023, 04:37:32 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball
is it? I can't say Jackson is a worse coach than Nurse or Williams.

Thos coaches have been to the finals and one won it all. What has Jackson done? At least it would get him off of TV.

Yeah.  Jackson was replaced in Golden State and they immediately became a dynasty.  That's a clear sign of failure to me.
Jackson was there for 3 years.  He took over a rebuilding team, lost Curry for basically a year, and then built them up.  He was let go for personality things not coaching. 

Nick Nurse took over a 59 win team that added one of the best players in the sport his first season and has gotten progressively and significantly worse since then.

Monty failed in New Orleans, had a fluke run to the Finals based mostly on other team injuries, and has failed miserably getting blown out in close out games in consecutive seasons, once in a major upset.

I have no idea if Mark Jackson is any better than Nurse or Williams, which was the point I was making.  Nurse and Monty aren't Spoelstra and it is weird people are acting like they are.  Jackson is a horrid announcer, but he wasn't a trainwreck at coach either and has a winning record in 3 seasons when one of them a young Curry barely played and they won just 23 games. Maybe Jackson couldn't have won with Curry, or maybe he got them right in the cusp and they let him go for personality reasons, but had they not he'd be sitting there with multiple titles.  Curry was 25, Klay and Dray were 23 Jackson's last season.  You know when they were right on the cusp of their prime.

Immediately after Jackson was fired, essentially the same Golden State team won 67 games (Jackson's high was 51) and a championship.

Again, he won 51 games.  With a healthy Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes, Bogut, Speights, Lee, etc.  He then lost in the first round.

That's incompetence personified. 







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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3807 on: May 17, 2023, 04:43:04 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball
is it? I can't say Jackson is a worse coach than Nurse or Williams.

Thos coaches have been to the finals and one won it all. What has Jackson done? At least it would get him off of TV.

Yeah.  Jackson was replaced in Golden State and they immediately became a dynasty.  That's a clear sign of failure to me.
Jackson was there for 3 years.  He took over a rebuilding team, lost Curry for basically a year, and then built them up.  He was let go for personality things not coaching. 

Nick Nurse took over a 59 win team that added one of the best players in the sport his first season and has gotten progressively and significantly worse since then.

Monty failed in New Orleans, had a fluke run to the Finals based mostly on other team injuries, and has failed miserably getting blown out in close out games in consecutive seasons, once in a major upset.

I have no idea if Mark Jackson is any better than Nurse or Williams, which was the point I was making.  Nurse and Monty aren't Spoelstra and it is weird people are acting like they are.  Jackson is a horrid announcer, but he wasn't a trainwreck at coach either and has a winning record in 3 seasons when one of them a young Curry barely played and they won just 23 games. Maybe Jackson couldn't have won with Curry, or maybe he got them right in the cusp and they let him go for personality reasons, but had they not he'd be sitting there with multiple titles.  Curry was 25, Klay and Dray were 23 Jackson's last season.  You know when they were right on the cusp of their prime.

Immediately after Jackson was fired, essentially the same Golden State team won 67 games (Jackson's high was 51) and a championship.

Again, he won 51 games.  With a healthy Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes, Bogut, Speights, Lee, etc.  He then lost in the first round.

That's incompetence personified.

I think Mark Jackson was competent in that season. What he showed was inflexibility in basketball intelligence. He had a set way he thought things should work, and it wasn't going to work with that team. Playing traditional basketball with those players wasn't going to win championships. That's why he was fired. Still, he did help those guys develop and got them to the playoffs. He may eventually have helped them make it further too.

But he lacked the creativity that Kerr brought. That's really not an indictment against him. Every coach lacks Kerr's creativity. That system is brilliant and absolutely unique in modern basketball.

I'd love Jackson to get a coaching job just so I don't have to listen to his commentary. He's truly incompetent there.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3808 on: May 17, 2023, 04:48:01 PM »

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Harden opting out, wants 'the basketball freedom to be himself', aka doesn't want to be coached.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1658876918987358224

Harden wants to be the man again. His own team. Built around his strengths. Not playing #2 to Embiid and havin to sacrifice all the time to feed Embiid. Or trying to fit around Kyrie & Durant.

No criticism from me for that. I like seeing guys choose to be their best self. Harden is an offensive engine; he does best when things are built around him.

What's his best?

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #3809 on: May 17, 2023, 05:03:27 PM »

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I really hope he gets it.  :laugh:

The Bucks are expected to interview Mark Jackson for their vacant head coach position, The Athletic’s Shams Charania reports.
Oh my goodness that would be good. If they hired Jackson instead of Nurse or Williams, that would be brilliant (and mad!!)

Fingers crossed. Poor Giannis though.
Yeah, it would be a brutal waste of that big 3. Good for us, bad for basketball
is it? I can't say Jackson is a worse coach than Nurse or Williams.

Thos coaches have been to the finals and one won it all. What has Jackson done? At least it would get him off of TV.

Yeah.  Jackson was replaced in Golden State and they immediately became a dynasty.  That's a clear sign of failure to me.
Jackson was there for 3 years.  He took over a rebuilding team, lost Curry for basically a year, and then built them up.  He was let go for personality things not coaching. 

Nick Nurse took over a 59 win team that added one of the best players in the sport his first season and has gotten progressively and significantly worse since then.

Monty failed in New Orleans, had a fluke run to the Finals based mostly on other team injuries, and has failed miserably getting blown out in close out games in consecutive seasons, once in a major upset.

I have no idea if Mark Jackson is any better than Nurse or Williams, which was the point I was making.  Nurse and Monty aren't Spoelstra and it is weird people are acting like they are.  Jackson is a horrid announcer, but he wasn't a trainwreck at coach either and has a winning record in 3 seasons when one of them a young Curry barely played and they won just 23 games. Maybe Jackson couldn't have won with Curry, or maybe he got them right in the cusp and they let him go for personality reasons, but had they not he'd be sitting there with multiple titles.  Curry was 25, Klay and Dray were 23 Jackson's last season.  You know when they were right on the cusp of their prime.

Immediately after Jackson was fired, essentially the same Golden State team won 67 games (Jackson's high was 51) and a championship.

Again, he won 51 games.  With a healthy Curry, Thompson, Iguodala, Barnes, Bogut, Speights, Lee, etc.  He then lost in the first round.

That's incompetence personified.

How much of that was those players continuing to gel and develop? No doubt they took off with Kerr, but they did develop with Jackson.