NBA Season 2022-23

[Donoghus]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

I really wonder how much longer Kyrie will even play.  I totally see him just bailing and calling it a career and make some statement of mumbo jumbo about leaving to go on some crusade to enlighten people.

[Phantom255x]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

Oh I completely agree. But look what keeps happening. Westbrook was considered untradeable, Lakers actually traded him for a solid return. Simmons was also considered untradeable, he got traded and not only that, but the Sixers got back HARDEN from that. Irving keeps causing trouble everywhere he goes, other teams still go after him. We always make the case why something won't happen due to ego/toxicity/contract yet it usually does in some way.

There might just be a ton of stupid teams around the league lol

[Neurotic Guy]

So you're right that the Sixers were going to be bad with or without Hinkie at the helm - Billy King & company had already seen to that (hence the turnover). But 'creating assets' by fielding a non-competitive team that is so blatantly trying to suck that agents won't schedule workouts with you because they're afraid their players are going to wind up in your organisation is as clear and obvious a non-starter for the job of NBA General Manager that it doesn't need to be said.


Beyond that, drafting Embiid wasn't a galaxy-brained take - in fact it was probably a disappointment for Philly. At the time they almost certainly would have taken Wiggins with the #1 pick just like everyone else (or, in a different universe, they wind up with Wiggins because Embiid doesn't break his foot and becomes a Cavalier). Was Embiid a better choice than, say, Dante Exum? Sure. But having 'the mega star' wash up on your doorstep owing to factors beyond your control isn't an illustration of your genius - we don't need to look much further than, say, Elon Musk to see that.

exactly.  Philly front office gets credit for taking Embiid with the third pick when (A) if he hadn't been injured during the college season he'd have gone first and (B) there was no one else left at that pick that had anything close to his skillset and upside.  if Philly hadn't taken him they'd have fired on the spot.

I think Milwaukee fans must be annoyed in retrospect that they selected Jabari Parker instead of Embiid (hah - Philly would have ended up with Parker).    I get why the Bucks didn't go there, but wouldn't it have been fun to see what would have happened with Giannis and Embiid on the same team?

[Goldstar88]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

That's mighty kind of you. I was thinking 1-2 months, myself. 

[Goldstar88]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

Track record doesn't seem to matter much in professional sports. Several teams were interested in Kyrie before he was moved to Dallas. They gave up a pretty good haul to get him as well. If the Mavs sign Irving and It doesn't end up working out, I'm sure the Lakers would take him in a heartbeat. Ty Lue also coached and won a championship with Kyrie. I'd imagine the Clippers would be interested as well. Teams are desperate for talent.

[A Future of Stevens]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

Oh I completely agree. But look what keeps happening. Westbrook was considered untradeable, Lakers actually traded him for a solid return. Simmons was also considered untradeable, he got traded and not only that, but the Sixers got back HARDEN from that. Irving keeps causing trouble everywhere he goes, other teams still go after him. We always make the case why something won't happen due to ego/toxicity/contract yet it usually does in some way.

There might just be a ton of stupid teams around the league lol

It is silly how many players that are labeled as untradeable actually end up getting moved for mild returns. John Wall it seems is one of the only true untradeable players in recent memory.

[Who]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

When you have limited options to improve, I certainly view signing Kyrie as worthwhile.

I would definitely do it if I were Dallas. Same with Miami.

Phoenix? If CP3 was going the other way, yeah I would do that. The Clippers? I don't know. Maybe maybe not. I would want to see how the playoffs play out first. Reassess the team then. Kyrie could be a good there next to PG13 and Kawhi. If they were able to get him at a cheap price like those overpaid role players, then probably so yes.

[Donoghus]

So you're right that the Sixers were going to be bad with or without Hinkie at the helm - Billy King & company had already seen to that (hence the turnover). But 'creating assets' by fielding a non-competitive team that is so blatantly trying to suck that agents won't schedule workouts with you because they're afraid their players are going to wind up in your organisation is as clear and obvious a non-starter for the job of NBA General Manager that it doesn't need to be said.


Beyond that, drafting Embiid wasn't a galaxy-brained take - in fact it was probably a disappointment for Philly. At the time they almost certainly would have taken Wiggins with the #1 pick just like everyone else (or, in a different universe, they wind up with Wiggins because Embiid doesn't break his foot and becomes a Cavalier). Was Embiid a better choice than, say, Dante Exum? Sure. But having 'the mega star' wash up on your doorstep owing to factors beyond your control isn't an illustration of your genius - we don't need to look much further than, say, Elon Musk to see that.

exactly.  Philly front office gets credit for taking Embiid with the third pick when (A) if he hadn't been injured during the college season he'd have gone first and (B) there was no one else left at that pick that had anything close to his skillset and upside.  if Philly hadn't taken him they'd have fired on the spot.

I think Milwaukee fans must be annoyed in retrospect that they selected Jabari Parker instead of Embiid (hah - Philly would have ended up with Parker).    I get why the Bucks didn't go there, but wouldn't it have been fun to see what would have happened with Giannis and Embiid on the same team?

For the Celtics sake, I'm sure glad it didn't happen. 

I was team Jabari way back in the day.  A shame that he never panned out for a variety of reasons.

[Roy H.]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

When you have limited options to improve, I certainly view signing Kyrie as worthwhile.

I would definitely do it if I were Dallas. Same with Miami.

Phoenix? If CP3 was going the other way, yeah I would do that. The Clippers? I don't know. Maybe maybe not. I would want to see how the playoffs play out first. Reassess the team then. Kyrie could be a good there next to PG13 and Kawhi. If they were able to get him at a cheap price like those overpaid role players, then probably so yes.

For 4 years, $200 million?  That just means your team will have even fewer options to improve in the future. 

[Moranis]

So you're right that the Sixers were going to be bad with or without Hinkie at the helm - Billy King & company had already seen to that (hence the turnover). But 'creating assets' by fielding a non-competitive team that is so blatantly trying to suck that agents won't schedule workouts with you because they're afraid their players are going to wind up in your organisation is as clear and obvious a non-starter for the job of NBA General Manager that it doesn't need to be said.


Beyond that, drafting Embiid wasn't a galaxy-brained take - in fact it was probably a disappointment for Philly. At the time they almost certainly would have taken Wiggins with the #1 pick just like everyone else (or, in a different universe, they wind up with Wiggins because Embiid doesn't break his foot and becomes a Cavalier). Was Embiid a better choice than, say, Dante Exum? Sure. But having 'the mega star' wash up on your doorstep owing to factors beyond your control isn't an illustration of your genius - we don't need to look much further than, say, Elon Musk to see that.

exactly.  Philly front office gets credit for taking Embiid with the third pick when (A) if he hadn't been injured during the college season he'd have gone first and (B) there was no one else left at that pick that had anything close to his skillset and upside.  if Philly hadn't taken him they'd have fired on the spot.

I think Milwaukee fans must be annoyed in retrospect that they selected Jabari Parker instead of Embiid (hah - Philly would have ended up with Parker).    I get why the Bucks didn't go there, but wouldn't it have been fun to see what would have happened with Giannis and Embiid on the same team?

For the Celtics sake, I'm sure glad it didn't happen. 

I was team Jabari way back in the day.  A shame that he never panned out for a variety of reasons.

Jabari may never have blown out his knee in Philly and may have been well on his way to a HOF career right now.  Even after he did it in his rookie year, he still came back and was relatively healthy even having a 20/6/3 season in his 3rd year, he then got hurt again and was never the same.  Injuries are an interesting thing.  And who knows, maybe Embiid isn't this type of player because maybe the Bucks rush him back after his 1st year and don't let him sit out the 2nd year and his body never recovers.

[gouki88]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

I am loving the idea of him in Miami with Butler and Adebayo. Maybe Riley has developed early onset dementia and thinks it would be a good idea - hilarity would ensue!

[Moranis]

Luka Doncic on playing with Kyrie Irving: 'It's a great fit'

Grant Afseth: Luka Doncic was asked if he plans to assist the Dallas Mavericks in their efforts to re-sign Kyrie Irving in free agency. “I mean, yeah. I think it’s a great fit. Obviously, people are going to say no. I mean, I look at the results we’re having, but you know, like I said, chemistry and relationships take time. I wish he can still be here.” – via Twitter

Mavs confident about chances of keeping Kyrie Irving:

Irving’s current deal will come to an end after this season. The Mavs obviously knew this coming in when they pulled the trigger on the blockbuster trade with the Brooklyn Nets, and they were well aware of the fact that there was a significant risk of Kyrie being nothing more than a half-season rental for them. If you ask ESPN’s NBA guru Ramona Shelburne, however, she is adamant that the Mavs will be able to strike a deal with Irving this summer: “They feel really good about their chances of keeping Kyrie Irving,” Shelburne said. “When they traded for him, they had an option, obviously, to sign him for a two-year extension. He wants more than two years. … Kyrie wants four. So, it may come down to whether or not they’re willing to go to that fourth year. – via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

If they offer Kyrie the 4/200M, he'd be stupid not to take it and stay. But anything short, he's gone. That said, even if he signs the 4/200M he could easily just orchestrate a way out of Dallas in a year or two if things go sour again. That's just the new NBA now

You think so?  Who would offer him anything close to that on the free agent market?

Miami, Houston. Teams like the Clippers and Suns could be options in a S&T

Why, though?  Are teams completely blind to his track record?

Tying your franchise to perhaps the most toxic player in the NBA for four years seems misguided.

I am loving the idea of him in Miami with Butler and Adebayo. Maybe Riley has developed early onset dementia and thinks it would be a good idea - hilarity would ensue!

I actually think he'd make sense there.  Maybe it is Herro and Robinson for Irving.  Miami gets out of Robinson and basically gets a better (less stable) version of Herro for the rest of Butler's prime. 

[SparzWizard]

Social media saying the 10-for-1 Jazz/TWolves trade for Rudy Gobert is the worst trade in NBA history.

I'd like to disagree and revisit our good 'ol heist 10 years ago with the Brooklyn Nets. Paul Pierce, KG for three first-round picks that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Pretty sure this one is still better 

Ironically, that Jazz/Wolves trade involved Danny Ainge, again, with a highway robbery over the Wolves. Man Trader Danny making himself a name

[Phantom255x]

Social media saying the 10-for-1 Jazz/TWolves trade for Rudy Gobert is the worst trade in NBA history.

I'd like to disagree and revisit our good 'ol heist 10 years ago with the Brooklyn Nets. Paul Pierce, KG for three first-round picks that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown 

Ironically, that Jazz/Wolves trade involved Danny Ainge, again, with a highway robbery over the Wolves. Man Trader Danny making himself a name

It's close, but tbh the Gobert trade really does look hideous. All that for 1 guy who is overrated and not even at the level of Pierce/KG (even as those guys were entering the final years before retirement).

[Goldstar88]

Social media saying the 10-for-1 Jazz/TWolves trade for Rudy Gobert is the worst trade in NBA history.

I'd like to disagree and revisit our good 'ol heist 10 years ago with the Brooklyn Nets. Paul Pierce, KG for three first-round picks that became Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Pretty sure this one is still better 

Ironically, that Jazz/Wolves trade involved Danny Ainge, again, with a highway robbery over the Wolves. Man Trader Danny making himself a name

The Nets got two HOFers to add to their core of Joe Johnson, Derron Williams, Brook Lopez. That wasn’t as bad as the Gobert trade.