NBA Season 2022-23

[Ed Monix]

In a close victory over Orlando, our buddy Aaron Nesmith put up 19 points in only 25 minutes (off the bench) for Indiana.

[Celtics2021]

In a close victory over Orlando, our buddy Aaron Nesmith put up 19 points in only 25 minutes (off the bench) for Indiana.

I root for his success, but it wasn’t going to happen for him in Boston.

[radiohead]

In a close victory over Orlando, our buddy Aaron Nesmith put up 19 points in only 25 minutes (off the bench) for Indiana.

He actually scored the game winning freethrows off of an offensive rebound. Hopefully he gets more playing time in Indy and blossoms into a nice player.

[RodyTur10]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

[Celtics2021]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

[RockinRyA]

In a close victory over Orlando, our buddy Aaron Nesmith put up 19 points in only 25 minutes (off the bench) for Indiana.

He actually scored the game winning freethrows off of an offensive rebound. Hopefully he gets more playing time in Indy and blossoms into a nice player.

I like his motor and seems to be a good kid. He needs reps and confidence to regain his shot though and yeah it wasnt gonna happen in Boston.

[RockinRyA]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

[RodyTur10]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST

Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Brown was close, but just isn't instrumental to the achievements of the Celtics.
Very good player. Not really a star.

[RodyTur10]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

I just did.

[kraidstar]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

I just did.

You did, and it's a major fail.

[nickagneta]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

I just did.

You did, and it's a major fail.

Yeah, Jaylen is deserving over about a half dozen guys in the East listed there. Heck, JB gets an All-NBA nod this year if he continues this play and the C's end up as the league's best team.

[Vermont Green]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

I have my doubts that Haliburton and Murray get in over Brown or even Trae Young.  Even Mitchell.  He may deserve it but even he may not beat out Brown.  Harden is a tougher call.  If he plays, he probably gets it.  But "availability" has become a very big issue for him.  Even if he gets voted in, if he is injured he won't play and someone will be added to replace him.

[Hoopvortex]

In a close victory over Orlando, our buddy Aaron Nesmith put up 19 points in only 25 minutes (off the bench) for Indiana.

I root for his success, but it wasn’t going to happen for him in Boston.

It's interesting the way Boston went. He does have a future as a scoring wing with good length. He can create shots off the dribble going left or right, so he's more than a shooter; he's been getting to the line; he needs a team where he can get a lot of rotation minutes to pull it all together, and Indiana looks like a place where he can do that, where he can carve out a role. He has competition; looks like Bennedict Mathurin was a good pick for them at #6 this year.

The Pacers got several players, including Daniel Theis, plus Boston's 2023 first-rounder. Daniel has yet to play this season, and there is no timetable for his return (is it necessary to add that his knee is the issue?). Given that Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan, and Nik Stauskas are no longer with the Pacers; that the draft pick, predictably, will be late in the first round; and that Theis' knee was a known issue - we might reasonably suppose that Nesmith (or his considerable potential) was the part of the deal that Indiana most wanted.

[RockinRyA]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone SANE will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

I just did.

Edited, happy?

[RodyTur10]

Really early, but for fun I've already made my All Star selections.

WEST
Luka Doncic (Dallas Mavericks), Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors), Nikola Jokic (Denver Nuggets), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Oklahoma City Thunder), Ja Morant (Memphis Grizzlies), Devin Booker (Phoenix Suns), De'Aaron Fox (Sacramento Kings), Anthony Davis (Los Angeles Lakers), Paul George (Los Angeles Clippers), Desmond Bane (Memphis Grizzlies), Domantas Sabonis (Sacramento Kings), Lauri Markkanen (Utah Jazz)

EAST
Jayson Tatum (Boston Celtics), Joel Embiid (Philadelphia 76ers), Donovan Mitchell (Cleveland Cavaliers), Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee Bucks), Kevin Durant (Brooklyn Nets), Pascal Siakam (Toronto Raptors), Tyrese Haliburton (Indiana Pacers), James Harden (Philadelphia 76ers), Kristaps Porzingis (Washington Wizards), Jimmy Butler (Miami Heat), Brook Lopez (Milwaukee Bucks), Dejounte Murray (Atlanta Hawks)

You’re missing a guy who’s putting up 25/7 for the team with the best record in the league.

Yeah noway a top 3 team in the conference just get a single all-star when 2nd player is playing that well and healthy. I dont think anyone will put Harden and Lopez in over Brown.

I just did.

You did, and it's a major fail.

Yeah, Jaylen is deserving over about a half dozen guys in the East listed there. Heck, JB gets an All-NBA nod this year if he continues this play and the C's end up as the league's best team.

I'm not predicting what will happen. I am sure Brown will make the All Star team if the Celtics keep the top spot in the conference. But as Moranis has pointed out many times, it's really just Tatum who's leading the team. But let's look at a bunch of respected advanced stats that look past the raw scoring numbers. They indicate a picture that may shock a lot of Celtics fans. If you think I've made them up you can look them up yourselves.

The only player who's debatable is Murray. You could choose here VanVleet, Holiday or Young. I chose Murray because he played more games. I have gathered the following stats:

Estimated Plus Minus (EPM) and Estimated Wins (EW)
source: https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Win Shares (WS) and Box Plus Minus (BPM)
source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2023.html#all_advanced-playoffs_advanced

Overall Raptor (RAP) and Wins Above Replacement (WAR)
source: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

In the last column I added these stats up. Recognise that Brown isn't even in the discussion.
In particular BPM (-0,3) and RAPTOR (-1,0) really don't rate Brown at all.

Player - - - -  Team - - - -  GP/EPM/EW/WS/BPM/RAP/WAR/Total

Donovan Mitchell	CLE	13	5,6	2,9	2,3	7,7	7,5	2,7	28,7
Kevin Durant	BKN	16	6,9	3,9	2,6	7,2	5,1	2,4	28,1
Jayson Tatum	BOS	16	5,8	3,5	2,6	6,4	6,6	2,8	27,7
Kristaps Porzingis	WAS	15	4,9	2,5	1,9	4,2	7,9	2,6	24
Tyrese Haliburton	IND	15	4,7	2,7	2,3	7,3	5,1	1,9	24
Joel Embiid	PHI	12	5,4	2,4	1,8	7,6	5	1,5	23,7
Brook Lopez	MIL	15	5,4	2,7	1,7	3,6	7,5	2,5	23,4
Jimmy Butler	MIA	13	4,6	2,4	2,3	6,4	4,5	1,7	21,9
Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	12	4,7	2	1,4	7,5	4,5	1,5	21,6
James Harden	PHI	9	4,4	1,7	1,4	5,9	5,7	1,4	20,5
Pascal Siakam	TOR	9	4,5	1,5	1,2	6,2	5,6	1,4	20,4
Fred VanVleet	TOR	12	4,3	2,2	1,3	2,8	5,4	1,7	17,7
Jrue Holiday	MIL	11	2,4	1,3	1,1	3,9	5,4	1,5	15,6
Dejounte Murray	ATL	16	1,9	1,9	1,5	3,7	3,8	1,8	14,6
Trae Young	ATL	15	2,7	2	1,3	3,7	1,7	1,1	12,5
Jaylen Brown	BOS	15	2,3	1,9	0,9	-0,3	-1	0,5	4,3