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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #540 on: November 13, 2022, 09:54:59 PM »

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Cousins, Whiteside, Howard, Melo…unbelievable how nobody even gave them a chance.

They've had plenty of chances over the years. People know what they are and who they are, that is the problem.

It’s funny you could argue Blake griffin was the least effective of these guys last year

Yep, but he's got the best team attitude of all of them by far.

So we just gonna go for folks with the best attitude versus skillset?  :-\

Carmelo would've been a perfect Gallinari replacement. Dwight could've been a serviceable backup for Horford/Timelord me thinks


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #541 on: November 13, 2022, 10:00:14 PM »

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Lakers having their way with KD so far ……we ll see if they can keep it up  ;)

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #542 on: November 13, 2022, 10:02:10 PM »

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Cousins, Whiteside, Howard, Melo…unbelievable how nobody even gave them a chance.

They've had plenty of chances over the years. People know what they are and who they are, that is the problem.

It’s funny you could argue Blake griffin was the least effective of these guys last year

Yep, but he's got the best team attitude of all of them by far.

So we just gonna go for folks with the best attitude versus skillset?  :-\

Carmelo would've been a perfect Gallinari replacement. Dwight could've been a serviceable backup for Horford/Timelord me thinks

It's a fine line.  You want production, but you don't want a cancer in the locker room.  I think D12, at least, has cancer potential.

I'd rather have Carmelo than Luke Jackson, but would Carmelo accept being a mentor who plays every five games?


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #543 on: November 13, 2022, 10:03:05 PM »

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Cousins, Whiteside, Howard, Melo…unbelievable how nobody even gave them a chance.

They've had plenty of chances over the years. People know what they are and who they are, that is the problem.

It’s funny you could argue Blake griffin was the least effective of these guys last year

Yep, but he's got the best team attitude of all of them by far.

So we just gonna go for folks with the best attitude versus skillset?  :-\

Carmelo would've been a perfect Gallinari replacement. Dwight could've been a serviceable backup for Horford/Timelord me thinks

Blake Griffin has embraced a role the other players couldn't. Melo wants to shoot too much and doesn't play defense, while having no idea how to set other players up. Cousins and Howard are too big of personalities on and off the court. Whiteside has always been a knucklehead.

Griffin is fitting in. He doesn't seem to talk too much or too little. He has embraced setting great screens for our stars and simply filling in. In stints, he's somewhat similar to Theis was last year, although i think he's still trying to figure out that roll fully.

I'm a huge fan of how Griffin is playing. I hope he is working his body out hard so he can be ready if we need him in the playoffs, but as far as a regular season role player, he really has been good.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #544 on: November 13, 2022, 10:16:41 PM »

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I’m good with Griffin so far,  he has good team mindset .  Looks a bit winded fast .  Hopefully he can work on that with time .

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #545 on: November 13, 2022, 11:04:38 PM »

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Cousins, Whiteside, Howard, Melo…unbelievable how nobody even gave them a chance.

They've had plenty of chances over the years. People know what they are and who they are, that is the problem.

It’s funny you could argue Blake griffin was the least effective of these guys last year

Yep, but he's got the best team attitude of all of them by far.

So we just gonna go for folks with the best attitude versus skillset?  :-\

Carmelo would've been a perfect Gallinari replacement. Dwight could've been a serviceable backup for Horford/Timelord me thinks

It's a fine line.  You want production, but you don't want a cancer in the locker room.  I think D12, at least, has cancer potential.

I'd rather have Carmelo than Luke Jackson, but would Carmelo accept being a mentor who plays every five games?
Why would Melo play every 5 games?  There are clearly some PF minutes available.  He wouldn't play a ton of minutes, but he'd definitely be a regular
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #546 on: November 13, 2022, 11:19:37 PM »

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Cousins, Whiteside, Howard, Melo…unbelievable how nobody even gave them a chance.

They've had plenty of chances over the years. People know what they are and who they are, that is the problem.

It’s funny you could argue Blake griffin was the least effective of these guys last year

Yep, but he's got the best team attitude of all of them by far.

So we just gonna go for folks with the best attitude versus skillset?  :-\

Carmelo would've been a perfect Gallinari replacement. Dwight could've been a serviceable backup for Horford/Timelord me thinks

It's a fine line.  You want production, but you don't want a cancer in the locker room.  I think D12, at least, has cancer potential.

I'd rather have Carmelo than Luke Jackson, but would Carmelo accept being a mentor who plays every five games?
Why would Melo play every 5 games?  There are clearly some PF minutes available.  He wouldn't play a ton of minutes, but he'd definitely be a regular

I don't think he would.  He'd be behind Horford, Grant, Tatum and perhaps Hauser.


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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #547 on: November 13, 2022, 11:47:26 PM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #548 on: November 14, 2022, 12:05:38 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #549 on: November 14, 2022, 01:16:18 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.

Philly don't  need to ride Embiid like this. They have two 20ppg level scorers even without Harden in Maxey and Tobias Harris.

Their problem is they do not have a team-orientated offense which is in part Embiid's fault as he only understands how to be an individual dominator (like Moses Malone) rather than scorer/facilitator (like Shaq or Kareem). Nevermind a true facilitator (like Bill Walton or Bill Russell).

It is difficult to have a team-based offense built around a post-up option in today's NBA when that guy is reluctant passer. It stagnates the offense and freezes your teammates out of the game.

One can blame Doc some for this but frankly it is more Embiid's fault. It is his limitations as a player. His lack of understanding of team offense, of how to involve his teammates, of how to make a whole team function as opposed to having the team function to service his desires alone.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #550 on: November 14, 2022, 01:21:53 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.
Wow! He also had 7 blocks.  Tucker and Thybulle in 57 minutes combined for 2pts on 2 shots.  Isn't Harden supposed to be out for a month? 

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #551 on: November 14, 2022, 01:44:24 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.

Philly don't  need to ride Embiid like this. They have two 20ppg level scorers even without Harden in Maxey and Tobias Harris.

Their problem is they do not have a team-orientated offense which is in part Embiid's fault as he only understands how to be an individual dominator (like Moses Malone) rather than scorer/facilitator (like Shaq or Kareem). Nevermind a true facilitator (like Bill Walton or Bill Russell).

It is difficult to have a team-based offense built around a post-up option in today's NBA when that guy is reluctant passer. It stagnates the offense and freezes your teammates out of the game.

One can blame Doc some for this but frankly it is more Embiid's fault. It is his limitations as a player. His lack of understanding of team offense, of how to involve his teammates, of how to make a whole team function as opposed to having the team function to service his desires alone.
Did you miss that Embiid had 8 assists tonight?  Harris only had 8pts on 12 shots and Maxey only had 18pts on 24 shots.  Embiid averaged 4.2 assists per game last season.  The highest Shaq had in any season was 3.8 assists. 

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #552 on: November 14, 2022, 02:16:58 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.

Philly don't  need to ride Embiid like this. They have two 20ppg level scorers even without Harden in Maxey and Tobias Harris.

Their problem is they do not have a team-orientated offense which is in part Embiid's fault as he only understands how to be an individual dominator (like Moses Malone) rather than scorer/facilitator (like Shaq or Kareem). Nevermind a true facilitator (like Bill Walton or Bill Russell).

It is difficult to have a team-based offense built around a post-up option in today's NBA when that guy is reluctant passer. It stagnates the offense and freezes your teammates out of the game.

One can blame Doc some for this but frankly it is more Embiid's fault. It is his limitations as a player. His lack of understanding of team offense, of how to involve his teammates, of how to make a whole team function as opposed to having the team function to service his desires alone.
Did you miss that Embiid had 8 assists tonight?  Harris only had 8pts on 12 shots and Maxey only had 18pts on 24 shots.  Embiid averaged 4.2 assists per game last season.  The highest Shaq had in any season was 3.8 assists.

Embiid as a passer is more like Hakeem Olajuwon than Shaq or KAJ. Olajuwon was only ever a plus passer when the entire offense revolved around him and his ability to draw double teams and pass out of double teams to give lesser talented players open shots.

Shaq and Kareem could orchestrate an offense. They could move between facilitation of movement to drawing double teams and hitting open players. They were multi-dimensional passers. And both were far superior passers in double teams in terms of variety of passes as both were excellent at hitting cutters for easy layups and dunks vs passes out for long jump-shots which make more basic passers rely on (like Hakeem did).

If Houston did not run an iso-heavy offense for Hakeem in the post, he would have struggled to average more than 2apg because of his limitations as passer. Embiid is the same way. He gets assists because of iso-heavy patterns, drawing double teams and making basic reads. He makes few creative passes and he does bare minimum to faclitate the offense.

Ewing was another center like this.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #553 on: November 14, 2022, 02:31:19 AM »

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Embiid with another monster performance. 59pts/11rebs/8ast. Yeesh.

I was watching that game and he was incredible, but the 76ers can’t ride him like this. It is why he is out of gas or injured every year in the playoffs. The problem is this win brought them to .500 and harden is still out so they kind of have to.

Philly don't  need to ride Embiid like this. They have two 20ppg level scorers even without Harden in Maxey and Tobias Harris.

Their problem is they do not have a team-orientated offense which is in part Embiid's fault as he only understands how to be an individual dominator (like Moses Malone) rather than scorer/facilitator (like Shaq or Kareem). Nevermind a true facilitator (like Bill Walton or Bill Russell).

It is difficult to have a team-based offense built around a post-up option in today's NBA when that guy is reluctant passer. It stagnates the offense and freezes your teammates out of the game.

One can blame Doc some for this but frankly it is more Embiid's fault. It is his limitations as a player. His lack of understanding of team offense, of how to involve his teammates, of how to make a whole team function as opposed to having the team function to service his desires alone.

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #554 on: November 14, 2022, 03:04:28 AM »

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Centers to score 100+ points over a two-game span:

Joel Embiid (2022)
DeMarcus Cousins (2016)
David Robinson (1994)
Bob McAdoo (1975)
Wilt Chamberlain (86x)

My reaction:  Great! Embiid only one of 5 centers to do it.  Not Shaq.  Not Kareem.  <...> 
Wait a second.  Wilt did it 86 times.  He did it 86 out of the 90 times it has been done by a center.  <Holy f..k!!>