Celtics Regular Season News

[slamtheking]

Steve Bulpett @SteveBHoop
8 hours ago
(Corrected) From Sultan of Stat, Dick Lipe: Tatum (34 pts, 19 rebs, 6 ast, 3 steals). Only other Celtic to ever reach all those marks? Larry Bird at Lakers Feb 1981 (36, 21, 6, 5, 3 blk) JT only 2nd Celt to make at least 10 FT in consec games w/o miss (Isaiah Thomas Dec 2016)

I want to see that Larry game.

I want to see every Larry game (again)

[slamtheking]

The Celtics have a 34.2% offensive rebound rate with Robert Williams on the court. That dips to 23.9% when he’s on the bench. Basically, they’ve been the equivalent of the league’s best offensive rebounding squad with him in the lineup and one of the very worst without him.

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Source: Jay King

This is very apparent.  He clearly gets after it and plays closer to the rim.  It is hard to offensive rebound when you have 5 guys at the 3-point line.

Scal's been making comments about this as a flawed offensive strategy and he's not wrong.  not just because all they do is pass the ball around the perimeter and end up tossing up another 3-point attempt (even if there's a drive to the basket because everyone knows it'll be passed back out for a 3), but it doesn't pressure the defense to defend the paint against a post player or cutters and it also reliefs the defense from having to rebound a miss while competing for it against a C's player.

[Celtics2021]

The Celtics have a 34.2% offensive rebound rate with Robert Williams on the court. That dips to 23.9% when he’s on the bench. Basically, they’ve been the equivalent of the league’s best offensive rebounding squad with him in the lineup and one of the very worst without him.

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Source: Jay King

This is very apparent.  He clearly gets after it and plays closer to the rim.  It is hard to offensive rebound when you have 5 guys at the 3-point line.

Scal's been making comments about this as a flawed offensive strategy and he's not wrong.  not just because all they do is pass the ball around the perimeter and end up tossing up another 3-point attempt (even if there's a drive to the basket because everyone knows it'll be passed back out for a 3), but it doesn't pressure the defense to defend the paint against a post player or cutters and it also reliefs the defense from having to rebound a miss while competing for it against a C's player.

To be clear, Scal doesn’t criticize 5-out.  He criticizes when there is no driving or cutting to the paint when they’re in a 5-out alignment.  The point of 5-out is that it creates space for players to drive or cut to the paint, creating either easier looks at the rim because of the lack of a rim protector, or open shots on the perimeter because a rim protector came to help on the drive and kicking it back out will catch the defense in rotation.  The ball should touch the paint most possessions to take advantage of the space that 5-out creates — otherwise you’re making it easy on the defense, forced to take contested threes or make bad angles passes on the perimeter that can lead to fast breaks.

[Vermont Green]

The Celtics have a 34.2% offensive rebound rate with Robert Williams on the court. That dips to 23.9% when he’s on the bench. Basically, they’ve been the equivalent of the league’s best offensive rebounding squad with him in the lineup and one of the very worst without him.

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Source: Jay King

This is very apparent.  He clearly gets after it and plays closer to the rim.  It is hard to offensive rebound when you have 5 guys at the 3-point line.

Scal's been making comments about this as a flawed offensive strategy and he's not wrong.  not just because all they do is pass the ball around the perimeter and end up tossing up another 3-point attempt (even if there's a drive to the basket because everyone knows it'll be passed back out for a 3), but it doesn't pressure the defense to defend the paint against a post player or cutters and it also reliefs the defense from having to rebound a miss while competing for it against a C's player.

To be clear, Scal doesn’t criticize 5-out.  He criticizes when there is no driving or cutting to the paint when they’re in a 5-out alignment.  The point of 5-out is that it creates space for players to drive or cut to the paint, creating either easier looks at the rim because of the lack of a rim protector, or open shots on the perimeter because a rim protector came to help on the drive and kicking it back out will catch the defense in rotation.  The ball should touch the paint most possessions to take advantage of the space that 5-out creates — otherwise you’re making it easy on the defense, forced to take contested threes or make bad angles passes on the perimeter that can lead to fast breaks.

I was not suggesting that "5 out" is bad or always bad, just that if that is how you play, you aren't going to get as many offensive rebounds.

But the impact of having RWill able to play inside is very apparent, not just related to offensive rebounding.  Our whole offense is better, more diverse.   When we have Horford and Grant, they are too much the same, more outside than inside.  Rob provides a much needed different look.  The difference he makes is pretty clear.

[slamtheking]

The Celtics have a 34.2% offensive rebound rate with Robert Williams on the court. That dips to 23.9% when he’s on the bench. Basically, they’ve been the equivalent of the league’s best offensive rebounding squad with him in the lineup and one of the very worst without him.

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Source: Jay King

This is very apparent.  He clearly gets after it and plays closer to the rim.  It is hard to offensive rebound when you have 5 guys at the 3-point line.

Scal's been making comments about this as a flawed offensive strategy and he's not wrong.  not just because all they do is pass the ball around the perimeter and end up tossing up another 3-point attempt (even if there's a drive to the basket because everyone knows it'll be passed back out for a 3), but it doesn't pressure the defense to defend the paint against a post player or cutters and it also reliefs the defense from having to rebound a miss while competing for it against a C's player.

To be clear, Scal doesn’t criticize 5-out.  He criticizes when there is no driving or cutting to the paint when they’re in a 5-out alignment.  The point of 5-out is that it creates space for players to drive or cut to the paint, creating either easier looks at the rim because of the lack of a rim protector, or open shots on the perimeter because a rim protector came to help on the drive and kicking it back out will catch the defense in rotation.  The ball should touch the paint most possessions to take advantage of the space that 5-out creates — otherwise you’re making it easy on the defense, forced to take contested threes or make bad angles passes on the perimeter that can lead to fast breaks.

I was not suggesting that "5 out" is bad or always bad, just that if that is how you play, you aren't going to get as many offensive rebounds.

But the impact of having RWill able to play inside is very apparent, not just related to offensive rebounding.  Our whole offense is better, more diverse.   When we have Horford and Grant, they are too much the same, more outside than inside.  Rob provides a much needed different look.  The difference he makes is pretty clear.

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@Celtics2021 --> you're right that Scal does add that clarification because 5-out should work in theory based on that cutting/moving defense part of it but this team far too often doesn't have cutters through the lane and very often the drives to the paint to wind up resulting in a pass for 3 rather than a layup or easier 2 point shot.  Also, the lack of a player in the paint makes it a lot easier on the D to not have to worry about offensive rebounders as well as playing for the kick out pass rather than defending the hoop itself.  There's a reason why Tatum, Brown and Smart get their passes picked off/tipped more than they should on kickouts. 

I'm not a fan of 5-out at all and not just because I enjoy watching a player who knows how to play post offense (Mchale was wonder to behold).  Having Rob in the game around the basket makes such a difference --> someone driving to the hoop can either lob to Rob if both defenders come for the ball or the rim protector stays with Rob so the driver only has to beat his man to the basket.  The C's could really use another athletic 4/5 that can play the same role as Rob when he's out of the game.

[Celtics4ever]

I'm not a fan of 5-out at all and not just because I enjoy watching a player who knows how to play post offense (Mchale was wonder to behold).  Having Rob in the game around the basket makes such a difference --> someone driving to the hoop can either lob to Rob if both defenders come for the ball or the rim protector stays with Rob so the driver only has to beat his man to the basket.  The C's could really use another athletic 4/5 that can play the same role as Rob when he's out of the game.

It does not matter if you're a fan or not, the game has changed.   I like watching guy operate in post, too, but is a different game now.

I agree Rob helps a whole lot and the need.

[Roy H.]

[Roy H.]

Tim Bontemps: The Celtics say Marcus Smart will miss tomorrow’s game in Orlando with the sprained ankle he suffered last night in Toronto. Malcolm Brogdon (personal) will sit, too. Robert Williams (knee) is questionable.
– via Twitter TimBontemps

[keevsnick]

TimeLord will probably end us sitting the game as well, it's the front end of a back-to-back so might as well give him one of those off an make it the first game.

[radiohead]

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/.amp/news/nba-admits-warriors-were-robbed-vs-celtics

I remember Al’s attempt clearly beat the shot clock. Why is it even listed as a missed call? I’m not a fan of the Last 2 mins report as it does nothing but make the refs look more incompetent. I’m also wondering how a three second violation called on JT would have resulted into a freethrow? Or was that a defensive three second violation?

[radiohead]

TimeLord will probably end us sitting the game as well, it's the front end of a back-to-back so might as well give him one of those off an make it the first game.

Plus the second game is vs Miami. That should be the harder opponent.

[No Nickname]

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/.amp/news/nba-admits-warriors-were-robbed-vs-celtics

I remember Al’s attempt clearly beat the shot clock. Why is it even listed as a missed call? I’m not a fan of the Last 2 mins report as it does nothing but make the refs look more incompetent. I’m also wondering how a three second violation called on JT would have resulted into a freethrow? Or was that a defensive three second violation?

I'm not sure of the rules, but if a team calls timeout after a defensive rebound in order to advance the ball to half court... are they required to inbound the ball in the front court?

Would it be a violation if they inbounded it in the backcourt?

Because when Golden State did this (can't remember, but it was somewhere under the 2:00 mark) they were inbounding at half court.

Wiggins was in the backcourt when the pass left the inbounder's hands, then Wiggins crossed half court, landed with one foot, caught the ball, and then finally his other foot landed in the front court after that. 

So he didn't establish both feet in the front court before catching the ball. 

It could be moot if it's legal to just inbound it in the backcourt.

[Yuckabuck33]

https://www.si.com/nba/warriors/.amp/news/nba-admits-warriors-were-robbed-vs-celtics

I remember Al’s attempt clearly beat the shot clock. Why is it even listed as a missed call? I’m not a fan of the Last 2 mins report as it does nothing but make the refs look more incompetent. I’m also wondering how a three second violation called on JT would have resulted into a freethrow? Or was that a defensive three second violation?

That report has zero credibility with me because it upheld the ridiculous call against Horford that Joe challenged and lost. There was ZERO contact from every camera angle except one which was inconclusive. The call was made right after the Celtics went ahead of the point spread, so the original call plus it's being upheld despite clear video evidence that it was wrong seem extra shady.
(I'm predicting that the NBA will have another Tim Donaghy type scandal soon.)

[Roy H.]

Bobby Manning: Jayson Tatum, who just spoke at shootaround, said his left wrist isn’t something that’s going to cost him significant time. Will he need surgery next summer? “Maybe. I dont want to say yes and I don’t want to say no. It’s something we’ve got to look at when the season’s over” – via Twitter RealBobManning

[Roy H.]

Injured Boston Celtics forward Danilo Gallinari spoke with Gianluca Bortolomai of the Italian basketball blog Around The Game on the day of Boston’s recent win over the Toronto Raptors, and shared some thoughts on where he is in his rehabilitative process.

On the latter, Gallo notes (translated from Italian) that he is “respecting what was the roadmap we set ourselves at the beginning, the stakes and goals we set ourselves weekly, monthly so I’d say everything is going well.” The hope had been that Gallinari would be back in time for the postseason on the more optimistic end of potential outcomes, and the veteran swingman said “it’s very difficult because we’re also calculating the protocols that have been in place in the NBA in recent years in recovery times.”

Gallo has been undeterred by the challenge, noting that despite those protocols, getting back in time to help in the postseason is “definitely the goal.”

Citing the organizational support given by the Celtics in that process, the Italian forward shared that he “decided in agreement with the staff and the club to follow the team away to continue the rehabilitation work, but also because I really like being in contact with them and following them closely.”

“I’m happy, it’s a wonderful group,” he suggested, relating that “maybe it’s a little easier to integrate when you’re a veteran and you’re the second oldest on the team; I can’t help but be satisfied.”