Udoka Facing Suspension/Udoka to Nets??

[johnnygreen]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

[Celtics2021]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

Udoka was getting suspended, maybe fired.  That was going to become public knowledge, because he’s the head coach and everyone would instantly know he wasn’t there.  So his team leaked the most benign version of the events to get that version out there first, as the Celtics were not going to reveal any details publicly.

[CelticsWhat35]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

Because it was coming out anyway.  The initial reports painted him in a better light (consensual relationship), which is why it makes sense that it would’ve been someone from his camp.  If it was from the Celtics, they would’ve been more prepared with having a press conference more timely

[johnnygreen]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

Because it was coming out anyway.  The initial reports painted him in a better light (consensual relationship), which is why it makes sense that it would’ve been someone from his camp.  If it was from the Celtics, they would’ve been more prepared with having a press conference more timely

I'm sorry, but that doesn't add up or make sense. It's one thing to cheat on your wife, and keep it quiet. However, it's a completely different level when you make it public and your family becomes part of the story. It would make more sense if the husband of the woman who cheated on him, leaked the story because neither one of their names would ever be made public. That husband had a score to settle and wanted to publicly ruin Ime.

Having said that, Ime is never coming back and Coach Mazzulla is doing a great job and is well deserving of being named the official Celtics head coach.

[Roy H.]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

Because it was coming out anyway.  The initial reports painted him in a better light (consensual relationship), which is why it makes sense that it would’ve been someone from his camp.  If it was from the Celtics, they would’ve been more prepared with having a press conference more timely

I'm sorry, but that doesn't add up or make sense. It's one thing to cheat on your wife, and keep it quiet. However, it's a completely different level when you make it public and your family becomes part of the story. It would make more sense if the husband of the woman who cheated on him, leaked the story because neither one of their names would ever be made public. That husband had a score to settle and wanted to publicly ruin Ime.

Having said that, Ime is never coming back and Coach Mazzulla is doing a great job and is well deserving of being named the official Celtics head coach.

The Ime camp knew the suspension was coming.  The news was on the verge of breaking.  If you're Ime, which of these two narratives do you prefer:

1.  Ime had a consensual affair with a co-worker; or

2.  Ime was the subject of a sexual harassment investigation involving a subordinate?

The narrative that controlled the airwaves at least for awhile was #1.  The Celtics were being criticized for suspending a man because he consensually slept with a co-worker.  There were even racial overtones to the coverage.

If the woman's husband leaked this, I don't think he'd be doing it in the way most charitable to Ime.  I think he would have led with the inappropriate remarks prior to the affair, spoken about the power differential, and then mentioned that Ime made unwanted comments after the affair was over.

[Big333223]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

Because it was coming out anyway.  The initial reports painted him in a better light (consensual relationship), which is why it makes sense that it would’ve been someone from his camp.  If it was from the Celtics, they would’ve been more prepared with having a press conference more timely

I'm sorry, but that doesn't add up or make sense. It's one thing to cheat on your wife, and keep it quiet. However, it's a completely different level when you make it public and your family becomes part of the story. It would make more sense if the husband of the woman who cheated on him, leaked the story because neither one of their names would ever be made public. That husband had a score to settle and wanted to publicly ruin Ime.

Having said that, Ime is never coming back and Coach Mazzulla is doing a great job and is well deserving of being named the official Celtics head coach.

The Ime camp knew the suspension was coming.  The news was on the verge of breaking.  If you're Ime, which of these two narratives do you prefer:

1.  Ime had a consensual affair with a co-worker; or

2.  Ime was the subject of a sexual harassment investigation involving a subordinate?

The narrative that controlled the airwaves at least for awhile was #1.  The Celtics were being criticized for suspending a man because he consensually slept with a co-worker.  There were even racial overtones to the coverage.

If the woman's husband leaked this, I don't think he'd be doing it in the way most charitable to Ime.  I think he would have led with the inappropriate remarks prior to the affair, spoken about the power differential, and then mentioned that Ime made unwanted comments after the affair was over.

This.

I've also never seen anything even remotely convincing as to why the Celtics would leak information. I'm not saying I think it was necessarily Ime but him leaking it makes more sense than the Celtics since he would be trying to save face. The Celtics had zero motivation.

I think, at the end of the day, the most likely scenario is it came from a player who heard something through the grapevine (NBA player gossip, basically) or someone from the lawfirm who wanted to make a buck or feel important.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Can we get this over with on January 1 at midnight? Mazz is clearly the coach (and the better coach). Udoka is history. Let’s do it right after the holidays.

I thought you wanted Stevens?

That was before we discovered that Mazz is Stevens’ Spoelstra.

[liam]

opps

[ozgod]

https://nesn.com/2022/12/nia-long-criticizes-celtics-for-handling-of-ime-udoka-suspension/

Nia is now saying the Celts shouldn’t have made it public.

What were the Celtics supposed to do, if they decided for whatever reason that a suspension was necessary?  I guess they could have said that Ime was on a one year "leave of absence" without calling it a suspension, but it seems unlikely that that would have satisfied the media.  And, as I recall, it wasn't the Celtics who initially outed the story, but rather Woj and Shams (who were probably fed the info by somebody connected to Ime).

Can someone please explain to me, why Ime would want the story leaked that he cheated on his wife? It would make sense if the leak came from someone with the Celtics, because they had to somehow justify a year long suspension.

The initial leak was that Ime was going to be facing discipline for a "improper consensual relationship". This is how Woj characterized it and how it was initially reported on Sep 22:



By Sep 25, after the Celtics' press conference, it became clear there was a lot more to it:



But because the first leak set the narrative, the idea that Ime was suspended for doing something that two adults should be able to do, but just happened to be against the Celtics' rules, made it seem like a year long suspension was really harsh. Why suspend someone for a year for being attracted to each other?

By the time the Cs had their press conference, and more leaks were made to Shams, the narrative had been set already. Ime got screwed by the Cs. I'm sure a number of people didn't even follow it after the first leak, so as far as they know Ime was suspended for a workplace relationship.

That's why you leak first, to set the story since it's going to come out anyway, you get to control how the story unfolds. The Celtics hadn't even prepared their presser yet when the news leaked. Why would they leak news that they knew they wouldn't be able to answer questions on and would invite speculation when they could have released it via press conference and shared the fact that it was sexual harassment that was the reason he was suspended? For that matter, if they leaked it I'm sure they would have leaked the reason he was suspended, not just that he was "facing discipline for a consensual sexual relationship".

[Kernewek]

Ozgod’s got it on the nose I think. I’ll just add that the reason to make the Celtics seem harsh and overbearing is to completely avoid tanking your marketability in the HC job market: workplace affairs aren’t great but they’re not terribly uncommon, either.

Slap a coat of “aw shucks I’ve made (or “we made”) a grave mistake that’ll never happen again” and it’s very easy to see him getting hired by another franchise. Just look at the nets situation.

[RMO]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not going back to read through everything.

Season is far from over so this is strictly hypothetical.  If the Celtics win it all and Udoka has not officially been fired yet.  He's still suspended and Mazzulla is still classified as an interim coach.  Does Udoka get a ring?

[Celtics2021]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not going back to read through everything.

Season is far from over so this is strictly hypothetical.  If the Celtics win it all and Udoka has not officially been fired yet.  He's still suspended and Mazzulla is still classified as an interim coach.  Does Udoka get a ring?

Only if they intend to bring him back in the future.

[Goldstar88]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not going back to read through everything.

Season is far from over so this is strictly hypothetical.  If the Celtics win it all and Udoka has not officially been fired yet.  He's still suspended and Mazzulla is still classified as an interim coach.  Does Udoka get a ring?

If he’s away from the team with a year long suspension and then gets fired in the off-season, I don’t see why he would get a ring.

[RMO]

Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm not going back to read through everything.

Season is far from over so this is strictly hypothetical.  If the Celtics win it all and Udoka has not officially been fired yet.  He's still suspended and Mazzulla is still classified as an interim coach.  Does Udoka get a ring?

If he’s away from the team with a year long suspension and then gets fired in the off-season, I don’t see why he would get a ring.

Yes.  Not that the Celtics would voluntarily give him a ring.  Just would they be obligated if he's technically still a part of the team for the sole reason he hadn't yet been fired. 

Doesn't matter.  Was just curious.

[SparzWizard]

I've seen other players who get traded mid-season or early season, and the former team that they left that won it all still got a ring. I think it applies to coaches as well, no?