Lebron calls Celtics fans racist

[Moranis]

One of the only thing good about getting older is knowing Lebron will soon be in the news a lot less.

Really? I think he'll find ways to remain in the spotlight. He craves it

LeBron can run around fantasizing that the the NBA is just going to give him an expansion club in Las Vegas, diluting profits for the remaining 30 teams and bringing the aggregate talent level down by adding yet another team. Even if they do expand, which obviously seems unlikely,  they’re not going to hand expansion clubs out for below market rates. The Rockets sold for $2.2 billion about half a decade ago, so why in the world would an expansion club sell for under $2 billion? Can you imagine the bidding war for an NBA expansion club in Vegas, or even Seattle (it seems quite unlikely that an expansion club in Seattle would not spark the interest of Bezos, Gates or another west coast tech titan, so that seems a safer bet than Vegas)? LeBron may be a made in China billionaire, but he’s not a liquid multi-billionaire and probably never will be. In other words, he’s soon going to be diminishing from the spotlight, just like Kobe in 2016-2019 and MJ before him. Out with the old, in with the new: That’s just the way of things in professional sports when you leave the playing field.

Kobe was still in the spotlight with his analysis for ESPN. MJ is still in the spotlight with Charlotte and his documentary + fashion. What separates LeBron is that a) I think he cares more for the spotlight, b) he has son(s) who may be headed for the NBA, who he might play with, and c) he is already a billionaire as a player AND has an interest in ownership.

I like the casual xenophobia in your post though. Charming little touch

There’s nothing xenophobic about opposing communist party-supplied/controlled labor that is essentially the 21st century version of slavery. There’s nothing xenophobic about turning one’s nose up at those in the West, or anywhere in the world, who are ”billionaires” because of this modern-day enslavement of 1+ billion Chinese people who yearn to be free. There’s nothing xenophobjc about calling them what they are: Made in China billionaires. The Communist Party of China imposes slavery and oppression on its people and, it is now documented, even commits genocide on certain ethnic minorities within mainland China (and would like to do so to the free Chinese in Taiwan just as they have recently done to the previously free Chinese in Hong Kong). All of this is far worse than anything happening in Boston, but where’s LeBron’s comments on those social injustices?

There is nothing xenophobic about saying shame on those who profit off modern-day slavery. They can still make decent profit margins off making their stuff in free countries like Taiwan, India, and the list goes on, so why do their prioritize their greed over human rights? Standing for freedom and human rights is not xenophobia.

We've already gone over your cluelessness about world politics in plenty of other threads, but if you think India is a free country then I seriously think you're no longer acting in good faith, or you live under a rock.

Go have a look at the treatment of the ~200 million Muslim Indians (and other non-Hindus) since Modi was elected. What China does is bad, but when India does it it's fine because they're not big scary commies, right?

India is a free and democratic country, certainly compared to communist party-controlled China. Admittedly I am not aware of every social injustice in India, but I certainly oppose systematic oppression wherever it resides and do not agree with doing business in such places, or at least doing so minimally to the most practical extent possible. The counter example of Taiwan stands, same goes for Japan and South Korea and on and on the list goes including countries throughout Africa and all of the Americas. There are plenty of places to build factories to benefit free people and still maintain healthy profit margins. One should not allow their greed to lead to doing deals with devils like the Communist Party of China, who have made it abundantly clear that they wish to see the Communist Party control all resources in the world by the turn of the century. It’s time to stop being conned by these devils, and see the world isolate them until they allow their people to be free, rather than allowing tragedies like Tiananmen Square to unfold daily and quietly. We tried normalizing trade relations in hopes they would become more free and liberal. It did not work. Time to try a different approach.



That image above? LeBron likes to market himself as if he’s like that guy, but what he really is, is a dude profiting off those tanks and that system, among the most oppressive in the world.

India actively tries to disenfranchise Muslims. So free, so democratic

What does India have to do with LeBron and LeBron’s constant calls for social change while LeBron ignores some of the most appalling social injustices in the 21st century in communist-controlled China simply because that’s an inconvenience to LeBron’s business interests?

We get it that LeBron has a lot of problems with social injustices in America. So do most of us good people in America. But why does LeBron never comment on all of the genocide and slavery in communist-controlled China? Certainly seems more relevant to 2022 than American slavery in 1864, particularly when American billionaires like LeBron are profiting off business engagements in communist-controlled China in 2022?

That’s the only reason I’ve brought up all of this. It’s a bit odd seeing LeBron say Boston is full of racists, in contrast to his 2017 comments. He’s trying to convince JT/JB to leave Boston. That’s what he’s really up to with this nonsense. Some of us are tiring of LeBron’s nonsense now that he’s officially a made in China billionaire. Talk to us about your views on social injustice when you decide to no longer have business interests in communist-controlled China, LeBron. Until then, people who care about addressing social injustices around the world will turn to others for real leadership.

The exact same hypocrisy you're getting so worked up about from LeBron is the one you are displaying right now with India/China. Accept it

Is it?  I would see it being hypocritical if Greenly was making hundreds of millions of dollars off of Indian rights abuses, particularly if he then publicly told reporters that you were uneducated and misinformed when you spoke up about some of those abuses.

Does Lebron even say anything if he wasn't just in China though?  I always got the impression, Lebron was upset at Morey a lot more for potentially putting Lebron and the other NBA players in potential danger than anything else. His comments about being selfish don't really make sense without that context.

[Csfan1984]

I agree the hate for other players borderlines on racist level irrational. So can understand why some players confuse it. 

Players need to just accept the hate is just for them and no race involved lol.

[gouki88]

One of the only thing good about getting older is knowing Lebron will soon be in the news a lot less.

Really? I think he'll find ways to remain in the spotlight. He craves it

LeBron can run around fantasizing that the the NBA is just going to give him an expansion club in Las Vegas, diluting profits for the remaining 30 teams and bringing the aggregate talent level down by adding yet another team. Even if they do expand, which obviously seems unlikely,  they’re not going to hand expansion clubs out for below market rates. The Rockets sold for $2.2 billion about half a decade ago, so why in the world would an expansion club sell for under $2 billion? Can you imagine the bidding war for an NBA expansion club in Vegas, or even Seattle (it seems quite unlikely that an expansion club in Seattle would not spark the interest of Bezos, Gates or another west coast tech titan, so that seems a safer bet than Vegas)? LeBron may be a made in China billionaire, but he’s not a liquid multi-billionaire and probably never will be. In other words, he’s soon going to be diminishing from the spotlight, just like Kobe in 2016-2019 and MJ before him. Out with the old, in with the new: That’s just the way of things in professional sports when you leave the playing field.

Kobe was still in the spotlight with his analysis for ESPN. MJ is still in the spotlight with Charlotte and his documentary + fashion. What separates LeBron is that a) I think he cares more for the spotlight, b) he has son(s) who may be headed for the NBA, who he might play with, and c) he is already a billionaire as a player AND has an interest in ownership.

I like the casual xenophobia in your post though. Charming little touch

There’s nothing xenophobic about opposing communist party-supplied/controlled labor that is essentially the 21st century version of slavery. There’s nothing xenophobic about turning one’s nose up at those in the West, or anywhere in the world, who are ”billionaires” because of this modern-day enslavement of 1+ billion Chinese people who yearn to be free. There’s nothing xenophobjc about calling them what they are: Made in China billionaires. The Communist Party of China imposes slavery and oppression on its people and, it is now documented, even commits genocide on certain ethnic minorities within mainland China (and would like to do so to the free Chinese in Taiwan just as they have recently done to the previously free Chinese in Hong Kong). All of this is far worse than anything happening in Boston, but where’s LeBron’s comments on those social injustices?

There is nothing xenophobic about saying shame on those who profit off modern-day slavery. They can still make decent profit margins off making their stuff in free countries like Taiwan, India, and the list goes on, so why do their prioritize their greed over human rights? Standing for freedom and human rights is not xenophobia.

We've already gone over your cluelessness about world politics in plenty of other threads, but if you think India is a free country then I seriously think you're no longer acting in good faith, or you live under a rock.

Go have a look at the treatment of the ~200 million Muslim Indians (and other non-Hindus) since Modi was elected. What China does is bad, but when India does it it's fine because they're not big scary commies, right?

India is a free and democratic country, certainly compared to communist party-controlled China. Admittedly I am not aware of every social injustice in India, but I certainly oppose systematic oppression wherever it resides and do not agree with doing business in such places, or at least doing so minimally to the most practical extent possible. The counter example of Taiwan stands, same goes for Japan and South Korea and on and on the list goes including countries throughout Africa and all of the Americas. There are plenty of places to build factories to benefit free people and still maintain healthy profit margins. One should not allow their greed to lead to doing deals with devils like the Communist Party of China, who have made it abundantly clear that they wish to see the Communist Party control all resources in the world by the turn of the century. It’s time to stop being conned by these devils, and see the world isolate them until they allow their people to be free, rather than allowing tragedies like Tiananmen Square to unfold daily and quietly. We tried normalizing trade relations in hopes they would become more free and liberal. It did not work. Time to try a different approach.



That image above? LeBron likes to market himself as if he’s like that guy, but what he really is, is a dude profiting off those tanks and that system, among the most oppressive in the world.

India actively tries to disenfranchise Muslims. So free, so democratic

What does India have to do with LeBron and LeBron’s constant calls for social change while LeBron ignores some of the most appalling social injustices in the 21st century in communist-controlled China simply because that’s an inconvenience to LeBron’s business interests?

We get it that LeBron has a lot of problems with social injustices in America. So do most of us good people in America. But why does LeBron never comment on all of the genocide and slavery in communist-controlled China? Certainly seems more relevant to 2022 than American slavery in 1864, particularly when American billionaires like LeBron are profiting off business engagements in communist-controlled China in 2022?

That’s the only reason I’ve brought up all of this. It’s a bit odd seeing LeBron say Boston is full of racists, in contrast to his 2017 comments. He’s trying to convince JT/JB to leave Boston. That’s what he’s really up to with this nonsense. Some of us are tiring of LeBron’s nonsense now that he’s officially a made in China billionaire. Talk to us about your views on social injustice when you decide to no longer have business interests in communist-controlled China, LeBron. Until then, people who care about addressing social injustices around the world will turn to others for real leadership.

The exact same hypocrisy you're getting so worked up about from LeBron is the one you are displaying right now with India/China. Accept it

Is it?  I would see it being hypocritical if Greenly was making hundreds of millions of dollars off of Indian rights abuses, particularly if he then publicly told reporters that you were uneducated and misinformed when you spoke up about some of those abuses.

Same principle, different extent. Greenly is getting mad about certain rights being infringed upon by the Chinese government, but lauds the Indian government as free and democratic despite it behaving in the exact same manner.

Picking and choosing which human rights violations matter because of the ideology of the perpetrator is weird.

I get your point but let's get real here. Xi Jinping is a LOT worse than Modi. He is a full-blown dictator and will likely remain President for the rest of his life.

Under his leadership China has gone full Orwell lately with their digital surveillance and total control of their people. The dysfunction we're seeing in India would never happen in China because anyone who so much as whispers against the government is imprisoned or worse.

Modi is a bigot but he lacks the frightening level of control that China's government possesses.

For now, maybe. But if Modi continues down the track of promoting Hindu superiority I think it will be disastrous. I don’t think Modi lacks the kind of power Xi has for a lack of want - more technological capability.

One of the only thing good about getting older is knowing Lebron will soon be in the news a lot less.

Really? I think he'll find ways to remain in the spotlight. He craves it

LeBron can run around fantasizing that the the NBA is just going to give him an expansion club in Las Vegas, diluting profits for the remaining 30 teams and bringing the aggregate talent level down by adding yet another team. Even if they do expand, which obviously seems unlikely,  they’re not going to hand expansion clubs out for below market rates. The Rockets sold for $2.2 billion about half a decade ago, so why in the world would an expansion club sell for under $2 billion? Can you imagine the bidding war for an NBA expansion club in Vegas, or even Seattle (it seems quite unlikely that an expansion club in Seattle would not spark the interest of Bezos, Gates or another west coast tech titan, so that seems a safer bet than Vegas)? LeBron may be a made in China billionaire, but he’s not a liquid multi-billionaire and probably never will be. In other words, he’s soon going to be diminishing from the spotlight, just like Kobe in 2016-2019 and MJ before him. Out with the old, in with the new: That’s just the way of things in professional sports when you leave the playing field.

I like the casual xenophobia in your post though. Charming little touch

Gawd, you are a pompous ass, Gouki.

If it's pompous to call out xenophobia, then sure.

I'd rather be pompous than racist, personally

typical slimy comment by you................. and who are you accusing of being racist
and what facts do you base this self-righteous opinion on ?

Nobody, and I never did. But if your reflex, in the face of someone calling out obvious xenophobia, is to whinge about that being pompous, then I think your values are wildly wrong.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I’m confused why this conversation has meandered to India and China. Is the goal to discredit Lebron by shifting the conversation?

Boston has a tough history with race, and is a segregated city. Many can argue why this us (attempts to prove that redlining never happened).

I have been around racist comments at Fenway and the Garden. Just because one person says something harmful doesn’t mean that the whole stadium is racist. It also doesn’t excuse that comment or make it go away. I don’t think Boston is a racist city, but I’m certainly not going to try to discredit a black person when they say they have faced racism. That would be a play right from a racist’s playbook.

[Roy H.]

I don’t think Boston is a racist city, but I’m certainly not going to try to discredit a black person when they say they have faced racism. That would be a play right from a racist’s playbook.

Are you allowed to ask them for concrete examples?  And can you ask them why they decided to lump all Boston fans (and the city as a whole) together?

Can you ask him why he's willing to own 1% of the Red Sox, making money off of those same racist fans?  Is Lebron okay with profiting off of racism?  Is this consistent with him profiting off of human rights violators? 

That's how you get back to China.  Lebron is willing to throw irresponsible statements out there without taking any real action, so long as his pockets stay fat.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Definitely can ask, though I think it’s weird to doubt him. It seems like a very cynical view. I’ve witnessed stuff first hand, so I wouldn’t doubt him.

Redlining, Bussing and subsequent “white flight” was a real thing, and it’s effects are seen today.

[Roy H.]

Definitely can ask, though I think it’s weird to doubt him. It seems like a very cynical view. I’ve witnessed stuff first hand, so I wouldn’t doubt him.

I added edits, but people lie.  Jussie Smollett, other hoaxers, etc.  We live in a society that values victimhood as clout, now.  "Believe all _______". 

And, Lebron just didn't say "I've heard some comments".  He broad-brushed the entire fan base, called the city "racist as F---", and gave a couple of completely non-racist examples. 

And, in the case of the Red Sox, it seems like he dislikes racism but he sure does love money and power.  Fair?

Redlining, Bussing and subsequent “white flight” was a real thing, and it’s effects are seen today.

I agree with you overall here, but Boston is hardly the only city where this occurred. 

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I don’t think Boston is a racist city, but I’m certainly not going to try to discredit a black person when they say they have faced racism. That would be a play right from a racist’s playbook.

Are you allowed to ask them for concrete examples?  And can you ask them why they decided to lump all Boston fans (and the city as a whole) together?

Can you ask him why he's willing to own 1% of the Red Sox, making money off of those same racist fans?  Is Lebron okay with profiting off of racism?  Is this consistent with him profiting off of human rights violators? 

That's how you get back to China.  Lebron is willing to throw irresponsible statements out there without taking any real action, so long as his pockets stay fat.

I don’t hold the same knee-jerk defensiveness. I’m not sure where the irresponsible comments are.

I think you’re trying to conflate this issue by saying he’s a hypocrite about other things, so we should invalidate all of his comments. This is a technique that I don’t agree with.

You can say that you don’t like Lebron, and black players have had a tough time in Boston (esp as visiting opponents). Both can be true.

[Roy H.]

I don’t think Boston is a racist city, but I’m certainly not going to try to discredit a black person when they say they have faced racism. That would be a play right from a racist’s playbook.

Are you allowed to ask them for concrete examples?  And can you ask them why they decided to lump all Boston fans (and the city as a whole) together?

Can you ask him why he's willing to own 1% of the Red Sox, making money off of those same racist fans?  Is Lebron okay with profiting off of racism?  Is this consistent with him profiting off of human rights violators? 

That's how you get back to China.  Lebron is willing to throw irresponsible statements out there without taking any real action, so long as his pockets stay fat.

I don’t hold the same knee-jerk defensiveness. I’m not sure where the irresponsible comments are.

I think you’re trying to conflate this issue by saying he’s a hypocrite about other things, so we should invalidate all of his comments. This is a technique that I don’t agree with.

You can say that you don’t like Lebron, and black players have had a tough time in Boston (esp as visiting opponents). Both can be true.

Sure both things can be true.  But, I need to assess Lebron's credibility.  He's willing to make money off of the Red Sox, gladly taking it from people he perceives as "racist as f---".  Would somebody genuinely interested in social justice do that so willingly?  Or, perhaps, was he just broad-brushing an entire fanbase based upon the actions of few few (if any)?

Defensive?  I'm just acting for proof from somebody spouting a stereotype, particularly in a case where Lebron's prior words (from 2017) and actions (buying into the Sox) are inconsistent with what he said.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I’ve lived within 30 miles of Boston for most of my life, mostly in white dominated towns. I’ve heard too many ugly things first hand to categorically dismiss Lebron, or push him for proof. I don’t think this area is as open minded as some believe it to be. Growing up hearing the N word used a lot, I’m choosing to believe Lebron.

[Roy H.]

I’ve lived within 30 miles of Boston for most of my life, mostly in white dominated towns. I’ve heard too many ugly things first hand to categorically dismiss Lebron, or push him for proof. I don’t think this area is as open minded as some believe it to be. Growing up hearing the N word used a lot, I’m choosing to believe Lebron.

You can believe him.  The statement that you're believing is "They racist as f---", referring to why he hates Boston.

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

I’ve lived within 30 miles of Boston for most of my life, mostly in white dominated towns. I’ve heard too many ugly things first hand to categorically dismiss Lebron, or push him for proof. I don’t think this area is as open minded as some believe it to be. Growing up hearing the N word used a lot, I’m choosing to believe Lebron.

You can believe him.  The statement that you're believing is "They racist as f---", referring to why he hates Boston.

I’m not offended by that, as I know I’m not racist. When I go to games, I don’t get hammered and yell at human beings as if they are animals/something less than me.

It’s also his opinion. It doesn’t have to be right. It’s his experience. You can have a different experience that forms your opinion. My experiences are consistent with what  Lebron and Adam Jones (from the Orioles) have said.

[Roy H.]

I’ve lived within 30 miles of Boston for most of my life, mostly in white dominated towns. I’ve heard too many ugly things first hand to categorically dismiss Lebron, or push him for proof. I don’t think this area is as open minded as some believe it to be. Growing up hearing the N word used a lot, I’m choosing to believe Lebron.

You can believe him.  The statement that you're believing is "They racist as f---", referring to why he hates Boston.

I’m not offended by that, as I know I’m not racist. When I go to games, I don’t get hammered and yell at human beings as if they are animals/something less than me.

It’s also his opinion. It doesn’t have to be right. It’s his experience. You can have a different experience that forms your opinion. My experiences are consistent with what  Lebron and Adam Jones (from the Orioles) have said.

Why do you choose to remain near Boston, with so many negative, racist experiences?

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

Family. We considered CA but with two kids decided that we wanted grandparents to be around.

I love this area. I’m also not blind to it’s faults.

I’m also white. If I thought my kids were targets, I’d move.

I also think booze plays a major role. Without drunk fans, we might have less obnoxious commentary. I’m hoping these people would just bite their tongue if they were more inhibited.

[Roy H.]

Family. We considered CA but with two kids decided that we wanted grandparents to be around.

I love this area. I’m almost not blind to it’s faults.

I’m also white. If I thought my kids were targets, I’d move.

That's interesting.  I wonder what I'd do if I thought my neighbors (broadly speaking) were extremely racist.  I suspect I wouldn't want my kids exposed to that.  Even at TD Garden, I'm worried that my kids will hear some rough language (lots of F-bombs and heckling), but if I thought they'd realistically hear racial slurs I just wouldn't take them.

I've heard racist remarks in many places, but the only place I'd describe as "racist as f---" is South Africa.  Among American cities, I'd say I've heard more inappropriate things in Charleston and Houston than Boston.  Southie has some bad areas (hostile to pretty much anybody who doesn't live there), but parts of Dorchester can be pretty unwelcoming, too. Now, disrespect to the intellectually-disabled?  Boston definitely leads the places I've travelled to in terms of use of the "R" word.