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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2022, 11:40:41 PM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

I'd ask Detroit about Olynyk.
It would not at all shock me if Olynyk is in a Celtics uniform on opening night. I can see Brad getting involved in a multi team deal where White and maybe Pritchard leave and KO winds up back here. He'd be a solid option as an 8th or 9th man playing the 5. Maybe not as a rebounder but he can play team defense, he'll compete every night and can certainly step out and provide another 3 pt threat.

Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2022, 12:28:51 AM »

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I don’t understand people thinking it would be a good idea to trade for Duncan Robinson. C’s
Would be doing Miami a favor getting that contract off their books. He’s so bad defensively that he was benched for most of the series vs Boston. If you can t play defense, Ime doesn’t let you see the floor. C’s would be better off bringing Fournier back.

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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2022, 12:28:53 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

What would adding Robinson cost?  And extra $80 million this season?  More?

That Robinson contract is a poison pill.

It is at this moment the worst contract in the nba. Wall has been bought out and Westbrook is now expiring. Horford is also now expiring. There are some that could surpass it, like beal, lillard and butler off the top of my head. I’m not sure who else is currently close to the Robinson contract.

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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2022, 12:36:59 AM »

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I don’t understand people thinking it would be a good idea to trade for Duncan Robinson. C’s
Would be doing Miami a favor getting that contract off their books. He’s so bad defensively that he was benched for most of the series vs Boston. If you can t play defense, Ime doesn’t let you see the floor. C’s would be better off bringing Fournier back.

He also barely played versus the 76ers the round earlier. Fortunately there is no way stevens trades for him so we don’t really have to worry about this.

Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #49 on: July 08, 2022, 01:30:05 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

I'd ask Detroit about Olynyk.
It would not at all shock me if Olynyk is in a Celtics uniform on opening night. I can see Brad getting involved in a multi team deal where White and maybe Pritchard leave and KO winds up back here. He'd be a solid option as an 8th or 9th man playing the 5. Maybe not as a rebounder but he can play team defense, he'll compete every night and can certainly step out and provide another 3 pt threat.

White and Pritchard for KO? That would be a disaster of a trade. Stevens would have to be out of his mind to do that.

Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2022, 06:09:26 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

What would adding Robinson cost?  And extra $80 million this season?  More?
Anyone filling that role would cost that, but if the goal is to win, you make moves like that.  I'm not sure the team as currently constructed is good enough to win.  They should absolutely go for it this year and they can cut costs next summer if it doesn't work.

Robinson was glued to the bench in the playoffs last year, when Miami was banged up and desperate for shooting. I’m all for spending that makes the team better, but this is *massive* spending for a guy who’s pretty unlikely to help. If they’re really willing to go that deep in the tax there has to be someone better.

Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2022, 06:17:41 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

What would adding Robinson cost?  And extra $80 million this season?  More?
Anyone filling that role would cost that, but if the goal is to win, you make moves like that.  I'm not sure the team as currently constructed is good enough to win.  They should absolutely go for it this year and they can cut costs next summer if it doesn't work.

Robinson was glued to the bench in the playoffs last year, when Miami was banged up and desperate for shooting. I’m all for spending that makes the team better, but this is *massive* spending for a guy who’s pretty unlikely to help. If they’re really willing to go that deep in the tax there has to be someone better.
Maybe just a down year. He was a starter the previous couple of years and was lethal from 3. If he wins you a few games here or there because he gets hot from 3, then he’s worth it in my book. Of course, it’s not my money so I don’t really care than the billionaire has to pay a little extra. I think they should use the TPE to get a big salary player and then figuring out the luxury tax going into the trade deadline.

Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2022, 07:39:36 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

What would adding Robinson cost?  And extra $80 million this season?  More?
Anyone filling that role would cost that, but if the goal is to win, you make moves like that.  I'm not sure the team as currently constructed is good enough to win.  They should absolutely go for it this year and they can cut costs next summer if it doesn't work.

Robinson was glued to the bench in the playoffs last year, when Miami was banged up and desperate for shooting. I’m all for spending that makes the team better, but this is *massive* spending for a guy who’s pretty unlikely to help. If they’re really willing to go that deep in the tax there has to be someone better.
Maybe just a down year. He was a starter the previous couple of years and was lethal from 3. If he wins you a few games here or there because he gets hot from 3, then he’s worth it in my book. Of course, it’s not my money so I don’t really care than the billionaire has to pay a little extra. I think they should use the TPE to get a big salary player and then figuring out the luxury tax going into the trade deadline.
Robinson is a terrible defender; why are we even talking about him?  Even Spo couldn't play him much in the playoffs so obviously no way Ime would.  He's not winning you any important games and again, he would cost $80M in one year alone with taxes.
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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2022, 07:55:15 AM »

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Robinson is a mystery.  I have no interest in him on the Celtics in any case but he stared 68 games in the regular season and then doesn't play in the playoffs?  That makes no sense.

They did get Oladipo back I guess.  He played about 8 games at the end of the season and then pretty regular minutes through the playoffs.  So I guess the call was bench Robinson and play Oladipo.  It still seems strange that you go from starter to not playing.

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« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2022, 08:29:49 AM »

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Robinson is a mystery.  I have no interest in him on the Celtics in any case but he stared 68 games in the regular season and then doesn't play in the playoffs?  That makes no sense.

They did get Oladipo back I guess.  He played about 8 games at the end of the season and then pretty regular minutes through the playoffs.  So I guess the call was bench Robinson and play Oladipo.  It still seems strange that you go from starter to not playing.
It is very strange and frankly I think Spo made a mistake.  Robinson played 3 playoff games of at least 20 minutes (2 were against Boston), in all 3 games he was a + and the team was better when he was in the game then when he was on the bench.  He was +2 overall against Boston in the 5 games he played.  I think Spo was worried a bit too much about defense and not enough about offense that he was playing lesser overall players like Gabe Vincent, Max Strus, and Caleb Martin rather than the guy who had been starting all season long and who when he gets going can alter the outcome of a game.  Those 3 guys are fine consistent players, but they aren't going to win you a game.  Robinson can win you a game and he is a guy that needs time to get into that groove.  I'm glad Robinson didn't play more against Boston, otherwise Boston might have lost the series.  Was happy to see guys like Vincent out on the floor. 

Heat didn't play Dedmon enough either.  Spo just didn't coach that Boston series very well.  He played right into Boston's hands instead of making Boston adjust. 
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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2022, 08:37:20 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

I'd ask Detroit about Olynyk.
It would not at all shock me if Olynyk is in a Celtics uniform on opening night. I can see Brad getting involved in a multi team deal where White and maybe Pritchard leave and KO winds up back here. He'd be a solid option as an 8th or 9th man playing the 5. Maybe not as a rebounder but he can play team defense, he'll compete every night and can certainly step out and provide another 3 pt threat.

White and Pritchard for KO? That would be a disaster of a trade. Stevens would have to be out of his mind to do that.
agreed.  I've dogged White for underperforming this past season and playoffs based on what we traded for him but even I think White by himself would be worth more than KO

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« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2022, 08:42:27 AM »

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If Boston truly wants to compete for championships then there is no reason to let a TPE expire just because of cost.  Now sure, if you don't find a player that makes sense that is one thing, but there are reportedly guys out there available that would fit into the TPE that would, if nothing else, provide some quality depth and insurance.  There is no reason Boston shouldn't be making moves.

Agreed!
What are the names you have heard reportedly available that are realistic and at what cost (ie draft pics, etc)?
Duncan Robinson is certainly available and the C's might get an asset to take the contract.  He'd be a nice shooter off the bench. 

I'd see what Detroit had planned for Noel.  I'd ask the Kings about Holmes and/or Len. 

And of course the big wild card is the Clippers and all those wings.

I'd ask Detroit about Olynyk.
It would not at all shock me if Olynyk is in a Celtics uniform on opening night. I can see Brad getting involved in a multi team deal where White and maybe Pritchard leave and KO winds up back here. He'd be a solid option as an 8th or 9th man playing the 5. Maybe not as a rebounder but he can play team defense, he'll compete every night and can certainly step out and provide another 3 pt threat.

White and Pritchard for KO? That would be a disaster of a trade. Stevens would have to be out of his mind to do that.
agreed.  I've dogged White for underperforming this past season and playoffs based on what we traded for him but even I think White by himself would be worth more than KO

Yeah, KO isn't worth more than a second rounder to me.  The problem is, ownership isn't going to pay the extra tax to take on his salary.  I think Boston fans underrate him overall, but he's not worth White and Pritchard, and he's also not worth the ridiculous amount ownership would have to pay him.

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Re: Report: Celtics still looking to utilize trade exception?
« Reply #57 on: July 08, 2022, 08:49:21 AM »

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Personally, I 'd keep White.   Both Smart and Brogdon will miss playing time.  I don't Pritchard is the answer at back up.  He's very situational    If he comes in and he's hitting, he's fine, if he is not he is subpar in the other areas like D and passing.

Use the exception and pay the tax if you want to win.

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« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2022, 09:26:54 AM »

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How about using the TPE to get Saric? Suns have been considering moving him to cut salary for a while, and he could fit into the Theis role very nicely. He should be ready to go now after his acl recovery. It's been over a year since his surgery.

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« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2022, 09:32:48 AM »

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How about using the TPE to get Saric? Suns have been considering moving him to cut salary for a while, and he could fit into the Theis role very nicely. He should be ready to go now after his acl recovery. It's been over a year since his surgery.
Saric isn't worth $80 million for one year. Sorry.