Am I the only one wanting more?

[celticsclay]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

[celticsclay]

I would like Aldridge, seems warriors may be interested

[gouki88]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

Where is Gallo?

Yeah, I had missed him when I posted that and had edited a follow-up post to include him some.  He does help some.  I still think a big is far more important than a wing though even with Gallo.  And a big that has actually shown the ability to stay healthy unlike Bryant.  That is why I'd target Howard on a vet minimum deal.  I think he'd be interested in coming here and trying to win a title and there will be opponents where he is one of the most important guys on the floor (like say when playing Embiid).

I agree with your core point - a big is most important

[GreenBoomer]

Gotta have depth up front. Another example, in '85 Maxwell was limited by a knee injury, Greg Kite gets the call. Maxwell later traded to the Clippers for Walton.

[GreenBoomer]

And BTW, they lost in '85 to LAL. Yuk. A healthy Cedric or a solid replacement  and we possibly win 3 straight ('84, '85, '86).

[GreenEnvy]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

Where is Gallo?

Yeah, I had missed him when I posted that and had edited a follow-up post to include him some.  He does help some.  I still think a big is far more important than a wing though even with Gallo.  And a big that has actually shown the ability to stay healthy unlike Bryant.  That is why I'd target Howard on a vet minimum deal.  I think he'd be interested in coming here and trying to win a title and there will be opponents where he is one of the most important guys on the floor (like say when playing Embiid).

I’d much rather roll the dice in Bryant than Howard. Bryant is a career 36% 3PT and 76% FT shooter. Spaces the floor and isn’t terrible at the line. Also has a higher career net rating than Howard.

Howard is literally a rebounder and nothing else anymore.

[Moranis]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

That was a playoff rotation.  During the regular season, he'd get a lot more than that.  But in the playoffs, I'd be shocked if he plays much more than 12 mpg.  Brogdon is taking a lot of his minutes. 

[RockinRyA]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

That was a playoff rotation.  During the regular season, he'd get a lot more than that.  But in the playoffs, I'd be shocked if he plays much more than 12 mpg.  Brogdon is taking a lot of his minutes.

I doubt that. I think we'll play a lot more brown at the 3.

[gouki88]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

That was a playoff rotation.  During the regular season, he'd get a lot more than that.  But in the playoffs, I'd be shocked if he plays much more than 12 mpg.  Brogdon is taking a lot of his minutes.

I doubt that. I think we'll play a lot more brown at the 3.

Agree. I think, come playoff time, we will see a lot of Smart-Brogdon-Brown-Tatum alongside a big man. White will get more minutes as he can fit into those lineups too. Might even see some three guard lineups over the regular season.

[ozgod]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

That was a playoff rotation.  During the regular season, he'd get a lot more than that.  But in the playoffs, I'd be shocked if he plays much more than 12 mpg.  Brogdon is taking a lot of his minutes.

I doubt that. I think we'll play a lot more brown at the 3.

Agree. I think, come playoff time, we will see a lot of Smart-Brogdon-Brown-Tatum alongside a big man. White will get more minutes as he can fit into those lineups too. Might even see some three guard lineups over the regular season.

Yes I saw an article somewhere, either ESPN+ or the Athletic, about how lineups always get smaller and quicker come playoff time. I'm sure we will see a lot more of those 2-3 guard lineups.

[Who]

Brogdon needs 28-32mpg in the playoffs. He is our Manu Ginobili.

[gouki88]

Brogdon needs 28-32mpg in the playoffs. He is our Manu Ginobili.

I love that comparison

[Goldstar88]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

Feel like JB and JT are going to get worn out playing that many minutes in the postseason.

PG: Smart(30) White(18)
SG: Brown(30), Brogdon(18)
SF: Tatum(30) Brogdon (12)Brown(6)
PF: Horford (20) Grant(22) Tatum(6)
C:  Timelord (32) Horford(10) Grant(6)

36 minutes in the playoffs from your 2 best players just isn't enough.  Those are regular season minutes, not playoff ones.

Also, your minutes don't add up right (45 at SF) and in that rotation why is Brogdon playing SF when he is in the game with Brown.  And Grant at center, Tatum at PF, with Brown, Brogdon, and Smart is way to small a lineup that they should never use regularly.

The team absolutely needs 2 big men

Edit: I forgot about Gallinari, he helps as he can play PF.  I'd rather Howard than Bryant though as the other bench big.

My bad on the SF minutes, booze. Anyway, having starters play 40min every game is too much even in the playoffs, IMO. Elimination games, fine. Tatum looked gassed in the Finals, as did Al. Brogdon should be playing 30mpg during the regular season and postseason. He’s a better player than Smart is. The minutes delegations isn’t a lineup chart, Btw. I would only want Grant at C when the other team goes small. Otherwise he would be in the game at PF with Rob or Al at C.

[#1P4P]

Chemistry is an interesting point to raise, and definitely one that is worth consideration. It's why I am so against the potential addition of someone like Marcus Morris or Jae Crowder. Guys who have previously been issues in the locker-room, and who believe they deserve more of a share of the ball than they would get here. They also don't really fill a need, in my opinion.

The only issue I have with our roster construction is, assuming Ime perseveres with the dual-big starting lineup, we do not really have a backup 5 unless we have Grant or Gallo play there. I don't think either is ideal as the 2nd string centre (fine as 3rd string in small ball lineups). However, if we start Brogdon/White, then that is solved by Al/Rob going to the bench.

Like this past season, Al or Rob will constantly be on the floor as the #1 and backup Center. I’d like to have a 3rd Center to play 4-8 minutes or as an injury replacement. I’m also prepared to see Gallo and Grant as the 3rd and 4th string Centers if it comes to that.

Chemistry and injury issues can derail a potential Championship team. We saw it happen to the 2018-19 Celtics team and can point out similar situations in underachieving preseason favorites. A disgruntled idiot feeling he deserves more minutes than he’s getting can implode a team by recruiting others in their dumb crusade.

Disgruntled idiot: “I deserve more minutes, you deserve more minutes, we all deserve more minutes! Who’s with me!?” In a separate conversation, he whispers to a teammate: “How is that guy getting more minutes than you? They’re trying to keep your numbers down to re-sign you for cheap.”

Which is why the main goal of the individual player has to be to do whatever they’re asked to win a Championship, not get force fed minutes to accumulate stats for the next contract. Everybody has to be on the same page.

[Moranis]

I don't think Boston needs a wing, per se, but if the right guy comes along sure.  They absolutely need a big guy though. 

This is the way I generally see the roster playing out

Playoff Rotation (tighter/more minutes)

PG - Smart 36, White 12
SG - Brown 24, Brogdon 24
SF - Tatum 34, Brown 14
PF - Horford 12, Grant 30, Tatum 6
C - Rob 30, Horford 18

Grant is the problem and that is a bigger issue in the regular season when the minutes are lessened.  Grant shouldn't be playing that many minutes and I don't want Tatum playing many more than 6 at PF.  There is also a huge issue if either Rob or Al goes down.  That rotation completely cuts Pritchard out and White doesn't play all that much.  Adding a wing just makes that worse.  Again you don't pass on talent, like a TJ Warren at a vet minimum contract, but the focus shouldn't be on a wing.

The team needs at least 1 big man and frankly probably 2.  Maybe one of them is Bryant, but he is so injury prone he makes Rob look like an ironman. Plus, he also isn't that good and can't play PF at all.

I'd take a look at Dwight Howard.  And I know he can't play PF, but I think he is the right kind of player for the team i.e. a guy that will rebound, block shots, and can handle a lob.  Team needs some toughness down low.  He is the right guy.

White at 12 minutes a game? That seems off. Closer to 20 I would think.

LMA better choice than Howard IMO as he can plan some 4 in addition to backing up at 5.

I completely agree. White would absolutely raise a stink if he was getting 12 minutes a game and would demand a trade. After what they have traded for him, and also just his talent as a player he will play at least 20

That was a playoff rotation.  During the regular season, he'd get a lot more than that.  But in the playoffs, I'd be shocked if he plays much more than 12 mpg.  Brogdon is taking a lot of his minutes.

I doubt that. I think we'll play a lot more brown at the 3.

Agree. I think, come playoff time, we will see a lot of Smart-Brogdon-Brown-Tatum alongside a big man. White will get more minutes as he can fit into those lineups too. Might even see some three guard lineups over the regular season.

I have that sort of lineup at 6 minutes a game, how much more than that do you see?  I had Brown at 14 mpg at SF in total.  I just don't think White is going to play all that much in the post season.  There aren't enough minutes to go around and White is clearly a worse player than Smart, Brogdon, and Brown.  That also doesn't account for Gallo (as I forgot him) and Pritchard with 0 (which also may not happen as his shooting has value).  Now maybe you have Smart at just like 25 mpg or something and give those to White over Brogdon, but again I don't think that is all that likely.  Playoff rotations are quite simply smaller and more compact than the regular season