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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #870 on: August 27, 2022, 06:04:14 PM »

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Now I've said the fact that they've won 50 games multiple times would deem the process a success given just how awful the Sixers had been since Barkley, but that was never the goal of the Sixers. 

I’ve avoided those debates, but the current Sixers have made it exactly as far as the Holiday / Iguodala Sixers did in the playoffs.  That can absolutely change, but to date I’m not sure that that outcome is worth several seasons of historically terrible basketball.
That is true, but when Hinkie came on Iguodala was already off the team as a result of that awful Bynum trade.  In fact, it was the terribleness of that trade that led to the conclusion a complete blow up and rebuild was necessary.

For the record, that trade was

Iguodala, Harkless, Vucevic, future 1st which couldn't convey for at least 3 years (which became De'Aaron Fox)

for

Bynum, Richardson


Bynum never played a game for the Sixers as a result of his knee injury.


So that is what Hinkie walked into a team that had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen, Thad Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, and a bunch of crap.  That was missing two 1st round picks (the one from the Bynum trade, but also one they owed the Heat) and was coming off a 34-38 season (good enough for the 11th pick).  They were never going to win with that team.  They were missing two future 1st's, which were protected in such a way it made it nearly impossible to trade future 1st's.  They had no hope.  They had to rebuild.  And sure they could have kept Holiday and tried to build around him, but everyone knew Holiday wasn't a franchise player, but was also good enough to keep the Sixers from bottoming out completely (and ending up like a team like the Kings).  The Sixers were open about it and that is what got them into trouble, but no one bats an eye when Presti tears down a much better team, with much better future assets, and better players and is now entering year 3 of the exact same thing the Sixers did.  Presti just doesn't broadcast it

For whatever it’s worth, basketball reference has Philly giving up Iguodala plus:

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Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vučević and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Orlando Magic. (1st Round pick from PHI to ORL was eventually traded back to PHI. 1st-Rd pick from LAL to ORL turns into 2017 & 2018 2nd-Rd picks if Lakers 1st-Rd pick traded to PHO/PHI does not convey by 2017

So, not as bad, but still terrible.

The only thing worthwhile during the process was picking Embiid. Which was luck. Had he not gotten hurt he’d have been too pick and Sixers would have landed Jabari Parker. If Ainge ran Sixers during the process they would have won multiple championships by now.

Well another worthwhile thing was how bad the takes were on this forum by the proud few that thought the 76ers were about to win 5 championships. A few people have been banned cause they lost it when this went south, but a few are still here with some very comical takes they seem to have forgotten they have posted. Imagine the world with saric averaging 20 8 and 5 casually and okafor a perennially 20-10 guy with Noel polishing his third dpoy trophy. Very different universe.

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #871 on: August 28, 2022, 01:03:49 PM »

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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #872 on: August 28, 2022, 01:13:09 PM »

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Tim MacMahon: Luka Doncic just limped off the floor in Munich, Germany. He was grabbing the area of his right ankle. – via Twitter espn_macmahon

Luka has ankle probems. I think he needs to lose some weight still.

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #873 on: August 28, 2022, 06:17:29 PM »

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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #874 on: August 28, 2022, 07:06:30 PM »

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Now I've said the fact that they've won 50 games multiple times would deem the process a success given just how awful the Sixers had been since Barkley, but that was never the goal of the Sixers. 

I’ve avoided those debates, but the current Sixers have made it exactly as far as the Holiday / Iguodala Sixers did in the playoffs.  That can absolutely change, but to date I’m not sure that that outcome is worth several seasons of historically terrible basketball.
That is true, but when Hinkie came on Iguodala was already off the team as a result of that awful Bynum trade.  In fact, it was the terribleness of that trade that led to the conclusion a complete blow up and rebuild was necessary.

For the record, that trade was

Iguodala, Harkless, Vucevic, future 1st which couldn't convey for at least 3 years (which became De'Aaron Fox)

for

Bynum, Richardson


Bynum never played a game for the Sixers as a result of his knee injury.


So that is what Hinkie walked into a team that had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen, Thad Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, and a bunch of crap.  That was missing two 1st round picks (the one from the Bynum trade, but also one they owed the Heat) and was coming off a 34-38 season (good enough for the 11th pick).  They were never going to win with that team.  They were missing two future 1st's, which were protected in such a way it made it nearly impossible to trade future 1st's.  They had no hope.  They had to rebuild.  And sure they could have kept Holiday and tried to build around him, but everyone knew Holiday wasn't a franchise player, but was also good enough to keep the Sixers from bottoming out completely (and ending up like a team like the Kings).  The Sixers were open about it and that is what got them into trouble, but no one bats an eye when Presti tears down a much better team, with much better future assets, and better players and is now entering year 3 of the exact same thing the Sixers did.  Presti just doesn't broadcast it

For whatever it’s worth, basketball reference has Philly giving up Iguodala plus:

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Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vučević and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Orlando Magic. (1st Round pick from PHI to ORL was eventually traded back to PHI. 1st-Rd pick from LAL to ORL turns into 2017 & 2018 2nd-Rd picks if Lakers 1st-Rd pick traded to PHO/PHI does not convey by 2017

So, not as bad, but still terrible.
Yeah, that makes more sense then what prosportstransactions had as I though Fox seemed weird. 

But it is that trade that set the Sixers down the process path.  There was no coming back from that one as that might legitimately be the worst trade in NBA history. 
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #875 on: August 28, 2022, 07:16:23 PM »

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Now I've said the fact that they've won 50 games multiple times would deem the process a success given just how awful the Sixers had been since Barkley, but that was never the goal of the Sixers. 

I’ve avoided those debates, but the current Sixers have made it exactly as far as the Holiday / Iguodala Sixers did in the playoffs.  That can absolutely change, but to date I’m not sure that that outcome is worth several seasons of historically terrible basketball.
That is true, but when Hinkie came on Iguodala was already off the team as a result of that awful Bynum trade.  In fact, it was the terribleness of that trade that led to the conclusion a complete blow up and rebuild was necessary.

For the record, that trade was

Iguodala, Harkless, Vucevic, future 1st which couldn't convey for at least 3 years (which became De'Aaron Fox)

for

Bynum, Richardson


Bynum never played a game for the Sixers as a result of his knee injury.


So that is what Hinkie walked into a team that had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen, Thad Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, and a bunch of crap.  That was missing two 1st round picks (the one from the Bynum trade, but also one they owed the Heat) and was coming off a 34-38 season (good enough for the 11th pick).  They were never going to win with that team.  They were missing two future 1st's, which were protected in such a way it made it nearly impossible to trade future 1st's.  They had no hope.  They had to rebuild.  And sure they could have kept Holiday and tried to build around him, but everyone knew Holiday wasn't a franchise player, but was also good enough to keep the Sixers from bottoming out completely (and ending up like a team like the Kings).  The Sixers were open about it and that is what got them into trouble, but no one bats an eye when Presti tears down a much better team, with much better future assets, and better players and is now entering year 3 of the exact same thing the Sixers did.  Presti just doesn't broadcast it

For whatever it’s worth, basketball reference has Philly giving up Iguodala plus:

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Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vučević and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Orlando Magic. (1st Round pick from PHI to ORL was eventually traded back to PHI. 1st-Rd pick from LAL to ORL turns into 2017 & 2018 2nd-Rd picks if Lakers 1st-Rd pick traded to PHO/PHI does not convey by 2017

So, not as bad, but still terrible.
Yeah, that makes more sense then what prosportstransactions had as I though Fox seemed weird. 

But it is that trade that set the Sixers down the process path.  There was no coming back from that one as that might legitimately be the worst trade in NBA history.

Are you really this unfamiliar with Celtics or nba history to call this the worst trade in nba history? Come on mo you are better than this, stop doubling down on nonsense. Iggy made one allstar game and it was with the 76ers.

Please explain to the rest of us how two hall of famers for Joe barry carol and rickey brown is in the same galaxy as this? Is it in the same league as Tatum and brown for garnett and pierce washed up tour ? How about bill russell for Ed McCauley? Wilt chamberlain for Archie Clark and Jerry chambers? Charles Barkley for Jeff hornacek. Please explain to us why you think trading vucevic and and iggy is the worst trade in nba history. I am absolutely riveted. This is a high bar but man this is among the funniest things I have read here.
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #876 on: August 28, 2022, 07:44:50 PM »

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The Sixers had a great thing going with Butler and Embiid the year they got knocked out by Kawhi's famous game 7 shot.

Their biggest mistake by far was letting Butler go and keeping Simmons and Harris instead.

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #877 on: August 28, 2022, 08:10:56 PM »

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Now I've said the fact that they've won 50 games multiple times would deem the process a success given just how awful the Sixers had been since Barkley, but that was never the goal of the Sixers. 

I’ve avoided those debates, but the current Sixers have made it exactly as far as the Holiday / Iguodala Sixers did in the playoffs.  That can absolutely change, but to date I’m not sure that that outcome is worth several seasons of historically terrible basketball.
That is true, but when Hinkie came on Iguodala was already off the team as a result of that awful Bynum trade.  In fact, it was the terribleness of that trade that led to the conclusion a complete blow up and rebuild was necessary.

For the record, that trade was

Iguodala, Harkless, Vucevic, future 1st which couldn't convey for at least 3 years (which became De'Aaron Fox)

for

Bynum, Richardson


Bynum never played a game for the Sixers as a result of his knee injury.


So that is what Hinkie walked into a team that had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen, Thad Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, and a bunch of crap.  That was missing two 1st round picks (the one from the Bynum trade, but also one they owed the Heat) and was coming off a 34-38 season (good enough for the 11th pick).  They were never going to win with that team.  They were missing two future 1st's, which were protected in such a way it made it nearly impossible to trade future 1st's.  They had no hope.  They had to rebuild.  And sure they could have kept Holiday and tried to build around him, but everyone knew Holiday wasn't a franchise player, but was also good enough to keep the Sixers from bottoming out completely (and ending up like a team like the Kings).  The Sixers were open about it and that is what got them into trouble, but no one bats an eye when Presti tears down a much better team, with much better future assets, and better players and is now entering year 3 of the exact same thing the Sixers did.  Presti just doesn't broadcast it

For whatever it’s worth, basketball reference has Philly giving up Iguodala plus:

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Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vučević and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Orlando Magic. (1st Round pick from PHI to ORL was eventually traded back to PHI. 1st-Rd pick from LAL to ORL turns into 2017 & 2018 2nd-Rd picks if Lakers 1st-Rd pick traded to PHO/PHI does not convey by 2017

So, not as bad, but still terrible.
Yeah, that makes more sense then what prosportstransactions had as I though Fox seemed weird. 

But it is that trade that set the Sixers down the process path.  There was no coming back from that one as that might legitimately be the worst trade in NBA history.

Are you really this unfamiliar with Celtics or nba history to call this the worst trade in nba history? Come on mo you are better than this, stop doubling down on nonsense. Iggy made one allstar game and it was with the 76ers.

Please explain to the rest of us how two hall of famers for Joe barry carol and rickey brown is in the same galaxy as this? Is it in the same league as Tatum and brown for garnett and pierce washed up tour ? How about bill russell for Ed McCauley? Wilt chamberlain for Archie Clark and Jerry chambers? Charles Barkley for Jeff hornacek. Please explain to us why you think trading vucevic and and iggy is the worst trade in nba history. I am absolutely riveted. This is a high bar but man this is among the funniest things I have read here.
Andrew Bynum didn't play a single game for the Sixers and Jason Richardson was an afterthought.  For that they gave up a future 4 time all star center in Vucevic, a Finals MVP in Iguodala, the 15th pick that season who ended up as a solid rotation player that is still in the league nearly a decade later in Harkless, and a future 1st round pick.  It was a terrible trade because there was no return of any kind for the Sixers.  Even trades like the Celtics-Nets trade, the Nets got KG and PP and a couple of playoff runs from them.  Carroll obviously wasn't McHale (or Parish) but he played a decade in the league and averaged 20 and 8 for the Warriors in his 7 years there (Rickey Brown didn't amount to anything).  And while Fultz ended up as a huge bust, they still traded him for 2 future picks - the pick Boston got back and took Carsen Edwards with and a 1st rounder that became Tyrese Maxey. 

So yeah, that was arguably the worst trade a team has ever made because they got absolutely nothing from it.  At least many of the other lopsided trades have yielded some kind of return for the team losing the trade (the 50 or so games they got from an old and injured Richardson not with standing).   
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #878 on: August 28, 2022, 08:48:03 PM »

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Now I've said the fact that they've won 50 games multiple times would deem the process a success given just how awful the Sixers had been since Barkley, but that was never the goal of the Sixers. 

I’ve avoided those debates, but the current Sixers have made it exactly as far as the Holiday / Iguodala Sixers did in the playoffs.  That can absolutely change, but to date I’m not sure that that outcome is worth several seasons of historically terrible basketball.
That is true, but when Hinkie came on Iguodala was already off the team as a result of that awful Bynum trade.  In fact, it was the terribleness of that trade that led to the conclusion a complete blow up and rebuild was necessary.

For the record, that trade was

Iguodala, Harkless, Vucevic, future 1st which couldn't convey for at least 3 years (which became De'Aaron Fox)

for

Bynum, Richardson


Bynum never played a game for the Sixers as a result of his knee injury.


So that is what Hinkie walked into a team that had Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner, Lavoy Allen, Thad Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, and a bunch of crap.  That was missing two 1st round picks (the one from the Bynum trade, but also one they owed the Heat) and was coming off a 34-38 season (good enough for the 11th pick).  They were never going to win with that team.  They were missing two future 1st's, which were protected in such a way it made it nearly impossible to trade future 1st's.  They had no hope.  They had to rebuild.  And sure they could have kept Holiday and tried to build around him, but everyone knew Holiday wasn't a franchise player, but was also good enough to keep the Sixers from bottoming out completely (and ending up like a team like the Kings).  The Sixers were open about it and that is what got them into trouble, but no one bats an eye when Presti tears down a much better team, with much better future assets, and better players and is now entering year 3 of the exact same thing the Sixers did.  Presti just doesn't broadcast it

For whatever it’s worth, basketball reference has Philly giving up Iguodala plus:

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Maurice Harkless, Nikola Vučević and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Orlando Magic. (1st Round pick from PHI to ORL was eventually traded back to PHI. 1st-Rd pick from LAL to ORL turns into 2017 & 2018 2nd-Rd picks if Lakers 1st-Rd pick traded to PHO/PHI does not convey by 2017

So, not as bad, but still terrible.
Yeah, that makes more sense then what prosportstransactions had as I though Fox seemed weird. 

But it is that trade that set the Sixers down the process path.  There was no coming back from that one as that might legitimately be the worst trade in NBA history.

Are you really this unfamiliar with Celtics or nba history to call this the worst trade in nba history? Come on mo you are better than this, stop doubling down on nonsense. Iggy made one allstar game and it was with the 76ers.

Please explain to the rest of us how two hall of famers for Joe barry carol and rickey brown is in the same galaxy as this? Is it in the same league as Tatum and brown for garnett and pierce washed up tour ? How about bill russell for Ed McCauley? Wilt chamberlain for Archie Clark and Jerry chambers? Charles Barkley for Jeff hornacek. Please explain to us why you think trading vucevic and and iggy is the worst trade in nba history. I am absolutely riveted. This is a high bar but man this is among the funniest things I have read here.
Andrew Bynum didn't play a single game for the Sixers and Jason Richardson was an afterthought.  For that they gave up a future 4 time all star center in Vucevic, a Finals MVP in Iguodala, the 15th pick that season who ended up as a solid rotation player that is still in the league nearly a decade later in Harkless, and a future 1st round pick.  It was a terrible trade because there was no return of any kind for the Sixers.  Even trades like the Celtics-Nets trade, the Nets got KG and PP and a couple of playoff runs from them.  Carroll obviously wasn't McHale (or Parish) but he played a decade in the league and averaged 20 and 8 for the Warriors in his 7 years there (Rickey Brown didn't amount to anything).  And while Fultz ended up as a huge bust, they still traded him for 2 future picks - the pick Boston got back and took Carsen Edwards with and a 1st rounder that became Tyrese Maxey. 

So yeah, that was arguably the worst trade a team has ever made because they got absolutely nothing from it.  At least many of the other lopsided trades have yielded some kind of return for the team losing the trade (the 50 or so games they got from an old and injured Richardson not with standing).   

Is this a serious post? Wilt chamberlain trade? Barkley trade? Kareem trade? Bill Russell trade? Parish and mchale trade?  You can admit when you say something dumb. I would actually respect you more. This is not the worst trade in nba history and nobody in the world besides you would even fake the argument that it was. Grow up dude. Iggy is an elite role player, vucevic is a fringe all star that has made a few more games than he should have from weak front courts (see Jamal magloire) You are talking about trades with top 5 players of all time for nothing. Can someone get banned/restricted for a post so stupid? Embarrassed this is on the forum as a regular.
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #879 on: August 28, 2022, 09:30:54 PM »

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It was a very bad trade, but ultimately, it’s not among the worst because the pieces involved were good players, but not players of a historic nature.

I agree with clay (but please tone down the language):  when talking about worst trades ever, you judge those on what was given up.

Thought experiment:

1. Celtics trade a Jaylen Brown level player for a Larry Bird level player; or

2. Celtics trade a top-55 protected #2 for a Marcus Smart level player.

Which trade is better for the Celtics / worse for the other team?


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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #880 on: August 28, 2022, 09:46:50 PM »

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It was a very bad trade, but ultimately, it’s not among the worst because the pieces involved were good players, but not players of a historic nature.

I agree with clay (but please tone down the language):  when talking about worst trades ever, you judge those on what was given up.

Thought experiment:

1. Celtics trade a Jaylen Brown level player for a Larry Bird level player; or

2. Celtics trade a top-55 protected #2 for a Marcus Smart level player.

Which trade is better for the Celtics / worse for the other team?
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Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #881 on: August 28, 2022, 10:23:42 PM »

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Ben Simmons’ problem isn’t that he’s a bad shooter.  It’s between his ears.  Mentally, he was so scared to shoot that he passed up layups.  He wouldn’t shoot at all in the fourth quarter of playoff games.

Then, he quit on his team for an entire season.

He can be a very valuable player, but not if he doesn’t get his mind right.

If you are saying this because of the hawks series than I agree. But when we beat him in the playoffs the memory was he wasn’t as egregious on that account, but you can still sag off of him even if he just isn’t shooting a 12 footer. He won’t even take the shots Robert Williams will. I’m not sure if he can make them or not, he does shoot with his wrong hand. But either way he clearly is not a better player than Brandon Ingram right now.

If they had more shooting it could have worked.

I think they just had jj reddick right?

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #882 on: August 28, 2022, 10:48:44 PM »

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Ben Simmons’ problem isn’t that he’s a bad shooter.  It’s between his ears.  Mentally, he was so scared to shoot that he passed up layups.  He wouldn’t shoot at all in the fourth quarter of playoff games.

Then, he quit on his team for an entire season.

He can be a very valuable player, but not if he doesn’t get his mind right.

If you are saying this because of the hawks series than I agree. But when we beat him in the playoffs the memory was he wasn’t as egregious on that account, but you can still sag off of him even if he just isn’t shooting a 12 footer. He won’t even take the shots Robert Williams will. I’m not sure if he can make them or not, he does shoot with his wrong hand. But either way he clearly is not a better player than Brandon Ingram right now.

If they had more shooting it could have worked.

I think they just had jj reddick right?
Ben never really shot anything whether he had jj or someone else around him. He is the coolest guy in the nba

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #883 on: August 28, 2022, 11:22:59 PM »

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Ben Simmons’ problem isn’t that he’s a bad shooter.  It’s between his ears.  Mentally, he was so scared to shoot that he passed up layups.  He wouldn’t shoot at all in the fourth quarter of playoff games.

Then, he quit on his team for an entire season.

He can be a very valuable player, but not if he doesn’t get his mind right.

If you are saying this because of the hawks series than I agree. But when we beat him in the playoffs the memory was he wasn’t as egregious on that account, but you can still sag off of him even if he just isn’t shooting a 12 footer. He won’t even take the shots Robert Williams will. I’m not sure if he can make them or not, he does shoot with his wrong hand. But either way he clearly is not a better player than Brandon Ingram right now.

If they had more shooting it could have worked.

I think they just had jj reddick right?
Ben never really shot anything whether he had jj or someone else around him. He is the coolest guy in the nba
Exactly.  It was JJ and Embiid who were a great fit offensively.  Their best halfcourt offense was Redick/Embiid dribble hand-offs.  While Simmons shooting issues are a big problem, he really isn't good at running a half-court offense either.  When the Sixers had Butler that one season, they took the ball out of Simmons hands and had Butler run their halfcourt offense in crunch time of the playoffs.  If he'd been a big Rondo like I initially thought he might be, the Sixers would have been much better off even with the shooting issues. 

In theory, KD and Kyrie ought to be a very good fit for Simmons.  Let Kyrie run the offense.  With KD and Kyrie and some secondary shooting, they don't need Simmons to shoot much.  He can focus on defense, do some rebounding and get out in transition.  He'd be getting paid star money but not have star responsibility. 

Re: NBA Off Season 2022
« Reply #884 on: August 28, 2022, 11:29:23 PM »

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It was a very bad trade, but ultimately, it’s not among the worst because the pieces involved were good players, but not players of a historic nature.

I agree with clay (but please tone down the language):  when talking about worst trades ever, you judge those on what was given up.

Thought experiment:

1. Celtics trade a Jaylen Brown level player for a Larry Bird level player; or

2. Celtics trade a top-55 protected #2 for a Marcus Smart level player.

Which trade is better for the Celtics / worse for the other team?
The thing about that trade was it was a 4-team trade in which all 4 teams arguably lost the trade. 

The 4 teams received the following:

Lakers - Dwight Howard, Earl Clark, and Chris Duhon

Sixers - Bynum and Richardson

Nuggets - Iguodala

Magic - Aaron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Christian Eyenga, Josh McRoberts, Nikola Vucevic, Mo Harkless, Rodions Kurucs, 2013 2nd (Romero Osby), 2014 1st from Denver (Dario Saric), 2017 2nd (Wesley Iwundu), 2017 1st from Philly (De'Aaron Fox)

Obviously the Magic did the best, but they also gave up the best player in the trade and have had 1 winning season in the decade since.  That trade precipitated the Lakers and Sixers going into multi-season rebuilds and the Nuggets had Iggy for just 1 season before he left in free agency the next summer (it was a sign and trade but the Nuggets only got Foye and a worse 2nd rounder).  It was a 4-team trade that at best didn't work out or at worst was an epic disaster. 

To your hypothetical, there is something to the idea that if you give up a player like Bird and "only" get a player like Brown back in return as being worse than giving up a player like Smart and only getting a future 2nd round pick in return, as the guys like Bird can alter a franchise more than a guy like Smart, however you still have a player like Brown in the Bird scenario.  That isn't going to crush your franchise and set you on a path to destruction, like a trade where you give up 3 quality players and a future 1st for absolutely nothing.  That is the type of trade that leads a franchise to conclude something like the process is the only viable path forward. 

I mean here is an article grading that trade at the time.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/grade-the-trade-magic-trade-dwight-howard-to-la-lakers-in-four-way-deal/

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Grade: A-

Well, so much for that "Spencer Hawes and Kwame Brown will start" idea.

The Sixers have talked so long about trading Iguodala and they finally pulled the trigger, landing a franchise center in the process. There's a lot to be concerned about for Philly. He's an expiring contract. He can be problematic on and off-court. He's got a significant injury risk.

But he's also the second-best center in the league. The Sixers have an offensive force to turn to, their biggest problem last season. Evan Turner gave them the ability to move Iguodala without positional loss. Losing Iguodala is a phenomenal talent out the door, but they get one back in Bynum. They needed to try and take a step forward. They did. Iguodala's skills were covered by Turner and Thaddeus Young.

They saw a chance to take a big shot at a superstar center, which Bynum evolved into last year. It was time to pull the trigger.

We'll see if they can hit their target.

They got nothing from that 2nd best center in the league.


And here is a recent look back, where they of course give the Sixers an F

https://www.si.com/nba/magic/news/dwight-howard-trade-orlando-los-angeles-la-lakers-denver-nuggets-philadelphia-76ers-sixers

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Bynum's career went right off a cliff after being traded to the 76ers. After his best season yet in 2011-12 where he averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds, Bynum suffered a knee injury that held him out for the entire 2012-13 season and he never played a game for the franchise. After 26 appearances the following year for the Cleveland Cavaliers and Indiana Pacers, he never played a game in the NBA again.

Richardson suffered a knee injury of his own that limited him to 33 games in his first season in Philly. He sat out the entire 2013-14 season and played just 19 games in 2014-15 before retiring from the NBA.

By parting ways with the team's last two first-round picks and surrendering an All-Star to get virtually zero production, the Sixers wish they had this trade back.

Grade: F
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

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