Is Jaylen disgruntled?

[tenn_smoothie]

Hoping all you guys are right.

I think Celtic fans who have seen other young, talented teams that looked like they would be contenders/champions for 6 - 8 seasons, then somehow disintegrate, fear the possibility with this team. Think Bulls early 2010's, Thunder early 2010's, Sixers late 2010's still hopeful. Anyway, we see how the wrong trade or a bad injury or big egos can derail the whole future.

The Celtics franchise is due some good fortune. We have taken one gut punch after another going back to 1986 and the death of Len Bias. Even Garnett's title team was robbed of a couple more because of injury, the disastrous 4th quarter of the 2010 finals and Danny's Perk trade in 2011.

So we sit and watch and analyze and argue about every player, every coaching strategy and every front office decision. Nervously.

[Roy H.]

How 'bout now?

I mean...  I have no idea.  Some guys hear their name in rumors, and it doesn't seem to bother them.  Paul Pierce's name came up in rumors, and then he was on the verge of demanding a trade, only for all involved live happily ever after.

Ray Allen heard his name come up in rumors, and it was enough for him to leave.

JB's name has come up in rumors pretty much ever since he was drafted.  The key difference is that the Celtics never were publicly linked to including him in trade proposals, at least that I'm aware of.  The other teams always wanted him, and the Celts always walked away.

In this case, how does a guy look at it?  The Celts seemingly are the ones initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name in it.  Does Brown take it as, "I mean, it's Kevin Durant, no offense there", or does it p--- him off?

[gouki88]

I think Brown would be offended. Just a feeling

[jbpats]

In my gut this tells me this was the final straw for Jaylen with the Celtics. Unless no trade is made, and we win a championship, I don't see him staying here after this current contract.
Truthfully I'm not sure he stays even with a championship.

[celticinorlando]

Fully expect if this trade doesn’t go through brown will not be a happy camper. He needs to realize this is a business.

[ozgod]

I think Brown would be offended. Just a feeling

Yep, it's little brother syndrome.

[Roy H.]

I think Brown would be offended. Just a feeling

Yep, it's little brother syndrome.

It's interesting how the ego works in the NBA.

KG, Ray and PP said that they couldn't have come together earlier in their careers, essentially for ego reasons.

Los Angeles wasn't big enough for Shaq and Kobe.  Starbury and KG, etc.  Lots of other examples.

More recently, you've got Kyrie demanding a trade off of the Cavaliers, saying that Lebron was "sonning" him.  A handful of years of discontent later, Kyrie seemingly wants to link back up with Lebron again.

If -- and it's very speculative -- JB feels resentment that JT is untouchable and he's expendable, I get it.  I'm sure many of us have felt professional resentment before, right? 

[Vermont Green]

How 'bout now?

I mean...  I have no idea.  Some guys hear their name in rumors, and it doesn't seem to bother them.  Paul Pierce's name came up in rumors, and then he was on the verge of demanding a trade, only for all involved live happily ever after.

Ray Allen heard his name come up in rumors, and it was enough for him to leave.

JB's name has come up in rumors pretty much ever since he was drafted.  The key difference is that the Celtics never were publicly linked to including him in trade proposals, at least that I'm aware of.  The other teams always wanted him, and the Celts always walked away.

In this case, how does a guy look at it?  The Celts seemingly are the ones initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name in it.  Does Brown take it as, "I mean, it's Kevin Durant, no offense there", or does it p--- him off?

So have the Celtics been "publicly linked" to "initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name on it"?  There have been vague general references to Boston having at least spoken to BKN about Durant which may or may not even be true.  Half the league has probably at least spoken to BKN.  But a trade proposal with Brown's name on it?  What exactly was that trade proposal that you are implying the Celtics have initiated or made to BKN and have been publicly linked to?  [Update, I did see the Shams story so I understand that part now.]

As to Brown, if it is true that he is "disgruntled" (which I do not believe) then I would expect that he would be happy to be considered in a big trade.  Isn't that narrative that he is unhappy and underappreciated and wants out?  If he is happy on the Celtics and wants to run it back and win a championship, then I would expect him not to be happy about trade rumors.  But he can't be both already disgruntled and wanting out and then mad at the Celtics because there was a rumor that they had a conversation about trading him.

[Roy H.]

How 'bout now?

I mean...  I have no idea.  Some guys hear their name in rumors, and it doesn't seem to bother them.  Paul Pierce's name came up in rumors, and then he was on the verge of demanding a trade, only for all involved live happily ever after.

Ray Allen heard his name come up in rumors, and it was enough for him to leave.

JB's name has come up in rumors pretty much ever since he was drafted.  The key difference is that the Celtics never were publicly linked to including him in trade proposals, at least that I'm aware of.  The other teams always wanted him, and the Celts always walked away.

In this case, how does a guy look at it?  The Celts seemingly are the ones initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name in it.  Does Brown take it as, "I mean, it's Kevin Durant, no offense there", or does it p--- him off?

So have the Celtics been "publicly linked" to "initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name on it"?  There have been vague general references to Boston having at least spoken to BKN about Durant which may or may not even be true.  Half the league has probably at least spoken to BKN.  But a trade proposal with Brown's name on it?  What exactly was that trade proposal that you are implying the Celtics have initiated or made to BKN and have been publicly linked to?

The trade proposal talked about in the new Durant rumor thread, as reported by Shams.  The Celtics initiated an offer of Brown + White + #1 for Durant, and received a counter-offer that included Brown + Smart + picks.

That's not vague.  That's a public link by one of the two most reliable names in the business. 

[Vermont Green]

How 'bout now?

I mean...  I have no idea.  Some guys hear their name in rumors, and it doesn't seem to bother them.  Paul Pierce's name came up in rumors, and then he was on the verge of demanding a trade, only for all involved live happily ever after.

Ray Allen heard his name come up in rumors, and it was enough for him to leave.

JB's name has come up in rumors pretty much ever since he was drafted.  The key difference is that the Celtics never were publicly linked to including him in trade proposals, at least that I'm aware of.  The other teams always wanted him, and the Celts always walked away.

In this case, how does a guy look at it?  The Celts seemingly are the ones initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name in it.  Does Brown take it as, "I mean, it's Kevin Durant, no offense there", or does it p--- him off?

So have the Celtics been "publicly linked" to "initiating a trade proposal with Brown's name on it"?  There have been vague general references to Boston having at least spoken to BKN about Durant which may or may not even be true.  Half the league has probably at least spoken to BKN.  But a trade proposal with Brown's name on it?  What exactly was that trade proposal that you are implying the Celtics have initiated or made to BKN and have been publicly linked to?

The trade proposal talked about in the new Durant rumor thread, as reported by Shams.  The Celtics initiated an offer of Brown + White + #1 for Durant, and received a counter-offer that included Brown + Smart + picks.

That's not vague.  That's a public link by one of the two most reliable names in the business.

Yes, I saw that after, now I see what you were referring to as the public link.  I find it a little hard to believe but I accept that it is out there.

But if Jaylen is already disgruntled and wants out, why wouldn't he be happy to hear his name in a big trade?

[CelticSooner]

This is the kind of thing that is driving me away from the league. Constantly having to worry that your star players will bolt even if front office has built good teams around him is a joke.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think Brown would be offended. Just a feeling

Yep, it's little brother syndrome.

It's interesting how the ego works in the NBA.


If -- and it's very speculative -- JB feels resentment that JT is untouchable and he's expendable, I get it.  I'm sure many of us have felt professional resentment before, right?

I suspect your right to some extent about that ,it is   human nature I suppose especially at that age. Those feelings , coupled with Boston ‘s interest in initiating trade talks with Nets , without a strong public statement of continued commitment is rubbing Jaylen the wrong way possibly?

On the flip side , the NBA is a business first. As a player you have to understand GM’s will test the water with a generational talent up for grabs……but it still doesn’t mean your not important.
Part of life in the NBA. 
 Not a knock to be the center piece of a trade for the best player in the NBA.
I d rather have Brown for the long run myself.  I question Durrants ability to stay on the floor four more seasons .

[MarcusSmartFanClub]

This is media driven speculation. Until there’s a trade, we won’t know about the specific negotiations. We can go by what some people think, but it’s conjecture.

Much like our “analysis” of JB’s feelings. I’m not Dr. Phil.

If Jaylen hates Boston, trade him for KD. If he likes it here, keep him. My guess is that The diva KD will want out of Boston after 2 years.

[celticinorlando]

If this speculation turns brown into a poison pill then you probably should trade him anyway. I think brown can have an attitude issue anyway.

This is big boy stuff.

[Kuberski33]

This is media driven speculation. Until there’s a trade, we won’t know about the specific negotiations. We can go by what some people think, but it’s conjecture.

Much like our “analysis” of JB’s feelings. I’m not Dr. Phil.

If Jaylen hates Boston, trade him for KD. If he likes it here, keep him. My guess is that The diva KD will want out of Boston after 2 years.

This. The thing to do is for Brad to come out and make a statement that they're not trading Jaylen. If he doesn't, then the bed is made - whether they deal him for Durant or not. Either way, the Celtics current window to win a title is 2 years and no more.

After that comes uncertaintly.