Is Jaylen disgruntled?

[Roy H.]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

[RJ87]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

[Moranis]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

Even if it is just 1 season, Boston is still FAR more likely to win a title with Durant than Brown, basically ever.  Durant, right now, is just a different class of player than Brown.  Durant would be Boston's best player next season.  If you can add him and keep Tatum, you have to do it.  Basically every single time.  If the trade is basically Brown, a couple of 1st's, and either White or Grant + PP, for Durant, you have to do it.  Boston would be unguardable swapping Durant for Brown in the starting unit.  The C's would have the best title odds of any team entering a season since Durant was in GS. 

[tazzmaniac]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

The question is whether the Celts are going to offer Jaylen a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think there's a good chance that he bolts in 2 years.  From an on-court standpoint, trading 2 years of Jaylen for 4 years of KD is a win but only if KD wants to play for the Celts.  The other question is what does Tatum think of Jaylen and what would he think of acquiring KD for Jaylen.  You obviously do not want to do anything that p---es off Tatum. 

[Roy H.]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

Well, you left out this part:

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

And ignored the words "up to four years".

Depending on what the trade looks like, I think we'd be more likely to win a title in the next two years with Durant than Jaylen.  If you believe that you're getting two years of JB or two years of Durant, a trade probably makes sense.

[Roy H.]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

The question is whether the Celts are going to offer Jaylen a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think there's a good chance that he bolts in 2 years.  From an on-court standpoint, trading 2 years of Jaylen for 4 years of KD is a win but only if KD wants to play for the Celts.  The other question is what does Tatum think of Jaylen and what would he think of acquiring KD for Jaylen.  You obviously do not want to do anything that p---es off Tatum.

Do you mean a five-year max?  Because JB isn't eligible for a supermax.

[tazzmaniac]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

Even if it is just 1 season, Boston is still FAR more likely to win a title with Durant than Brown, basically ever.  Durant, right now, is just a different class of player than Brown.  Durant would be Boston's best player next season.  If you can add him and keep Tatum, you have to do it.  Basically every single time.  If the trade is basically Brown, a couple of 1st's, and either White or Grant + PP, for Durant, you have to do it.  Boston would be unguardable swapping Durant for Brown in the starting unit.  The C's would have the best title odds of any team entering a season since Durant was in GS.

Getting Kyrie for an injured IT was a no-brainer trade too.  How'd that work out? 

[Moranis]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

Even if it is just 1 season, Boston is still FAR more likely to win a title with Durant than Brown, basically ever.  Durant, right now, is just a different class of player than Brown.  Durant would be Boston's best player next season.  If you can add him and keep Tatum, you have to do it.  Basically every single time.  If the trade is basically Brown, a couple of 1st's, and either White or Grant + PP, for Durant, you have to do it.  Boston would be unguardable swapping Durant for Brown in the starting unit.  The C's would have the best title odds of any team entering a season since Durant was in GS.

Getting Kyrie for an injured IT was a no-brainer trade too.  How'd that work out?

Fine. 

[Vermont Green]

I think these are two separate questions.  Is Brown disgruntled and would it be smart to trade Brown for Durant whether he is gruntled or not.  Durant is a great player.  If you want him on the team and think he can stay healthy and take the team over the top, then you trade Brown for him.  Whether Brown hung out with Kyrie or not would not factor into my decision at this point in time.

I would not want to trade Brown for Durant though.  We are a good young team that may be a few roster tweaks away from another trip to the finals.  BKN is not going to trade Durant other than for a massive package that will probably turn out to be an overpay.  We don't need to overpay to get Durant.

As I have said earlier, next off season, maybe you look more closely at where Brown wants to be or even at the trade deadline in 2024.  And at that point, if it comes to that, let someone overpay for Brown.  Don't use Brown as part of an overpay for an aging, emotionally uncertain, player like Durant.

[RJ87]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

You can't guarantee 4 years of Durant, though. He's asking out in the 1st year of a 4 year contract. What's to say he doesn't ask out in a year or two if we trade for him?

I'm okay with trading Brown in the right deal. But is Durant that guy? He's bailed whenever he's faced any challenge at the NBA level. OKC gets eliminated after being up 3-1? He joins the team that beat them. Things get testy between him and Draymond in Golden State? He bolts to Brooklyn. Brooklyn rightfully doesn't want to commit a 4 year max to Kyrie after 3 years of part-time play? He asks for a trade.

He's never been happy wherever he's played. He's a malcontent. That's what we'd call any player with less accolades.

Even if it is just 1 season, Boston is still FAR more likely to win a title with Durant than Brown, basically ever.  Durant, right now, is just a different class of player than Brown.  Durant would be Boston's best player next season.  If you can add him and keep Tatum, you have to do it.  Basically every single time.  If the trade is basically Brown, a couple of 1st's, and either White or Grant + PP, for Durant, you have to do it.  Boston would be unguardable swapping Durant for Brown in the starting unit.  The C's would have the best title odds of any team entering a season since Durant was in GS.

I just don't trust Durant at this point. His ego is a wrecking ball. He's going to leave Brooklyn in a far worse position than when he got there and they have no title to show for it. He and Kyrie got a good coach fired and half the team traded (the Jarrett Allen saga was egregious - from wanting Deandre to start over him to trading him). For all of Jaylen's warts, he's respectful to his teammates, the coaching staff, the media, and the fans. He actually cares.

I live in the New York area, so I get the full Durant media circus. I'd rather have Jaylen on this team for two years than Durant. He's not worth the headache. Especially if there's no Steph Curry, Draymond Green, and a healthy Klay Thompson already in your lineup.

[tazzmaniac]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

The question is whether the Celts are going to offer Jaylen a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think there's a good chance that he bolts in 2 years.  From an on-court standpoint, trading 2 years of Jaylen for 4 years of KD is a win but only if KD wants to play for the Celts.  The other question is what does Tatum think of Jaylen and what would he think of acquiring KD for Jaylen.  You obviously do not want to do anything that p---es off Tatum.

Do you mean a five-year max?  Because JB isn't eligible for a supermax.

That's a good point but he still has two more seasons to become qualified. 

[Roy H.]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

The question is whether the Celts are going to offer Jaylen a SuperMax contract.  If not, I think there's a good chance that he bolts in 2 years.  From an on-court standpoint, trading 2 years of Jaylen for 4 years of KD is a win but only if KD wants to play for the Celts.  The other question is what does Tatum think of Jaylen and what would he think of acquiring KD for Jaylen.  You obviously do not want to do anything that p---es off Tatum.

Do you mean a five-year max?  Because JB isn't eligible for a supermax.

That's a good point but he still has two more seasons to become qualified.

True.  He's gotta make the All-NBA team the year before he hits free agency. 

I think the Celtics should offer him the most they can possibly offer him, particularly if the team is still playing well over the next two seasons.

[Surferdad]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

That assumes end-of-career KD is better than peak Jaylen, and I am not sure about that.

[Roy H.]

The amount of angst that can be caused because of a couple pictures is pretty amazing.

Tatum took a picture with Draymond Green....oh no, Tatum wants to go to Golden State

Brown takes pics with Kanye and Irving...oh no he's going to start acting like those two and want out of Boston.

Ridiculous.

Both are their own men. They're both intelligent young men. And neither has said anything publicly other than they want to be Boston Celtics.

Kyrie never said anything publicly, either.  And obviously, Danny should have traded him but held out false hope.

I hope Jaylen is here for the long term, but long-timers generally don’t bash the fans and hang out with flakes who bashed the franchise.  Brad needs to keep a close eye on JB.

Does "bashing the fans" now constitute liking a tweet that says Boston fans are disrespectful of him? This after the Celtics lost and fans were blaming him in part, as well as including him in trade scenarios.

The man is right. There is a loud vocal portion of the fan base that does disrespect him.

As for who Brown associates with, Tatum has hung with Kobe and Draymond Green, two guys not exactly known for their love of the Celtics. Who knows the people other Celtics players associate with? They could be flakes and not lovers of all things Celtics

This is all much ado about nothing. As long as Brown has a great relationship with Ime, Brad and his teammates that's what matters and as far as that goes, it appears those relationships are excellent.

Heck, new Celtics praise Brown for being one of the first people to call them and welcome them as new Celtics. Doing that doesn't equate with being disgruntled as a Celtic and thinking about leaving.

Twice this off-season he’s expressed displeasure with the fans.  Now he’s hanging with the guy who abandoned the franchise, burned sage here, stomped on Lucky, called Boston racist and gave fans the middle finger.

It’s sort of like your spouse staying late at “work” a lot and immediately ducking into the shower when they get home, after spending a bunch of time hanging with your cheating ex.  It’s probably nothing, right?

If that's the stuff bugging fans, they need to get past their immature ways and grow up. Who are the immature flakes, if burning sage in the Garden or stepping on Lucky, which by the way happens in every game, is something upsetting?

Unreal.

I greatly admire your backing of JB. I really do. I sincerely hope I’m wrong about the guy and you’re right. But I’m scared of us losing him for nothing. It’s a clear and present danger. Alarm are going off ever since the Kyrie comments. What is the earliest date on the calendar we can offer him a max extension, so I can update my calendar accordingly?

I don’t think the danger is clear or present. It is only as clear as the interpretation of some tweets. End it is only as present as the two seasons remaining on his contract.

I don’t know for sure if he is disgruntled or not. I suspect it is not nearly as bad as some people fear even in the worst case. And nothing that another good long playoff run won’t take care of.

I dunno if I've said this before but it honestly blows my mind that Greenly would want to trade Jaylen for KD or Kawhii, when KD literally has a horrible track record of quitting, and Kawhii not much better. I guess I get that talent beats out everything else, and some people would absolutely let KD/Harden/AD/Kawhii's of the world dictate their fate (and I guess there's an argument to be made that it's kind of inevitable, given the players are basically the most important thing to the NBA).

But yea you pared it out well Vermont --- it's just a bit mind boggling to me for Greenly to on the one hand read so much into the say 5% chance Jaylen's leaving from these Tweets and whatnot, and on the other to welcome some of these people (including KD who I feel is just ridiculous asking to leave with 4 years left on his contract) with open arms.

TP for clearly laying out the contradictions in Greenly's justifications of his trades.

I haven't been in the Greenly trade thread in ages, and I don't like most of his ideas.

But, *if* Jaylen is likely to leave, doesn't trading him for Durant make sense?  If this is the trade:

Out:  Two years of Jaylen

In:  Up to four years of Durant

...  which one would give us a better shot at a title?

There haven't been any Jaylen rumors, so it's probably much adieu about social media.  But, in the hypothetical where Brad is worried about JB bolting, does it really matter that KD has a history of demanding out, too?  He'd presumably at least give us one or two good seasons, which puts us closer to title contention.

That assumes end-of-career KD is better than peak Jaylen, and I am not sure about that.

Who do you think will be better over the next two years?

[Vermont Green]

Do you mean a five-year max?  Because JB isn't eligible for a supermax.

My understanding of the contract status is that we can offer an extension to Brown after Oct 1 but the value is limited to a 20% raise and it can only be for 3 years.

He will be eligible for a three-year extension that would pay him roughly $111 million in base salary, plus about $12 million more in incentives, while keeping him under contract through the 2026-27 season.

The problem with that is that Brown is likely to get much more if he waits and test free agency in the summer of 2024.  That is likely what he is going to do whether he is disgruntled or not.

That’s a sizable pay jump but is still expected to be plenty short of what a max deal is for a player with 7-9 years of experience in the summer of 2024. Cap estimates are a bit murky that far into the future but a safe guess here is that the max starting salary that summer for a player with Brown’s experience will be around $40 million.

The Celtics will likely put the 3-year extension on the table, it is still a great offer and adds a lot of security against waiting and risking some serious injury, but Brown is young enough and good enough that he will likely decline the extension, even if his long term plan is to stay a Celtics.  They can still pay him the most once he does become a UFA.