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Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2022, 11:58:41 PM »

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Remember when The NBA was going to release a whole game report for every game but it was clear how bad the refs were?

Should've been 3 free throws for Smart. Smart makes all 3 FTs, tie game go OT. Celtics win in OT. Done deal.


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Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #106 on: May 09, 2022, 12:38:13 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it
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I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.
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Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #107 on: May 09, 2022, 01:21:16 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

There are a lot of arguments you can make against refs influencing games but this is probably one of the dumbest ones any one has come up with. Your idea is that the refs would make a team that almost lost 50 games win the championship? Lebron is 38 and was playing aside Gabriel, Bradley reaves, Howard etc. short of the the ref literally hitting curry, green, Thompson, wiggins and pool over the head with the chairs mid game they were not winning the championship. Lol

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2022, 01:56:20 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it


I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.

The edit was a side note, meant to give more context to my opinion, not a direct response to your question.

Let me put it this way;

Every single time a game in a 7 game playoffs series was decided by 4 points or less, you can point to a single call that, if called differently, a different set of players would've had a chance for a ring.

So I'll say again, stop thinking in absolutes - start thinking in percentages. Because that's how the reffing affects the league.

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2022, 04:17:31 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it


I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.

The edit was a side note, meant to give more context to my opinion, not a direct response to your question.

Let me put it this way;

Every single time a game in a 7 game playoffs series was decided by 4 points or less, you can point to a single call that, if called differently, a different set of players would've had a chance for a ring.

So I'll say again, stop thinking in absolutes - start thinking in percentages. Because that's how the reffing affects the league.

Why think about percentages in the abstract though? If your assumption has any weight you should be able to provide a dataset - say, games in a 7 game series decided by 4 points or less.

The idea that all close games in a series are inherently the referees’ fault for a team’s loss - which is effectively what is being said, as no game is called perfectly - strikes me as silly without proof or at least an effort.
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Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2022, 05:42:00 AM »

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Felger used to call the "Green teamers" the softest fan base in the area. I didn't agree with him, but now I do.

Many freaked out about Kyrie Irving hurting the fans feelings.

In this series, the Celtics lose a tough game, and it must be someone else's fault. Doesn't matter that Kris Middleton is hurt. Doesn't matter that the Celtics took way more FT's than Milwaukee.

I didn't like the outcome, and I want to blame someone!!!

Come on people, expect more from yourselves.

Agreed.  Hopefully the actual players are looking in the mirror and not at the officiating.  If i believed in the fix the way some here seem to I wouldn't watch another NBA game again -- and it would be an easy decision.   I don't know if a handful of blogging fans and radio callers represents the fanbase, but I hope not.  Psyched for the game tomorrow and hope the C's bounce back and take control of the series.

TPs for Neruotic and MSFC.  Complaining about the refs is the most surefire way to tell me you don't know anything about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball.  And like Neurotic said, if you truly believe the games are rigged, why do you watch?  Do you go on WWE chat rooms and complain about the refereeing on that night's Monday Night Raw steel cage match?  And also, 99.9% of the people that think the refs are corrupt think that they're team is the one getting the unfair deal.  Shouldn't that alone make you see how silly this is?  That you're clearly not looking at the game objectively? 

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2022, 07:01:47 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it


I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.

The edit was a side note, meant to give more context to my opinion, not a direct response to your question.

Let me put it this way;

Every single time a game in a 7 game playoffs series was decided by 4 points or less, you can point to a single call that, if called differently, a different set of players would've had a chance for a ring.

So I'll say again, stop thinking in absolutes - start thinking in percentages. Because that's how the reffing affects the league.

Why think about percentages in the abstract though? If your assumption has any weight you should be able to provide a dataset - say, games in a 7 game series decided by 4 points or less.

The idea that all close games in a series are inherently the referees’ fault for a team’s loss - which is effectively what is being said, as no game is called perfectly - strikes me as silly without proof or at least an effort.

You literally can't imagine that?

Man. What a world.

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #112 on: May 09, 2022, 07:49:49 AM »

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Felger used to call the "Green teamers" the softest fan base in the area. I didn't agree with him, but now I do.

Many freaked out about Kyrie Irving hurting the fans feelings.

In this series, the Celtics lose a tough game, and it must be someone else's fault. Doesn't matter that Kris Middleton is hurt. Doesn't matter that the Celtics took way more FT's than Milwaukee.

I didn't like the outcome, and I want to blame someone!!!

Come on people, expect more from yourselves.
The fact that you listen to Felger and Mazz is a problem. They have nothing good to say. If I ever turn that station on I can not listen, vast majority of the time, for more than a minute. It's like watching cnn.

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #113 on: May 09, 2022, 08:09:35 AM »

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I used to listen them, then I got a car with Bluetooth and now I’m listening to podcasts.

I agree that they are ridiculous. I also agree that Bruins, Pats, and Sox fans wouldn’t cry ad nauseum due to a perceived unfair situation.

Why not address my point, versus picking out that Felger sucks (I agree)? Some fans wanted Kyrie suspended for being mean. Now some fans are trying to tell other fans that their favorite team is playing rigged games.

Is it not fair for some other fans to point out how ridiculous this is getting? Some of these comments are bulletin board material to show how spoiled Boston fans have become.

First it was Danny’s fault, then Brad, then Ime, now refs. We didn’t draft Giannis, now we’re jealous and willing to create a disingenuous narrative that the refs want us to lose. Cmon

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2022, 08:13:50 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it


I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.

The edit was a side note, meant to give more context to my opinion, not a direct response to your question.

Let me put it this way;

Every single time a game in a 7 game playoffs series was decided by 4 points or less, you can point to a single call that, if called differently, a different set of players would've had a chance for a ring.

So I'll say again, stop thinking in absolutes - start thinking in percentages. Because that's how the reffing affects the league.

Why think about percentages in the abstract though? If your assumption has any weight you should be able to provide a dataset - say, games in a 7 game series decided by 4 points or less.

The idea that all close games in a series are inherently the referees’ fault for a team’s loss - which is effectively what is being said, as no game is called perfectly - strikes me as silly without proof or at least an effort.

You literally can't imagine that?

Man. What a world.

I think you might have misunderstood what I'm trying to to say. Let me try again.

What you've said is a logical tautology until further examination.

“Referees impact basketball games” is always true.

“Every single close game of basketball was decided closely” is always true.

Neither is particularly revelatory or pertinent to the case you are trying to make, IMO. They’re jumping off points for it, but they’re not conclusions you can use to say:

“because referees impact basketball games, and every single close game of basketball is decidedly closely, the referees are a more-significant force in close basketball games than other factors.”

Which is, as I understand it, your point. I think you need more data to say that comfortably. :)
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Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2022, 08:38:10 AM »

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I just want to add that I don't think the refs whistle for teams, but for PLAYERS.

They're biased in favour of certain playstyles, and certain players.

On top of that, they're biased for specific GAMES.

That means:
 - certain players get preferential treatment over others
 - certain games need to be won/lost in order to make the league more "fun"

In short; it's all for the sake of entertainment

Not for the sake of finding the best basketball players.

Do you think the best team in the NBA wins the championship each year? If the refs are controlling the outcome of the games and it’s all for entertainment shouldn’t the team with the most popular player be winning regularly. Where’s Lebron? Why is KD on vacation right now. Those are 2 of the 3 most popular players in the NBA.

Stop thinking in absolutes.

No, I don't think the best team wins every single year. Yes I think the best team has the highest chance to win every single year.

And again; I'm not saying anything about teams; I'm talking about players. Just having two players that get preferential treatment doesn't mean you'll win. It means you have a higher chance of getting a bunch of fouls called  in your favour.

Feel free to disagree with that all you want, but stop extrapolating it into nonsense like "OH YoU thINk BeSt teAM wiN?!/1"



.edit: the winner of the NBA championship gets to call themselves the best basketball team in the NBA. Doesn't mean they actually are, realistically. If you don't understand why, I can try and explain it


I wasn’t asking who gets to call themselves the best team, I wanted to know if you think the best team is actually the one winning the championship year in and year out. Was there a year when a team won and you thought they didn’t deserve it and the officials slanted the series to the point where the best team didn’t end up winning.

Does the home team typically get more calls than the road team? Sure. Do super stars get certain calls that average Players don’t, Yep. Does that mean the NBA is for entertainment only like the WWE? I don’t think so.  The best team will win the series.

The edit was a side note, meant to give more context to my opinion, not a direct response to your question.

Let me put it this way;

Every single time a game in a 7 game playoffs series was decided by 4 points or less, you can point to a single call that, if called differently, a different set of players would've had a chance for a ring.

So I'll say again, stop thinking in absolutes - start thinking in percentages. Because that's how the reffing affects the league.

Why think about percentages in the abstract though? If your assumption has any weight you should be able to provide a dataset - say, games in a 7 game series decided by 4 points or less.

The idea that all close games in a series are inherently the referees’ fault for a team’s loss - which is effectively what is being said, as no game is called perfectly - strikes me as silly without proof or at least an effort.

You literally can't imagine that?

Man. What a world.

I think you might have misunderstood what I'm trying to to say. Let me try again.

What you've said is a logical tautology until further examination.

“Referees impact basketball games” is always true.

“Every single close game of basketball was decided closely” is always true.

Neither is particularly revelatory or pertinent to the case you are trying to make, IMO. They’re jumping off points for it, but they’re not conclusions you can use to say:

“because referees impact basketball games, and every single close game of basketball is decidedly closely, the referees are a more-significant force in close basketball games than other factors.”

Which is, as I understand it, your point. I think you need more data to say that comfortably. :)

100 possessions per game
40 fouls per game

in a 7 game series
700 possessions
280 fouls called

1 mistake can mean the difference

Refs would have to have LESS THAN 0.36% error rate to not affect the outcome of the series.

Now, look at end-of-game reports and how often refs get it wrong.

That's all I'm saying.

All of this excludes non-calls.

I might be wildly wrong here but before doing any looking at numbers, in my mind, it was already so ludicrously close that a ref could super easily swing a close series.


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« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2022, 08:47:11 AM »

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Is the issue one mistake or is it a pattern?

Re: NBA FIXXED GAME, AGAIN!
« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2022, 08:49:44 AM »

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Is the issue one mistake or is it a pattern?

The issue is that even with miniscule adjustment in whistles, that nobody will ever notice until you start combing through the full 48 mins of film, refs can influence a game with a couple of calls.

And everything the media says plays into it.

"Game of runs" - can be as simple as a slightly different whistle.

The more rules we get in this game, the easier it becomes to influence too.

Anyway, I'ma stop now. This isn't gonna lead anywhere anyway. I think I'm just over it all. Again.

And that's the really the crux here. Not trying to convince anyone, just trying to explain why I feel the way I do about the game right now.

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« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2022, 08:50:40 AM »

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Felger used to call the "Green teamers" the softest fan base in the area. I didn't agree with him, but now I do.

Many freaked out about Kyrie Irving hurting the fans feelings.

In this series, the Celtics lose a tough game, and it must be someone else's fault. Doesn't matter that Kris Middleton is hurt. Doesn't matter that the Celtics took way more FT's than Milwaukee.

I didn't like the outcome, and I want to blame someone!!!

Come on people, expect more from yourselves.

Agreed.  Hopefully the actual players are looking in the mirror and not at the officiating.  If i believed in the fix the way some here seem to I wouldn't watch another NBA game again -- and it would be an easy decision.   I don't know if a handful of blogging fans and radio callers represents the fanbase, but I hope not.  Psyched for the game tomorrow and hope the C's bounce back and take control of the series.

TPs for Neruotic and MSFC.  Complaining about the refs is the most surefire way to tell me you don't know anything about basketball without telling me you know nothing about basketball.  And like Neurotic said, if you truly believe the games are rigged, why do you watch?  Do you go on WWE chat rooms and complain about the refereeing on that night's Monday Night Raw steel cage match?  And also, 99.9% of the people that think the refs are corrupt think that they're team is the one getting the unfair deal.  Shouldn't that alone make you see how silly this is?  That you're clearly not looking at the game objectively?

Being frustrated because Giannis is allowed to play like Jerome Bettis is different than thinking every game is rigged. I have not been losing my mind over the refs, but I certainly understand why people think the no-calls on Giannis (and the Bucks in general) may have led to our own guys getting out of their heads and not playing the way they need to play to win.

Saying people who complain about the refs 'know nothing about basketball' seems really off. Ime complained about the refs, Smart complained about the refs, Tatum complained to the refs seemingly every trip down the floor - I am going to assume they know something about basketball.

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« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2022, 08:55:51 AM »

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I’m shocked by the tinfoil hats in here, holy moly. I think the refs did a relatively poor job refereeing a physical game that is extremely difficult to ref, but to suggest that the league is rigged over this game is laughable.

How about Tatum shows up? How about avoiding an abysmal third quarter? You’ve got to overcome poorly officiated games to win the title. It’s that simple

Don’t think my hat has too much aluminum in it. I mean we’re discussing a shadily reffed game where the crew chief was the guy Tim Donaghy called for 30 seconds before every game he bet on. I guess you think Jeffrey Epstein offed himself?

It's no secret.



https://www.sportscasting.com/almost-all-nba-referees-do-this-according-to-tim-donaghy/



WOW JUST WOW. not surprised though.

"What Donaghy did was tip off an old friend about who he believed was the odds-on favorite to win the game based on league mandates about fouls and other violations that would be cracked down upon regarding certain teams and players. It was a success, as Donaghy’s predictions gave the benefactors of his information an 88% success rate. "

"He has been outspoken about his claim that the 2002 Western Conference Finals were purposely extended another game for more league money and more money in the pockets of the referees, and he explained why series’ such as this can dictate the way a game is called."

WOW. exactly what i stated in an earlier post. donaghy backs me up. well there it is.

above quotes cannot be rebutted. it is well documented the league favors certain players and certain OUTCOMES at CERTAIN TIMES. what many of you do not get is just because we swept the nets does not always mean the league wanted it that way. sometimes you can overcome their agenda.  SOMETIMES. anyone thinking the NBA is an honest and ethical business without monetary outcomes at stake needs to do some research. many of which liam already posted and i broke down in quotes.
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