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SVG is right
« on: May 03, 2022, 09:35:35 PM »

Offline angryguy77

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If we don't get more in the paint it's going to end up badly for us.

We need a better solution than relying on 3's.

Happy with the win but it didn't give me a lot of confidence.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2022, 09:41:29 PM »

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Well we have more films now of how they are defending us. Coming in you know the bucks are gonna defend the paint and give you threes, they have the personnel to do so.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2022, 09:44:26 PM »

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Oh, I thought you were going to say the blatant favoritism for Giannis and swallowing of the whistle for his half dozen charges every game.
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2022, 09:44:53 PM »

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I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.

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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2022, 09:53:17 PM »

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Oh, I thought you were going to say the blatant favoritism for Giannis and swallowing of the whistle for his half dozen charges every game.

I agree, it's atrocious what they allow that goof to get away with. It makes the games unenjoyable at times.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2022, 09:54:10 PM »

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Oh, I thought you were going to say the blatant favoritism for Giannis and swallowing of the whistle for his half dozen charges every game.

Giannis leads with his elbow on his drives or Horford would block the crap out of his layups.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2022, 09:56:58 PM »

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If we don't get more in the paint it's going to end up badly for us.

We need a better solution than relying on 3's.

Happy with the win but it didn't give me a lot of confidence.

This is how the Bucks have defended all season. They have 3 7 footers, they pack the paint and they prefer to give up 3s. They led the league in opponent 3FGA with 40.6 and in opponent 3 makes with 14. Nearly half of all FGs vs Milwaukee were 3s.



And they are 4th in the league in opposition points in the paint allowed (we are 2nd).



It will be interesting to see if Ime goes Bill Belichick and attacks the Bucks where they are strongest, or will he take advantage of the available shots on the perimeter. There's obviously a big difference in the quality of the 3s that we can take, tonight we were able to get a lot more open ones where we forced the Bucks into rotation with multiple dribble penetration from different angles and they hit them. We shot 46% from 3 tonight. I'm ok with those 3s taken. I don't like it when they settle for 3s without trying to get dribble penetration first because then the interior defenders don't have to do anything but get ready for the rebound.

But yes it's never comfortable when our team has to depend on hitting 3s to win  ??? but it's a challenge getting to the rim when they have all that tall timber in there. It's the same challenge the Bucks are facing against us really. Giannis is shooting 20 of 52, he's having a torrid time trying to score. It will be interesting to see what Ime comes up with.



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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2022, 09:59:08 PM »

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I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.
Yeah, SVG was pretty funny about that. His co-commentator brought up the greatest 3PT discrepancy in a series (GSW v OKC in 2016) and SVG seemed quite surprised that the Celtics were heading to a similar gap.
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I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.

Arguably he helped create it.  His Orlando offense of Dwight + four shooters was very influential for modern offenses IMO. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2022, 10:07:22 PM »

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If we don't get more in the paint it's going to end up badly for us.

We need a better solution than relying on 3's.

Happy with the win but it didn't give me a lot of confidence.

This is how the Bucks have defended all season. They have 3 7 footers, they pack the paint and they prefer to give up 3s. They led the league in opponent 3FGA with 40.6 and in opponent 3 makes with 14. Nearly half of all FGs vs Milwaukee were 3s.



And they are 4th in the league in opposition points in the paint allowed (we are 2nd).



It will be interesting to see if Ime goes Bill Belichick and attacks the Bucks where they are strongest, or will he take advantage of the available shots on the perimeter. There's obviously a big difference in the quality of the 3s that we can take, tonight we were able to get a lot more open ones where we forced the Bucks into rotation with multiple dribble penetration from different angles and they hit them. We shot 46% from 3 tonight. I'm ok with those 3s taken. I don't like it when they settle for 3s without trying to get dribble penetration first because then the interior defenders don't have to do anything but get ready for the rebound.

But yes it's never comfortable when our team has to depend on hitting 3s to win  ??? but it's a challenge getting to the rim when they have all that tall timber in there. It's the same challenge the Bucks are facing against us really. Giannis is shooting 20 of 52, he's having a torrid time trying to score. It will be interesting to see what Ime comes up with.

If we stay hot then yeah, we have to keep taking g them. I just hope they can switch gears if they're not falling next game.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2022, 10:14:39 PM »

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But yes it's never comfortable when our team has to depend on hitting 3s to win  ??? but it's a challenge getting to the rim when they have all that tall timber in there. It's the same challenge the Bucks are facing against us really. Giannis is shooting 20 of 52, he's having a torrid time trying to score. It will be interesting to see what Ime comes up with.

Feels like we basically never shoot long 2's. But I guess when JB/JT get hot they just take whatever they can and that's a sensible tactic (rather than letting the role players shoot those long 2's).

I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.

Arguably he helped create it.  His Orlando offense of Dwight + four shooters was very influential for modern offenses IMO.

Kind of like how Pop hates the 3. (taking your's and gouki's comments together)
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I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.

Didn't SVG ran a 4-shooter, 1-big offense with the Magic back in the days

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I couldn't watch but feels like SVG is one of those guys that really resist the 3 point revolution.

If you don't shoot the open 3 they'll collapse in the paint.

Stan was the Magic coach that started Dwight surrounded by four shooters. He understands that there has to be a balance between long and short range shots.

They’re loading up in the paint and giving us wide open threes, our good shooters should continue to shoot them early and our less efficient shooters should look to drive and kick or finish, especially late in games.

People criticized White tonight, but he saw the writing on the wall after a few misses, only took 6 shots and made the right play, pass or drive and pass.

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If we don't get more in the paint it's going to end up badly for us.

We need a better solution than relying on 3's.

Happy with the win but it didn't give me a lot of confidence.

We too easily revert back to bad offensive habits, dribbling the clock down
instead of moving the ball and getting it out of our hands quickly, Tatum especially.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2022, 12:21:42 AM »

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If we don't get more in the paint it's going to end up badly for us.

We need a better solution than relying on 3's.

Happy with the win but it didn't give me a lot of confidence.

We too easily revert back to bad offensive habits, dribbling the clock down
instead of moving the ball and getting it out of our hands quickly, Tatum especially.

I was wondering if that was actually a deliberate strategy for them to try to run the clock down and play with slower pace, because I saw them do it a few times vs. the Nets. I think trying to do that is fraught with danger especially with 5+ minutes still left, even if they have a 15+ lead, because it goes away from what had been successful. I can see it being done to preserve a 10 point lead with a minute or so left but not when there's that much time on the clock.
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