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Re: SVG is right
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2022, 03:52:35 PM »

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Stan should probably win some kind of award for his color commentary last night. He hit so many things on the head and spoke the absolute truth about stuff that national NBA announcers and talking heads just don't speak about.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics did pass on at least 4 easy layups for passes out to the 3 point line and weren't even looking at the basket to score.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics cannot only rely on three point shooting to win this series.

Yes, Stan, the refs did appear to completely ignore the rules of the game and allow Giannis to run through and over set defenders to put in a layup.

Yes, Stan, the refs were calling fouls on plays that weren't there in the first half.

Yes, Stan, Grant Williams was incredible last night guarding Giannis.

Yes, Stan, you were spot on about so, so much last night. Good to see a national NBA color commentator decide to not be hyperbolic in selling the NBA and it's players and decide to be an astute and truthful observer of what was going on in the game.

Who are the top 5 color commentators these days?
Better question. Are there 5 top color commentators?

Both Van Gundys, Doris Burke, Breen, Harlan?

Can't stand Webber, and it is well past time for Hubie Brown to hang them out.
Aren't Burke, Breen and Harlan play by play people?

I believe Burke would definitely be considered a color analyst. You are right that Breen is a play by play guy. I thought maybe Harlan did both, but I could be mistaken.

Re: SVG is right
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2022, 04:01:01 PM »

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Stan should probably win some kind of award for his color commentary last night. He hit so many things on the head and spoke the absolute truth about stuff that national NBA announcers and talking heads just don't speak about.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics did pass on at least 4 easy layups for passes out to the 3 point line and weren't even looking at the basket to score.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics cannot only rely on three point shooting to win this series.

Yes, Stan, the refs did appear to completely ignore the rules of the game and allow Giannis to run through and over set defenders to put in a layup.

Yes, Stan, the refs were calling fouls on plays that weren't there in the first half.

Yes, Stan, Grant Williams was incredible last night guarding Giannis.

Yes, Stan, you were spot on about so, so much last night. Good to see a national NBA color commentator decide to not be hyperbolic in selling the NBA and it's players and decide to be an astute and truthful observer of what was going on in the game.

Who are the top 5 color commentators these days?
Better question. Are there 5 top color commentators?

Both Van Gundys, Doris Burke, Breen, Harlan?

Can't stand Webber, and it is well past time for Hubie Brown to hang them out.
Aren't Burke, Breen and Harlan play by play people?

I believe Burke would definitely be considered a color analyst. You are right that Breen is a play by play guy. I thought maybe Harlan did both, but I could be mistaken.

Breen & Harlan are play by play.  Burke is typically a color analyst.


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Re: SVG is right
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2022, 04:02:31 PM »

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I think he's somewhat correct, in that if we go cold from outside, we're screwed. However, the Celtics were generating a lot of open looks by going to the basket. You can't ask for much better than that. I suppose maybe Milwaukee doesn't help as aggressively and then those shots aren't as open. But it won't take long for Tatum, Brown and White to figure that out and go hard for layups/free throws.

It's a make or miss league. This is going to be a make or miss series. As long as the defense holds up, we won't be without opportunities to win most games.

I don’t know. Milwaukee’s interior defense softened up in the 3rd quarter and our guys were still trying to drive and dish. It looked like our offense stagnated worse than it probably did because 1) yeah our guys got impatient and started taking the first shot available and 2) Milwaukee placed emphasis on defending the perimeter better which opened up driving lanes our guys didn’t take advantage of

I do hope the C’s can attack the mid range more. Like Horford mixing in more mid range J’s with his threes would be a welcome sight. Same for JB and Tatum

Yeah, I attribute that to a bit of complacency with the lead, though. We'll see.

Re: SVG is right
« Reply #48 on: May 04, 2022, 04:11:10 PM »

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I think he's somewhat correct, in that if we go cold from outside, we're screwed. However, the Celtics were generating a lot of open looks by going to the basket. You can't ask for much better than that. I suppose maybe Milwaukee doesn't help as aggressively and then those shots aren't as open. But it won't take long for Tatum, Brown and White to figure that out and go hard for layups/free throws.

It's a make or miss league. This is going to be a make or miss series. As long as the defense holds up, we won't be without opportunities to win most games.

I don’t know. Milwaukee’s interior defense softened up in the 3rd quarter and our guys were still trying to drive and dish. It looked like our offense stagnated worse than it probably did because 1) yeah our guys got impatient and started taking the first shot available and 2) Milwaukee placed emphasis on defending the perimeter better which opened up driving lanes our guys didn’t take advantage of

I do hope the C’s can attack the mid range more. Like Horford mixing in more mid range J’s with his threes would be a welcome sight. Same for JB and Tatum

Yeah, I attribute that to a bit of complacency with the lead, though. We'll see.

Or they were just getting mentally and physically tired.  We played the whole game with a lead but it never felt comfortable.  Kind of like pitchers in baseball, one high stress inning is as draining 3 low stress innings.  To me, we looked tired and a little gun-shy at the end.  Smart will help with that and I feel we should play Theis some.

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« Reply #49 on: May 04, 2022, 04:18:35 PM »

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Stan should probably win some kind of award for his color commentary last night. He hit so many things on the head and spoke the absolute truth about stuff that national NBA announcers and talking heads just don't speak about.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics did pass on at least 4 easy layups for passes out to the 3 point line and weren't even looking at the basket to score.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics cannot only rely on three point shooting to win this series.

Yes, Stan, the refs did appear to completely ignore the rules of the game and allow Giannis to run through and over set defenders to put in a layup.

Yes, Stan, the refs were calling fouls on plays that weren't there in the first half.

Yes, Stan, Grant Williams was incredible last night guarding Giannis.

Yes, Stan, you were spot on about so, so much last night. Good to see a national NBA color commentator decide to not be hyperbolic in selling the NBA and it's players and decide to be an astute and truthful observer of what was going on in the game.

Who are the top 5 color commentators these days?
Better question. Are there 5 top color commentators?

Both Van Gundys, Doris Burke, Breen, Harlan?

Can't stand Webber, and it is well past time for Hubie Brown to hang them out.
Aren't Burke, Breen and Harlan play by play people?

I believe Burke would definitely be considered a color analyst. You are right that Breen is a play by play guy. I thought maybe Harlan did both, but I could be mistaken.

Personally, I think that's part of what makes a great play-by-play person, it's not that obvious what they do because the broadcast tends to flow so smoothly when they're doing it.

Remember those "Players Only" broadcasts TNT used to do a few years ago?  It became painfully obvious how good guys like Breen and Harlan are when they're not there to carry the broadcast.

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« Reply #50 on: May 04, 2022, 04:32:14 PM »

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I think he's somewhat correct, in that if we go cold from outside, we're screwed. However, the Celtics were generating a lot of open looks by going to the basket. You can't ask for much better than that. I suppose maybe Milwaukee doesn't help as aggressively and then those shots aren't as open. But it won't take long for Tatum, Brown and White to figure that out and go hard for layups/free throws.

It's a make or miss league. This is going to be a make or miss series. As long as the defense holds up, we won't be without opportunities to win most games.

I don’t know. Milwaukee’s interior defense softened up in the 3rd quarter and our guys were still trying to drive and dish. It looked like our offense stagnated worse than it probably did because 1) yeah our guys got impatient and started taking the first shot available and 2) Milwaukee placed emphasis on defending the perimeter better which opened up driving lanes our guys didn’t take advantage of

I do hope the C’s can attack the mid range more. Like Horford mixing in more mid range J’s with his threes would be a welcome sight. Same for JB and Tatum

Yeah, I attribute that to a bit of complacency with the lead, though. We'll see.

Or they were just getting mentally and physically tired.  We played the whole game with a lead but it never felt comfortable.  Kind of like pitchers in baseball, one high stress inning is as draining 3 low stress innings.  To me, we looked tired and a little gun-shy at the end.  Smart will help with that and I feel we should play Theis some.
I agree generally, we played 7 guys. I don't know where Theis' minutes could have come from. Certainly not White or Pritchard. And with Smart out we needed Al's passing.

Re: SVG is right
« Reply #51 on: May 04, 2022, 04:58:39 PM »

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I think he's somewhat correct, in that if we go cold from outside, we're screwed. However, the Celtics were generating a lot of open looks by going to the basket. You can't ask for much better than that. I suppose maybe Milwaukee doesn't help as aggressively and then those shots aren't as open. But it won't take long for Tatum, Brown and White to figure that out and go hard for layups/free throws.

It's a make or miss league. This is going to be a make or miss series. As long as the defense holds up, we won't be without opportunities to win most games.

I don’t know. Milwaukee’s interior defense softened up in the 3rd quarter and our guys were still trying to drive and dish. It looked like our offense stagnated worse than it probably did because 1) yeah our guys got impatient and started taking the first shot available and 2) Milwaukee placed emphasis on defending the perimeter better which opened up driving lanes our guys didn’t take advantage of

I do hope the C’s can attack the mid range more. Like Horford mixing in more mid range J’s with his threes would be a welcome sight. Same for JB and Tatum

Yeah, I attribute that to a bit of complacency with the lead, though. We'll see.

Or they were just getting mentally and physically tired.  We played the whole game with a lead but it never felt comfortable.  Kind of like pitchers in baseball, one high stress inning is as draining 3 low stress innings.  To me, we looked tired and a little gun-shy at the end.  Smart will help with that and I feel we should play Theis some.
I agree generally, we played 7 guys. I don't know where Theis' minutes could have come from. Certainly not White or Pritchard. And with Smart out we needed Al's passing.

Horford played 37 minutes and GWill played 35, these are both well above their season averages.  You expect some uptick in the playoffs but I think this much uptick impacted how they played at the end.  And for Theis' role, it is as much about fouls as it is about minutes.  RWill only played 25 min but he was limited due to fouls.  Both RWill and Horford had 5 fouls.  Where would be be if one or both of them fouled out?  So give Theis 5 of Horford's minutes and hopefully a couple of his fouls, plus maybe 5 min or more of GWill's minutes and I think we will be better for it in the 4th quarter.  We need RWill for 25 minutes, not suggesting he play less than that, he will just need to play without getting in foul trouble.

I understand this was an all in game with Smart out.  But I think for the next two games at least (I am not looking past that), we should be mixing Theis in to save a few minutes and a few fouls.  Theis was +6 overall against BKN in 19.5 minutes (3.5 fouls per game average).  Now granted, we didn't have RWill so he was going to get more minutes but I don't see why it should hurt us that much to put him out there for some spot minutes.  I am saying that even 10-12 min. would make a difference.

Smart will take minutes from White and Pritchard and that is a win but he can also allow Tatum and Brown to play a little less which would hopefully give them a little more juice at the end of the game.  Even if Tatum and Brown play the same minutes, I think having Smart on the court with them cuts down on their stress, reduces the pressure on them to push the action.  Smart takes on some of that in a way that White and Pritchard just can't.

Re: SVG is right
« Reply #52 on: May 04, 2022, 05:51:11 PM »

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Again I agree generally.
But last game GWIII only played 25 min, so none there for Theis.
With Smart out, I think we need Al, for the play making.

Maybe ironically I think there are more minutes for Theis when Smart is available.
With Smart in the game I can see sprinkling minutes for Theis to lighten the load on the rest of the big/wings.

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« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2022, 06:26:37 PM »

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I kinda like Richard Jefferson as a colour commentator, and Grant Hill. I find them infinitely better than people like Hubie Brown or Chris Webber
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Stan should probably win some kind of award for his color commentary last night. He hit so many things on the head and spoke the absolute truth about stuff that national NBA announcers and talking heads just don't speak about.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics did pass on at least 4 easy layups for passes out to the 3 point line and weren't even looking at the basket to score.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics cannot only rely on three point shooting to win this series.

Yes, Stan, the refs did appear to completely ignore the rules of the game and allow Giannis to run through and over set defenders to put in a layup.

Yes, Stan, the refs were calling fouls on plays that weren't there in the first half.

Yes, Stan, Grant Williams was incredible last night guarding Giannis.

Yes, Stan, you were spot on about so, so much last night. Good to see a national NBA color commentator decide to not be hyperbolic in selling the NBA and it's players and decide to be an astute and truthful observer of what was going on in the game.

Who are the top 5 color commentators these days?
Better question. Are there 5 top color commentators?

Both Van Gundys, Doris Burke, Breen, Harlan?

Can't stand Webber, and it is well past time for Hubie Brown to hang them out.
Aren't Burke, Breen and Harlan play by play people?

I believe Burke would definitely be considered a color analyst. You are right that Breen is a play by play guy. I thought maybe Harlan did both, but I could be mistaken.

Doris has done PBP when they have tried to have more female voices doing PBP but in her partnership with Mark Jones she does color with Jones doing the PBP. Breen and Harlan have always been PBP from my recollection.
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« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2022, 07:14:55 PM »

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Stan should probably win some kind of award for his color commentary last night. He hit so many things on the head and spoke the absolute truth about stuff that national NBA announcers and talking heads just don't speak about.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics did pass on at least 4 easy layups for passes out to the 3 point line and weren't even looking at the basket to score.

Yes, Stan, the Celtics cannot only rely on three point shooting to win this series.

Yes, Stan, the refs did appear to completely ignore the rules of the game and allow Giannis to run through and over set defenders to put in a layup.

Yes, Stan, the refs were calling fouls on plays that weren't there in the first half.

Yes, Stan, Grant Williams was incredible last night guarding Giannis.

Yes, Stan, you were spot on about so, so much last night. Good to see a national NBA color commentator decide to not be hyperbolic in selling the NBA and it's players and decide to be an astute and truthful observer of what was going on in the game.

Who are the top 5 color commentators these days?
Better question. Are there 5 top color commentators?

Both Van Gundys, Doris Burke, Breen, Harlan?

Can't stand Webber, and it is well past time for Hubie Brown to hang them out.
Aren't Burke, Breen and Harlan play by play people?

I believe Burke would definitely be considered a color analyst. You are right that Breen is a play by play guy. I thought maybe Harlan did both, but I could be mistaken.

Doris has done PBP when they have tried to have more female voices doing PBP but in her partnership with Mark Jones she does color with Jones doing the PBP. Breen and Harlan have always been PBP from my recollection.
Also, in most of her other basketball gigs over the years, she was primarily PBP. That's why thought she was a PBP person 

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« Reply #56 on: May 04, 2022, 07:34:56 PM »

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I kinda like Richard Jefferson as a colour commentator, and Grant Hill. I find them infinitely better than people like Hubie Brown or Chris Webber
This for sure. Jefferson gets overlooked a lot and doesn’t get enough love/respect. Dude lets the game speak for itself - provides genuine insight - and doesn’t try too hard to leave his print on the broadcast.

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« Reply #57 on: May 04, 2022, 07:46:49 PM »

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I kinda like Richard Jefferson as a colour commentator, and Grant Hill. I find them infinitely better than people like Hubie Brown or Chris Webber
This for sure. Jefferson gets overlooked a lot and doesn’t get enough love/respect. Dude lets the game speak for itself - provides genuine insight - and doesn’t try too hard to leave his print on the broadcast.
His jokes are also way more natural than some of the forced ones done by other colour commentators. He should hopefully see more games next season
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« Reply #58 on: May 04, 2022, 07:54:07 PM »

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My favorite Stan comment
were his criticism of Tatum and Brown overdribbling.

1 instance per player I believe.  And he went so far as to call it early Celtic season type play. (or last season type play..don't remember).
He's so right on that.  He explained how, aside from the turnovers in each case, it just slows everything down.

The other comment I liked was referencing some past coach who said never let them pressure you.  Just go by them when they pressure you and look to pass.  Easier said than done...but trying to fancy dribble out of defensive pressure is just not good basketball, at least at the level of the NBA.

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My favorite Stan comment
were his criticism of Tatum and Brown overdribbling.

1 instance per player I believe.  And he went so far as to call it early Celtic season type play. (or last season type play..don't remember).
He's so right on that.  He explained how, aside from the turnovers in each case, it just slows everything down.

The other comment I liked was referencing some past coach who said never let them pressure you.  Just go by them when they pressure you and look to pass.  Easier said than done...but trying to fancy dribble out of defensive pressure is just not good basketball, at least at the level of the NBA.
I remember that comment -- think he was referencing Bob Mcadoo when he was playing.  I could be wrong.