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Re: LeBron going full Wilt and I'm not impressed...
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2022, 03:38:22 PM »

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But yes he’s obviously stat padding because even in blowout losses he’s playing 40 min.

Maybe Frank Vogel is trying out the Ime method? Lol.


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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2022, 03:41:24 PM »

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He’s definitely stat chasing lebron has become a volume shooter I am not sure how efficient he is . He’s taking close to 7 3s - the game against the rockets he was 1-9 from 3. I mean that’s the way things are trending though in the league.

He’s quite efficient.  He’s got a .588 eFG% / .617 TS%, both fifth highest of his career.

A lot of that is scoring in games that are already decided with no one playing defense.
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Re: LeBron going full Wilt and I'm not impressed...
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2022, 03:49:44 PM »

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He’s definitely stat chasing lebron has become a volume shooter I am not sure how efficient he is . He’s taking close to 7 3s - the game against the rockets he was 1-9 from 3. I mean that’s the way things are trending though in the league.

He’s quite efficient.  He’s got a .588 eFG% / .617 TS%, both fifth highest of his career.

A lot of that is scoring in games that are already decide with no one playing defense.

Do we say the same thing about Tatum?  He plays in plenty of blowouts.  Is that why the Net Rating of our starters is so good?

I suspect that statistically, Lebron performs about as well in close games as blowouts.  Perhaps better, even, because a lot of those blowouts presumably come from Lebron having an off game.


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« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2022, 04:56:06 PM »

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Lebron's just following in a long line of Laker superstars who focus on their own stats and self promotion above all else.


He's also an old man on a losing team. I'm sure he knows his days of winning rings are over and he may as well use this period to highlight his personal legacy by putting up big numbers and who cares what happens with the franchise.

Most us knew Westbrook was not a good fit and not a very good player for a contending team. The guy who should be getting the blame is AD. He was supposed to be a perennial MVP candidate and the cornerstone of the franchise going forward. He's been a complete disappointment since getting his ring in the bubble.

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« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2022, 05:50:49 PM »

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Lebron's on/off differential per 100 possessions is +1.0, so the team is in fact better when he is on the floor then when he sits.  They are 3-10 since Davis went down again.  They've only played 22 games together and are 12-10 in those games, which is obviously only ok, but certainly isn't terrible.  They are 5-10 in games Davis plays without Lebron and 12-19 with Lebron and no Davis.  They've had very little consistency among those 2 guys and they absolutely need both of them to have any shot at playing well.  And Lebron is in year 19 at age 37 playing for a bad team.  Probably the worst roster in the sport outside of Lebron and Davis (who haven't played much together).
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« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2022, 05:54:47 PM »

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Lebron's on/off differential per 100 possessions is +1.0, so the team is in fact better when he is on the floor then when he sits.

Yikes.  For a star player, that seems pretty lousy.

He’s only sitting 10 minutes or so per game, but I’m surprised the margin isn’t greater.  The Lakers bench is putrid.


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« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2022, 06:25:32 PM »

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Lebron's on/off differential per 100 possessions is +1.0, so the team is in fact better when he is on the floor then when he sits.

Yikes.  For a star player, that seems pretty lousy.

He’s only sitting 10 minutes or so per game, but I’m surprised the margin isn’t greater.  The Lakers bench is putrid.

Yeah I think that number has come down a lot the last month or two
As he has completely given up putting in effort on D. It is a very hollow stats season for him imo.

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« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2022, 08:12:42 PM »

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Lebron's on/off differential per 100 possessions is +1.0, so the team is in fact better when he is on the floor then when he sits.

Yikes.  For a star player, that seems pretty lousy.

He’s only sitting 10 minutes or so per game, but I’m surprised the margin isn’t greater.  The Lakers bench is putrid.
It hasn't been great all year.  The team just isn't very good.  That is his career low.  His last year in Cleveland (the 2nd time) he was +1.9 and his rookie year he was +2.2.  He has only been below +8.2 one other time (+7 his last year in Miami).  Part of the issue is they are still negative with him in the game this year at -2.4  per 100 possessions.  His rookie year is the only other time his team actually was worse with him on the floor than the other team.  The roster just blows. 

Of course then you get weird things like Morant being -1.5 per 100 possessions in the on/off and his team winning at an even better rate in the games he misses.  It isn't the be all end all, but I do think it represents value and in that Lebron is still positive to his team in his 19th year.  The Lakers have been outscored by just under 3 ppg.  They just aren't good.
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« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2022, 08:47:56 PM »

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. The guy who should be getting the blame is AD. He was supposed to be a perennial MVP candidate and the cornerstone of the franchise going forward. He's been a complete disappointment since getting his ring in the bubble.

Excuse me. Say what you will about Anthony Day-to-dayvis, but he earned his nickname properly: ADNP.
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« Reply #24 on: March 20, 2022, 08:59:23 PM »

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Here is how ridiculous and impressive Kareem Abdul Jabar (and even Karl Malone) scoring record is

….he (they) scored all those points without basically the help of 3 pointers.  And so, if you replace LeBrons 3s with 2s; I wonder how close to breaking the record he really is?🧐


Perhaps there should be “before” and “after” 3pt era  for scoring records.

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Here is how ridiculous and impressive Kareem Abdul Jabar (and even Karl Malone) scoring record is

….he (they) scored all those points without basically the help of 3 pointers.  And so, if you replace LeBrons 3s with 2s; I wonder how close to breaking the record he really is?🧐


Perhaps there should be “before” and “after” 3pt era  for scoring records.

Subtract 2134.  So, it would probably add a bit more than a season to his pursuit.


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« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2022, 09:55:46 PM »

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Here is how ridiculous and impressive Kareem Abdul Jabar (and even Karl Malone) scoring record is

….he (they) scored all those points without basically the help of 3 pointers.  And so, if you replace LeBrons 3s with 2s; I wonder how close to breaking the record he really is?🧐


Perhaps there should be “before” and “after” 3pt era  for scoring records.

Subtract 2134.  So, it would probably add a bit more than a season to his pursuit.
I never buy that argument.  If we are to assume that Lebron would have still taken roughly those 6161 3 pointers (he made 2130 or 6390 points), but instead they were 2 point attempts, and if he hit those at his career average of 55.2%, he would have made 3401 2 pointers or scored 6802 points (without accounting for FT's on those - which are more likely than 3's).  In other words, Lebron would have scored more points if those 3 point shots were converted to 2 point shots. 

Lebron would have thrived in any era because Lebron is not only a physical specimen but also an intelligent and very skilled player. 
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Re: LeBron going full Wilt and I'm not impressed...
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2022, 09:21:24 AM »

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I'll be glad when that blight on the NBA is gone.

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« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2022, 10:00:24 AM »

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That current roster (no AD) without LeBron is 10-12 win team over an 82 game season. It is dreadful. No wonder he is frustrated. I would be too if I were in his shoes.

LeBron is the only thing stopping them from being the worst team in basketball.

A team he pretty much built himself, so if he's frustrated, it is at himself.

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That current roster (no AD) without LeBron is 10-12 win team over an 82 game season. It is dreadful. No wonder he is frustrated. I would be too if I were in his shoes.

LeBron is the only thing stopping them from being the worst team in basketball.

A team he pretty much built himself, so if he's frustrated, it is at himself.

Don't you know that its never Lebron's fault?


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