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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2022, 02:38:29 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #76 on: March 22, 2022, 02:42:57 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now
I love it ;D

Julius Randle declining suddenly has hurt them a lot. Fournier and Kemba have also not lived up to expectations
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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2022, 02:56:16 AM »

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We are already headed to the top. There are two things that would set us on course for being a dynasty:

1. Pritchard becomes a decent defender.
2. Nesmith has a third year leap on par with what we’ve seen this year with Grant.

These two things happen, we are in amazing shape the rest of the 2020s (assuming JB/JT stay here), especially if each year we add solid depth via MLE and hit on some draft picks like we did with Timelord and Grant. And anybody who thinks we’re going to play “Miser Danny” games again by not paying Horford is just not paying attention to how much Horford impacts winning. The dude is getting paid next year whether he’s guaranteed or not. One of Danny’s biggest mistakes was not paying Al. Brad will not repeat that mistake.
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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2022, 02:57:17 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now
I love it ;D

Julius Randle declining suddenly has hurt them a lot. Fournier and Kemba have also not lived up to expectations

Honestly it was pretty cool when their team was doing well. Gritty, old school.

Their eye for talent is pretty awful though. Kemba and Fournier are so done. Rose is a nepotism signing but he's so unreliable now.

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2022, 03:07:22 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now
I love it ;D

Julius Randle declining suddenly has hurt them a lot. Fournier and Kemba have also not lived up to expectations

Honestly it was pretty cool when their team was doing well. Gritty, old school.

Their eye for talent is pretty awful though. Kemba and Fournier are so done. Rose is a nepotism signing but he's so unreliable now.
I haven't forgiven New York for ending the Big 3 era!
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2022, 03:16:30 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now
I love it ;D

Julius Randle declining suddenly has hurt them a lot. Fournier and Kemba have also not lived up to expectations

Honestly it was pretty cool when their team was doing well. Gritty, old school.

Their eye for talent is pretty awful though. Kemba and Fournier are so done. Rose is a nepotism signing but he's so unreliable now.
I haven't forgiven New York for ending the Big 3 era!

Wade pulling down Rondo did it ugh.

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #81 on: March 22, 2022, 03:58:58 AM »

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Gosh Gouk and Nicky, I apologize.
I forgot that it is now unacceptable to discuss any possible weaknesses the Celtics have that may prevent title contention.

Nick, most of your posts these days are lashing out at anyone who is not all-positive, all-on-board the Celtics bandwagon.

My suggestions were offered as a way to help the team I want to win the title. I was responding to the OP's question. I guess the Mods should have locked this thread immediately because it suggests the Celtics might need some improvement in order to be serious contenders. But I will watch my language from now on and follow current board rules: Positive Thoughts Only !!!!
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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #82 on: March 22, 2022, 05:03:14 AM »

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Gosh Gouk and Nicky, I apologize.
I forgot that it is now unacceptable to discuss any possible weaknesses the Celtics have that may prevent title contention.

Nick, most of your posts these days are lashing out at anyone who is not all-positive, all-on-board the Celtics bandwagon.

My suggestions were offered as a way to help the team I want to win the title. I was responding to the OP's question. I guess the Mods should have locked this thread immediately because it suggests the Celtics might need some improvement in order to be serious contenders. But I will watch my language from now on and follow current board rules: Positive Thoughts Only !!!!
Don't be so precious. Your post came off as if you haven't been watching the last 25 games. There is no better team in the whole league right now, yet we are 3 players away from being title contenders? It's simply unreasonable
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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #83 on: March 22, 2022, 06:33:09 AM »

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I think our current core can take all teams right now. I have never seen such dominance even since the start of Brad Stevens era. This reminded of of how the Big 3 Celtics dominated the league.

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #84 on: March 22, 2022, 07:01:55 AM »

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We are already headed to the top. There are two things that would set us on course for being a dynasty:

1. Pritchard becomes a decent defender.
2. Nesmith has a third year leap on par with what we’ve seen this year with Grant.

These two things happen, we are in amazing shape the rest of the 2020s (assuming JB/JT stay here), especially if each year we add solid depth via MLE and hit on some draft picks like we did with Timelord and Grant. And anybody who thinks we’re going to play “Miser Danny” games again by not paying Horford is just not paying attention to how much Horford impacts winning. The dude is getting paid next year whether he’s guaranteed or not. One of Danny’s biggest mistakes was not paying Al. Brad will not repeat that mistake.

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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #85 on: March 22, 2022, 07:06:13 AM »

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What tough interior PFs even exist in the league at this point?  I feel like that's largely a dead player archetype outside of perhaps a half-dozen players.  Not sure why you would consider that to be one of your major team needs. 

I would argue that with Horford and Grant (or Robert and Grant, depending on your view of our starters' positional roles - I don't care to argue the semantics), our physicality at the 4 is better than the vast majority of NBA teams as it currently stands.
Well there's Giannis. Then there's .....ummmm....there's.......ummmm.....well.....well there's Giannis!

Maybe all the crappy ones the Knicks have. Taj Gibson and Bobby Portis and Obi Toppin. And Julius Randle, the only good one.
Bobby Portis a) plays for Milwaukee and b) shoots over 40% from 3. He's been awesome for Milwaukee this season in Lopez's absence

You're right he even won a championship

The Knicks had a good defense with all those forwards, but has fallen apart now for some reason and they just stink now
I love it ;D

Julius Randle declining suddenly has hurt them a lot. Fournier and Kemba have also not lived up to expectations

Honestly it was pretty cool when their team was doing well. Gritty, old school.

Their eye for talent is pretty awful though. Kemba and Fournier are so done. Rose is a nepotism signing but he's so unreliable now.
I haven't forgiven New York for ending the Big 3 era!

Wade pulling down Rondo did it ugh.

The Perk trade did it. 


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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #86 on: March 22, 2022, 07:23:19 AM »

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Really good question. Red was always the best in the game at acquiring just the players a team needed to get over the title hump. Havlicek kept the 60's dynasty going, Paul Silas made the 70's group into a title team, Parrish and McHale were brought in to get us past the 76ers who had too much size for us in the 1980's ECF. Then we traded for Dennis Johnson '84 when we needed a little new blood and a big, defensive stopper in the backcourt - plus he had the perfect mentality to be a Celtic.

For me, this team needs three players to start winning titles - a playmaking point guard, a tough power forward who has an inside scoring game and a knock-down shooter. We need more than one addition. Those three coming off the bench to replace the current group that gets minimum minutes are what we need. We are too dependent on the first 8 and Ime is playing the starters into the ground.

Pritchard could develop into the shooter, but he is not at the level of prime Kyle Korver or JJ Reddick.
Horford is our current power forward, but is aging and does not bring the physicality we need to add inside.
A playmaking point guard is a desperate need and could be a starter.
Marcus Smart has 6th Man of the Year written all over him - if he was willing to accept the role.

A couple months ago I would have been fully on board with at least two out of the three needs.  And, there's no doubt in my mind that we still need a long-term replacement for Al (I don't think it's Grant Williams), and we need another shooter.  But really, to be contenders next season, I think all we really need is that shooter who can do a few other things.  A pure offense, no defense shooter won't get run with Ime.  As for PG, between Marcus and White, they can handle things.

To me, as I've mentioned, the guy is Harrison Barnes.  He checks every box:

1.  He can start at PF or play SF off the bench;
2.  He's an excellent shooter;
3.  He's on a reasonable contract;
4.  He brings legit scoring punch;
5.  He's decent as a rebounder and a passer

Timelord / Theis
Horford / Grant
Tatum / Barnes
Brown / White
Marcus / Pritchard

or, going small:

Timelord
Barnes
Tatum
Brown
Marcus

or, pure shooting:

Horford
Barnes
Tatum
Brown
Pritchard

The tricky part is obtaining him.  As discussed in another thread, it would be a two step process, where we acquire a player (preferably an expiring contract) into our trade exception, and then flip that player with a #1 for Barnes sometime later.

I do like the Otto Porter suggestion above if we wanted to be more cost-conscious, but this close to a championship I'd go all-in getting a guy who could help us the next four years or so. 


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Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #87 on: March 22, 2022, 09:06:38 AM »

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Barnes would work.  Bruce Brown has looked really good this year as well though he doesn't fit into the Horford replacement that we know we need.

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #88 on: March 22, 2022, 09:34:16 AM »

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How about the Harrison Barnes clones. Aaron Gordon and Jerami Grant. I suppose they don't shoot as well.

Ultimately this all boils down to us missing Gordon Hayward  :'(

Re: What player puts the Cs over the top
« Reply #89 on: March 22, 2022, 09:39:56 AM »

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How about the Harrison Barnes clones. Aaron Gordon and Jerami Grant. I suppose they don't shoot as well.

Ultimately this all boils down to us missing Gordon Hayward  :'(

Yeah, I'm not as enamored by Grant.  One, he's more expensive.  Two, he needs the ball in his hands to produce.  Three, he's not the same type of shooter.

Same thing with Gordon, really, except that with or without the ball, he doesn't offer the same production.


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