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Re: This is what happens
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2022, 12:13:09 AM »

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This is what happens ...

when I start to believe in this team.

(That's what I was thinking when I saw the thread title!)
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Re: This is what happens
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2022, 01:19:50 AM »

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This is what happens ...

when I start to believe in this team.

(That's what I was thinking when I saw the thread title!)

You need to be more miserable for all of our sakes.

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2022, 04:39:24 AM »

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Having had time to think about the loss, I'm less worried from the long term. Obviously we don't want to lose these types of games with the East so congested because one or two losses could be what separates us from home court advantage and the play in tournament. We've dropped 7 clutch games, either where we lost by a couple of points or had a huge lead overhauled or gave up a huge lead and just fell short. We can now add this to that total for 8. So a bad loss in that sense.

That said, I don't think this really derails us. The Pistons shot 53% from 3, it's really hard to beat a team when they shoot that well, regardless of their position on the table. The question we have to ask is how much of their good shooting had to do with us defending badly, and how much had to do with them just killing it from range (Philly was probably asking themselves that question last night when we shot 55%). The advanced stats for the game aren't out yet, and I haven't watched the game yet so I don't know how many of them were open shots. I suspect Smartacus not being there had an impact on our ability to defend the perimeter. If he is out for an extended period of time we could be in some strife but apparently his ankle isn't too serious and he should be back end of ASB?

In a way if we had to lose a bad game it's good to get it out of the way now where we lose to a no hoper team. It will bring the team back to earth and make them realize they're not as special as they might think they are, and they need to keep putting the work in to be successful, because on a night when you're not on your game this can happen. That's good food for thought going into the break.
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Re: This is what happens
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2022, 07:34:08 AM »

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Having had time to think about the loss, I'm less worried from the long term. Obviously we don't want to lose these types of games with the East so congested because one or two losses could be what separates us from home court advantage and the play in tournament. We've dropped 7 clutch games, either where we lost by a couple of points or had a huge lead overhauled or gave up a huge lead and just fell short. We can now add this to that total for 8. So a bad loss in that sense.

That said, I don't think this really derails us. The Pistons shot 53% from 3, it's really hard to beat a team when they shoot that well, regardless of their position on the table. The question we have to ask is how much of their good shooting had to do with us defending badly, and how much had to do with them just killing it from range (Philly was probably asking themselves that question last night when we shot 55%). The advanced stats for the game aren't out yet, and I haven't watched the game yet so I don't know how many of them were open shots. I suspect Smartacus not being there had an impact on our ability to defend the perimeter. If he is out for an extended period of time we could be in some strife but apparently his ankle isn't too serious and he should be back end of ASB?

In a way if we had to lose a bad game it's good to get it out of the way now where we lose to a no hoper team. It will bring the team back to earth and make them realize they're not as special as they might think they are, and they need to keep putting the work in to be successful, because on a night when you're not on your game this can happen. That's good food for thought going into the break.

Yeah, I agree that ultimately this game doesn't tell us much about where we are as a team. 

That said, some observations:

1.  Part of being a coach is developing your lesser players to step in if there are injuries.  Ime hasn't done a good job this year of forcing minutes to our backups, particularly Nesmith and Pritchard.  Teams can't expect that they are going to be healthy at all times, so they need to incorporate their depth.  This is what makes Spoelstra a great coach.  Ime needs to learn this skill.

2.  The team wasn't focused.  I thought we were past taking teams for granted, but we were noticeably lazier in this game.  15 turnovers and much less ball movement that we've been seeing.

3.  Our team needs a rebounding clinic after last night.  Apparently we're relying on Timelord too much, because our forwards / wings weren't trying at all on the boards, and Horford / Theis / Williams were outmatched.  18 offensive rebounds for Detroit, 2 for us!  That was the difference in the game.

4.  Derrick White is still adjusting.  You can see he's a smart player, but he doesn't know the system fully.  His shooting has been pretty terrible, particularly outside of his first game (3-for-19 3PT the last three games).  You can clearly see the defensive skills, though.

4.  All that said, these games happen.  Just last night, Phoenix was in a dog fight with Houston.


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Re: This is what happens
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2022, 08:52:45 AM »

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We've seen some whacky results this week.

Sixers losing by 48
Celtics losing to Detroit
Depleted Portland beating Memphis
Depleted Portland beating Milwaukee
New Orleans crushing Toronto by 30
Golden State losing two in a row
Atlanta beating Cleveland.

I think after 55-60 games, a lot of teams are SOOOOOO looking forward to a week off and their vacations with families, that they take their eyes off the prize and check out a bit early. This happens a lot this time of year every year.


Re: This is what happens
« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2022, 09:00:29 AM »

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Having had time to think about the loss, I'm less worried from the long term. Obviously we don't want to lose these types of games with the East so congested because one or two losses could be what separates us from home court advantage and the play in tournament. We've dropped 7 clutch games, either where we lost by a couple of points or had a huge lead overhauled or gave up a huge lead and just fell short. We can now add this to that total for 8. So a bad loss in that sense.

That said, I don't think this really derails us. The Pistons shot 53% from 3, it's really hard to beat a team when they shoot that well, regardless of their position on the table. The question we have to ask is how much of their good shooting had to do with us defending badly, and how much had to do with them just killing it from range (Philly was probably asking themselves that question last night when we shot 55%). The advanced stats for the game aren't out yet, and I haven't watched the game yet so I don't know how many of them were open shots. I suspect Smartacus not being there had an impact on our ability to defend the perimeter. If he is out for an extended period of time we could be in some strife but apparently his ankle isn't too serious and he should be back end of ASB?

In a way if we had to lose a bad game it's good to get it out of the way now where we lose to a no hoper team. It will bring the team back to earth and make them realize they're not as special as they might think they are, and they need to keep putting the work in to be successful, because on a night when you're not on your game this can happen. That's good food for thought going into the break.

Yeah, I agree that ultimately this game doesn't tell us much about where we are as a team. 

That said, some observations:

1.  Part of being a coach is developing your lesser players to step in if there are injuries.  Ime hasn't done a good job this year of forcing minutes to our backups, particularly Nesmith and Pritchard.  Teams can't expect that they are going to be healthy at all times, so they need to incorporate their depth.  This is what makes Spoelstra a great coach.  Ime needs to learn this skill.

2.  The team wasn't focused.  I thought we were past taking teams for granted, but we were noticeably lazier in this game.  15 turnovers and much less ball movement that we've been seeing.

3.  Our team needs a rebounding clinic after last night.  Apparently we're relying on Timelord too much, because our forwards / wings weren't trying at all on the boards, and Horford / Theis / Williams were outmatched.  18 offensive rebounds for Detroit, 2 for us!  That was the difference in the game.

4.  Derrick White is still adjusting.  You can see he's a smart player, but he doesn't know the system fully.  His shooting has been pretty terrible, particularly outside of his first game (3-for-19 3PT the last three games).  You can clearly see the defensive skills, though.

4.  All that said, these games happen.  Just last night, Phoenix was in a dog fight with Houston.

Detroit also played at an unusually high level.  They hit a bunch of contested shots, were very physical and clearly came out like they cared about winning - and once they saw they had a legit shot at actually winning their confidence went up.
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Re: This is what happens
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2022, 09:09:02 AM »

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Having had time to think about the loss, I'm less worried from the long term. Obviously we don't want to lose these types of games with the East so congested because one or two losses could be what separates us from home court advantage and the play in tournament. We've dropped 7 clutch games, either where we lost by a couple of points or had a huge lead overhauled or gave up a huge lead and just fell short. We can now add this to that total for 8. So a bad loss in that sense.

That said, I don't think this really derails us. The Pistons shot 53% from 3, it's really hard to beat a team when they shoot that well, regardless of their position on the table. The question we have to ask is how much of their good shooting had to do with us defending badly, and how much had to do with them just killing it from range (Philly was probably asking themselves that question last night when we shot 55%). The advanced stats for the game aren't out yet, and I haven't watched the game yet so I don't know how many of them were open shots. I suspect Smartacus not being there had an impact on our ability to defend the perimeter. If he is out for an extended period of time we could be in some strife but apparently his ankle isn't too serious and he should be back end of ASB?

In a way if we had to lose a bad game it's good to get it out of the way now where we lose to a no hoper team. It will bring the team back to earth and make them realize they're not as special as they might think they are, and they need to keep putting the work in to be successful, because on a night when you're not on your game this can happen. That's good food for thought going into the break.

Yeah, I agree that ultimately this game doesn't tell us much about where we are as a team. 

That said, some observations:

1.  Part of being a coach is developing your lesser players to step in if there are injuries.  Ime hasn't done a good job this year of forcing minutes to our backups, particularly Nesmith and Pritchard.  Teams can't expect that they are going to be healthy at all times, so they need to incorporate their depth.  This is what makes Spoelstra a great coach.  Ime needs to learn this skill.

2.  The team wasn't focused.  I thought we were past taking teams for granted, but we were noticeably lazier in this game.  15 turnovers and much less ball movement that we've been seeing.

3.  Our team needs a rebounding clinic after last night.  Apparently we're relying on Timelord too much, because our forwards / wings weren't trying at all on the boards, and Horford / Theis / Williams were outmatched.  18 offensive rebounds for Detroit, 2 for us!  That was the difference in the game.

4.  Derrick White is still adjusting.  You can see he's a smart player, but he doesn't know the system fully.  His shooting has been pretty terrible, particularly outside of his first game (3-for-19 3PT the last three games).  You can clearly see the defensive skills, though.

4.  All that said, these games happen.  Just last night, Phoenix was in a dog fight with Houston.

Detroit also played at an unusually high level.  They hit a bunch of contested shots, were very physical and clearly came out like they cared about winning - and once they saw they had a legit shot at actually winning their confidence went up.
TP4U sir.

Redz is right. I said it in the game thread last night. Sometimes you have to tip your cap to your opponent because they play well, shoot well and really bring it. Detroit did last night

The C's meanwhile, didn't in a bunch of ways. Tatum, Boston's best player checked out mentally fairly early showing no sense of urgency, making tons of mental mistakes and showing little effort, then went iso the entire 4th quarter. And no one seemed to want to rebound the ball, which even in their worst play earlier in the season wasn't true.

As I said above, sometimes guys around the All Star break start looking forward to some vaca time. It happens.

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2022, 09:15:41 AM »

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Also, let's not kid ourselves.

Any given day, any team can beat any other team.

Even the '11-12 Bobcats beat a couple over .500 teams in their 7 wins.

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2022, 09:30:33 AM »

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1.  Part of being a coach is developing your lesser players to step in if there are injuries.  Ime hasn't done a good job this year of forcing minutes to our backups, particularly Nesmith and Pritchard.  Teams can't expect that they are going to be healthy at all times, so they need to incorporate their depth.  This is what makes Spoelstra a great coach.  Ime needs to learn this skill.

It's either win or play these guys, he choose to win.    Spoelstra has a better scouting department, plain and simple.  Were people asking for Nesmith and Pritchard during the trade deadline.   Nope, that ought to tell you all you need to know.
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2.  The team wasn't focused.  I thought we were past taking teams for granted, but we were noticeably lazier in this game.  15 turnovers and much less ball movement that we've been seeing.

True, no team is focused all the time though.   

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3.  Our team needs a rebounding clinic after last night.  Apparently we're relying on Timelord too much, because our forwards / wings weren't trying at all on the boards, and Horford / Theis / Williams were outmatched.  18 offensive rebounds for Detroit, 2 for us!  That was the difference in the game.

The whole team was bad except White in this regard.   41 minutes and 3 boards does not cut it from our starting PF.   He played very well otherwise on offense.

It was a stinker and you can bet the coaching staff here loved it as it knocks the guys down a level prior to the All Star Break

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2022, 09:31:16 AM »

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I did not see the game, I am just going by the box score, but two things jump out to me.

First, we gave up 18 offensive rebounds (we got 2) which was a big part of the reason that they got 93 shots to our 77 shots (turnovers and fouls were about even).  16 more shots at the hoop is a lot to overcome.

Second, they hit 53% from 3.  16 makes to our 13 makes.  We actually shot better overall (54% to 46%), they just had too many chances.

Probably both Smart and Williams impact rebounding.  Smart for sure impacts their 3pt shooting with his perimeter defense.

I am not too worried about a loss on the road, second of a back to back, with 2 starters out but this should be a teaching moment for them.  All these remaining games are important for playoff seeding.  They need to be the type of team that can grind these games out and win them.  That may be the final step for them this season.  Can they be that kind of team?

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2022, 09:36:35 AM »

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The team just started the All- Star break early.


They were especially full of themselves with a 9 game win streak, blowing out Philly and looking at the worst record in the NBA on the court.   

Re: This is what happens
« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2022, 09:40:02 AM »

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It's either win or play these guys, he choose to win.

I don't think this is true.  At all.  Good teams can win, even while incorporating lesser players into their rotation.   It's not like the guys Miami or Chicago or other teams are developing are elite players.   This is something we've seen for years.    Part of coaching is developing talent, and clearly both Pritchard and Nesmith have NBA talent.


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« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2022, 09:48:12 AM »

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They were depleted, tired, and much deeper on their bigs.  Theis is new and limited in knowledge of his role with coach.  Same with white.  Tatum looked spent.  He stayed out of the paint on defense to save himself as he did a poor job of rebounding.  Detroit also his a very high percentage of their 3's.  partly to do with smart missing....maybe, but it wasn't the G's (other than cade) that were hitting them, but the forwards.  Detroit has some talent.  Young talent, but talent.  They will be a force in a few years given good health.

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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2022, 09:52:53 AM »

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It's either win or play these guys, he choose to win.

I don't think this is true.  At all.  Good teams can win, even while incorporating lesser players into their rotation.   It's not like the guys Miami or Chicago or other teams are developing are elite players.   This is something we've seen for years.    Part of coaching is developing talent, and clearly both Pritchard and Nesmith have NBA talent.

Austin Reaves hit the game-winner for The Lakers last night. I don't think he's more talented than anyone we have on our roster.


Re: This is what happens
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2022, 10:38:54 AM »

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We still should have won easily. The team just came in with the wrong attitude after a blowout win against a very good Sixers team. They overlooked the Pistons and just never bought the defensive effort and focus needed tonight.
Yes.  In the sixers game, they were missing Rob Williams the whole game and Smart for the entire 2nd half. It was essentially the same personnel. No roster excuses. Bad loss.