I Do Not like Philly's Roster

[ozgod]

We'll know after the first few games they play what the chemistry is going to be like. But end of day I think this is Embiid's team and Harden will have to try and fit in. To his credit he tried doing that in Brooklyn, being the 3rd wheel and sacrificing parts of his game. The issue to me is that they are top heavy, they better hope neither Joel or James get injured.

[Kiorrik]

Well Harden is no spring chicken , and already to the age where the energy starts evaporating for defense intensity,  see Lebron , who barely reacts to defense except the last 5-10 minutes of a game if the game is close and he thinks they can win , otherwise he stands and watch’s . 

Maybe he can shoot, but his body type is not the Ray Allen or Reggie Miller , it will be a struggle if he continues to pork out at his age.  He s a fat boy waiting to happen .

So…yeah it’s about a win now situation for a few years while Embiid still has a working back and knees to support that monster frame.

Can't find it right now but saw a graphic the other day about how much James has slowed down.

As in, literal MPH.

And he's bottom 3 in the league right now (along with LeBron lol)

[tonydelk]

Well Harden is no spring chicken , and already to the age where the energy starts evaporating for defense intensity,  see Lebron , who barely reacts to defense except the last 5-10 minutes of a game if the game is close and he thinks they can win , otherwise he stands and watch’s . 

Maybe he can shoot, but his body type is not the Ray Allen or Reggie Miller , it will be a struggle if he continues to pork out at his age.  He s a fat boy waiting to happen .

So…yeah it’s about a win now situation for a few years while Embiid still has a working back and knees to support that monster frame.

Can't find it right now but saw a graphic the other day about how much James has slowed down.

As in, literal MPH.

And he's bottom 3 in the league right now (along with LeBron lol)

Harden looks right now like Perk did a year after he retired........He's one Philly cheesesteak away from Perk on TV today.

Not good.

[Redz]

Was Harris even on the court last night?

I think they'll miss Curry a lot.  He was playing great for them.

[seancally]

Was Harris even on the court last night?

I think they'll miss Curry a lot.  He was playing great for them.

Harris was silent. He was supposed to be their third leg originally.

[Roy H.]

Well Harden is no spring chicken , and already to the age where the energy starts evaporating for defense intensity,  see Lebron , who barely reacts to defense except the last 5-10 minutes of a game if the game is close and he thinks they can win , otherwise he stands and watch’s . 

Maybe he can shoot, but his body type is not the Ray Allen or Reggie Miller , it will be a struggle if he continues to pork out at his age.  He s a fat boy waiting to happen .

So…yeah it’s about a win now situation for a few years while Embiid still has a working back and knees to support that monster frame.

Can't find it right now but saw a graphic the other day about how much James has slowed down.

As in, literal MPH.

And he's bottom 3 in the league right now (along with LeBron lol)

Harden looks right now like Perk did a year after he retired........He's one Philly cheesesteak away from Perk on TV today.

Not good.

Ha.  That cheeze wiz will really pack on the pounds. 

[Goldstar88]

Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid is a pretty solid starting lineup, at least on paper. Will be interesting to see how they gel. Bench isn’t bad either with Green, Milton, Niang.

I expect them to be dangerous in the playoffs.

[action781]

Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid is a pretty solid starting lineup, at least on paper. Will be interesting to see how they gel. Bench isn’t bad either with Green, Milton, Niang.

I expect them to be dangerous in the playoffs.

Talentwise, solid lineup on paper.  But do they fit?  I don't love the fit of those 5 guys together.

[liam]

Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid is a pretty solid starting lineup, at least on paper. Will be interesting to see how they gel. Bench isn’t bad either with Green, Milton, Niang.

I expect them to be dangerous in the playoffs.

Talentwise, solid lineup on paper.  But do they fit?  I don't love the fit of those 5 guys together.

Confidence may be an issue with that roster as everyone on that team always comes up short in the playoffs. Losing is just as much a habit as winning.

[Moranis]

Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid is a pretty solid starting lineup, at least on paper. Will be interesting to see how they gel. Bench isn’t bad either with Green, Milton, Niang.

I expect them to be dangerous in the playoffs.

Talentwise, solid lineup on paper.  But do they fit?  I don't love the fit of those 5 guys together.

I think they fit just fine.  Harden is exactly the type of player they hoped Simmons would be (offensively) i.e. a guy that can create shots for himself and others (and isn't afraid to shoot).  The PnR with Harden and Embiid is going to be impossible to stop.  Offensively they are going to score a ton of points with Maxey being the only starter with a potential fit issue, but even if it doesn't work, him not fitting doesn't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.  Defensively is where they will struggle a lot more with the current roster, though Embiid can make up a lot of that. 

[tonydelk]

Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris, Embiid is a pretty solid starting lineup, at least on paper. Will be interesting to see how they gel. Bench isn’t bad either with Green, Milton, Niang.

I expect them to be dangerous in the playoffs.

Talentwise, solid lineup on paper.  But do they fit?  I don't love the fit of those 5 guys together.

I think they fit just fine.  Harden is exactly the type of player they hoped Simmons would be (offensively) i.e. a guy that can create shots for himself and others (and isn't afraid to shoot).  The PnR with Harden and Embiid is going to be impossible to stop.  Offensively they are going to score a ton of points with Maxey being the only starter with a potential fit issue, but even if it doesn't work, him not fitting doesn't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of things.  Defensively is where they will struggle a lot more with the current roster, though Embiid can make up a lot of that.

Don't get me wrong.  Any team with the best player in basketball is going to be good.  Add in Harden and you are a contender.  I think Philly should have done everything they could to keep Curry.  He's one of the best shooters in the league.  Thybulle is a master defender but at times his outside shot is as bad as Simmons.  Danny Green is not what he used to be.  Maxey is key.  He needs to take on the role Curry played.  If Philly had one more legit shooter and an actual good backup big they'd be as good as any team in the league.  If Milsap can soak up 15 minutes and play good basketball it will be a big win for Philly.  I'm just glad they traded Curry but unfortunately he goes to another team the C's have to play a lot.  I think that Brooklyn team got much better then the Philly team did.

[smokeablount]

They traded 2 people in their rotation, including a starter, and because Harden hasn't played they didn't replace them.  Take a starter and a rotation player off of any team and don't replace them and it will affect you.  When Harden plays, he will make a lot of this better.  He just changes the whole dynamic of the team because of his not just his scoring, but with his play making as well.  They are far more likely to win the championship this year than Boston is given the talent they have at the top of the roster.

Two starters were taken off our team last night and we beat them by 48. Or would you prefer to ignore that?

[keevsnick]

I don't know, I kind of like thier roster. The starting five of Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, Harris and Embiid is good and balanced. 4 good shooters, a linchpin defensive anchor with a good wing stopper, a variety of skills.

Its not by any means unstoppable. I'm glad Harden got traded, I think Embiid/Harden is more beatable than Irving/Harden/Durant (when it's healthy), but Phili will be good. Can't judge it based off one game, we should all know that from watching an incomplete c's team.

[Celtics2021]

They traded 2 people in their rotation, including a starter, and because Harden hasn't played they didn't replace them.  Take a starter and a rotation player off of any team and don't replace them and it will affect you.  When Harden plays, he will make a lot of this better.  He just changes the whole dynamic of the team because of his not just his scoring, but with his play making as well.  They are far more likely to win the championship this year than Boston is given the talent they have at the top of the roster.

Two starters were taken off our team last night and we beat them by 48. Or would you prefer to ignore that?

Do you really need to ask a question we all know the answer to?

[Roy H.]

Looking at Harden's stats, he wasn't that great this year.  He's having an inefficient season, with his eFG% the lowest since his rookie season.  His 3PT% is a career low.

Is that because he's declining, or because he's uncommitted and out of shape?  He's still providing a lot of assists -- 10.2 -- so he brings value.  But, does that value exceed what Philly could have gotten in a different trade?

Curry himself was averaging 15 points and 4 assists on excellent efficiency.  So, they're getting an extra 7.5 points and 6.2 assists, at the cost of Simmons, Drummond and two #1s.

I think that slam and I have both asked this question, but why were they hyperfocused on Harden?  Haliburton + Barnes for Simmons + two #1s.  Who says no?

Embiid
Harris
Barnes / Thybulle
Curry
Haliburton / Maxey

Organize the lineup however you want; that's a monster team.