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Brad Stevens era coming into focus - and I like it a lot.
« on: February 11, 2022, 12:49:44 PM »

Offline ScoobyDoo

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Rome wasn't built in a day, but Stevens has had a good start and his game plan is certainly becoming clear. Like his Butler teams Stevens likes tough defensive minded teams who can score enough. He stated early on that every move he would make would be made to specifically build around Tatum and Brown and he has stayed true to his word. Here is how I perceive, from 10,000 feet, his game plan to date:

1. Immediately make the team bigger, stronger, tougher across the board at every position. He believes in length, size and toughness.

He moves out Kemba and brings back Horford, projects Smart at the point. He also brings back Kanter and now has brought back Theis. So, instead of Tristan Thompson and Grant Williams at center and the very small Kemba at the point, who got constantly head hunted during the playoffs, and Tatum at the four who should really be playing the three spot, we are now rolling out Time Lord, Horford, Theis and Grant Williams up front with one of the the single most physically point guard defenders in the league at point in Marcus Smart. Tatuma nd brown are appropriately playing the 2 and 3 spots, where they are at a minimum league average height for those spots and probably are above average in size, length and strength.

2. He likes two players with the following traits: Very gritty and tough both mentally and physically and with generally high basketball IQ's.

* Time Lord, Horford, Theis, Grant Williams
* Tatum, Brown, White and Smart
* Nesmith and Pritchard (These guys have limitations so far and hopefully they develop well from here. But both play very hard, tough and gritty on both ends)

Now, he cannot fix all team's problems in less than 10 months. The glaring team weaknesses before the trade line were as follows:

Big man depth:

Kanter was only good on the offensive end and did not fit into the two way player type Stevens likes or the defensive minded DNA Stevens and Udoka are clearly building as a calling card.

Kanter out and Theis in - this is a homerun. Theis plays very similar to Horford so we can get Horford more rest before the playoffs. I would like to still see us bring in one more vet big off the buyout market just to have another body.

Playmaking ability: This has been a huge problem all year. We really have no high level playmakers on the team. Smart is OK, Schroder was more of a scoring guard and Pritchard is till developing.

We trade for Derrick White: Homerun trade. He is 6'4' and a tenacious defender which fits right in with what we're building on that end. Like Smart he's not going to get abused on defensive switches. He's a solid shooter, better than Smart. He's a very good playmaker and creation guy. He's going to get Tatum and brown a lot of good looks. He will fit in very, very well. He will help our offense a ton, especially when we need to create a good look down the stretch.

We still could use one more good veteran wing for the playoff run - just a solid defender and shooter. Hopefully we can get one through the buyout market, along with that one more big body in the front court.

So that's for this year - tremendous job by Stevens. We're under the luxury tax and better positioned for the playoffs after the trade deadline than we were before it, which is far more than I can say for Ainge's typical trade deadline inaction every year...

What about moving forward? Well, the team still needs that one additional piece next to Tatum and Brown on the offensive end. What assets dow e have to get that one piece now?

Answer: Some combination of Horford's contract, White, Smart, Nesmith, Grant Williams, Pritchard and draft picks.

For example, could Horford with White, bring back Harrison Barnes?  (Time Lord, Barnes, Tatum, Brown and Smart)

Could Horford, Smart, Nesmith and a draft pick bring back John Collins? (Time Lord, Collins, Tatum, Brown, White)

I'm not saying these are the guys I want necessarily, they are just examples of our flexibility this off season to make the "next move" to take the team to the next level.

We also have our mid level to add another shooter this off season and we still have the Tristan Thompon and Kemba Trade exceptions. I'm not sure if we used the Fournier trade exception in the Derrick White trade or not.

What about Stevens use of our draft picks? Tatum and brown are ready to compete for championships today. We need to surround them with guys who are ready to play "now". We don't need the picks. We don't have the time to wait for a Grant Williams 22nd pick to develop for three years to where he is now so he can seriously contribute. It took Time Lord four years. Pritchard and Nesmith might be ready next year in their 3rd seasons...

I'm not saying we give all our picks away - but the surest way to lose Tatum, and or Brown, is by not building a team that gives them a clear cut shot at a title.

Stevens isn't done but he has moved this team way closer to being there than it was 10 months ago - it is night and day.  This is borne out in our defensive DNA that is currently mauling teams.

We need more scoring from the third piece and a young replacement for Al Horford and that's about it. And when I say third piece I'm not saying we need another top ten player, though that would be nice. At a minimum, another Fournier, Collins, Barnes level third option running with/behind Tatum and Brown would probably be enough.

Patience - we probably don't get out of the east this year - but we're well positioned for the off season moves we need to make and should be load coming into next season.

On Udoka: I like the grit and tenacity of the defense we're playing under him, Theis and White will fit right in with that. Stevens job is to now get us one more solid piece with Tatum and Brown (doesn't have to be an all star, even someone like Harrison Barnes would probably do...) and probably one more solid shooter on the wing. I'd love to think that would be Nesmith - I like him and hop he straightens things out with his shot and settles down a little out there.


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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2022, 02:05:38 PM »

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I don't know if anyone else sees this but I see this squad turning into a Pistons-like team. The one that killed that more talented Lakers squad. Just filled up with tough hard playing switchable guys. I really like the reshaped roster. I will miss JRich but Schroder just let go of the string the last 10-20 games. White and Thies both play hard and are tough. The big situation is better still no answer for Embiid but no one else does either. Some end of the bench shooters/high-energy guys would be nice to round out the bench. It does look like Brad has a vision.

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2022, 02:35:55 PM »

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Man.... the green tinted goggles are out in force on this site the last 24 hours.

The team got bigger?

The team got tougher?

Trading for Theis was a homerun?

Really?

This team was pillow soft a month ago. It's turned a good corner lately, but still has meaningful offensive problems that didn't get solved at the deadline. What's Sideshow White all the sudden.... Adrian Dantley or something? Maybe we can see the guy play one game in green before we make Auerbach out of Stevens....

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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2022, 03:03:38 PM »

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.


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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2022, 03:07:53 PM »

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Man.... the green tinted goggles are out in force on this site the last 24 hours.

The team got bigger?

The team got tougher?

Trading for Theis was a homerun?

Really?

This team was pillow soft a month ago. It's turned a good corner lately, but still has meaningful offensive problems that didn't get solved at the deadline. What's Sideshow White all the sudden.... Adrian Dantley or something? Maybe we can see the guy play one game in green before we make Auerbach out of Stevens....
Swapping out Freedom/Kanter for Theis on this squad is a serious upgrade. Freedom was a statue defensively when forced to play and he was out of shape so he couldn't even consistely do what he does best which is rebound and score. 1 through 8 now can all defended mulitple positions which Brad has always liked. This becomes one of, if not the best defensive teams in the league and as Brad says, they'll be hard to play in any seven game series no matter the opponent.

Offense remains a problem but I also think yesterdays deals were made the long term in mind. Their problems were so deep that they could never be fixed in a single season.  They still need 3 point shooting off the bench at the 2 and 3.

But the team at least has an identity now.

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In my mind, the ideal is one more player like Derrick White at the 3-4 position. If Al Horford was three years young, he might be able to do it, but we will see if he can turn it on come playoff time.

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2022, 03:12:02 PM »

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2022, 03:25:37 PM »

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-brad-stevens-different-danny-ainge-celtics-gm-execs-weigh

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-brad-stevens-different-danny-ainge-celtics-gm-execs-weigh

   Ha. Did t like dealing with Ainge ‘cuz they were afraid. Even with Danny’s mistakes. I can’t believe this article was written. So dumb.

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-brad-stevens-different-danny-ainge-celtics-gm-execs-weigh

I wonder if it's a good thing or not.

Like how usually everybody's favorite teacher growing up were the easy teachers who you didn't actually learn anything from.

I'm sure other GMs like doing business with someone they get better deals from.  But how would that work out for the C's?  Will more deals get made and that benefit the C's?  Or will more deals get made, but the C's give too much away? A couple of ways that can go.

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-brad-stevens-different-danny-ainge-celtics-gm-execs-weigh
I guess that's the narrative that wants to be painted here and it's probably true, but Keith Smith quoting anonymous team executives.... I am going to take that with some very large pinches of salt.

Also, as others alluded to, this might not be a good thing. Like, I bet Danny could have closed the White deal without including that swap.

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I'm not feeling the excitement like others are. I haven't seen a lot of White—he seems like a good player, yet I feel like a lot of people on CS and CB are acting like the Cs just acquired Klay Thompson or someone of that caliber. Maybe I'm misreading the excitement level, but the hype train seems to be running full steam right now. White's a Celtic now, so I certainly hope he does well and makes the team better, but I can still easily envision Boston's season ultimately coming to an end because of bad shooting. I just don't trust this bunch to consistently shoot well against good teams when the chips are down. The offense has looked really good the last week or more, but that's been against some mediocre teams and some downright awful teams—the only team they've played recently that is good and had basically a fully healthy roster was the Hawks, and Boston lost that game. I've been looking forward to the Denver/Atlanta/Philly games as being a good barometer of whether the Cs are truly improved, but now that half the roster was overhauled yesterday, I can totally see that turnover messing with team chemistry, at least temporarily (or being a convenient scapegoat for any struggles that are really due to other issues).

But, as always, time will tell.
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Scoobydoo, I agree. This team has an identity now, and Brad is leaning into it with these recent moves.  I like it a lot as well. Let's get another big off the scrap heap and we're ready to make some noise in the playoffs.

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Quick trigger Brad. He got rid of guys super fast. Most gms wait to move on. BS gives you till one deadline to fit or bye lol

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Great topic! I’ve praised Brad for his vision since the preseason.

He’s building his ideal roster within the constraints he inherited; constructing the roster with players that are already high caliber, multi-position defenders instead of compromising with subpar defenders for the sake of offense like the New York Knicks.

He’s built a top 5 defense and is leaning into it with White and Theis, no fence straddling. If Smart or Horford miss time, White and Theis will fulfill their roles.

The best 3-player lineup in the NBA with Brown-Tatum-Williams III. The best 5-player lineup in the NBA with the Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Williams III. Two top 15 scorers that are also multi-position defenders, TL has turned into a defensive juggernaut that can play regular minutes, and not one of the three have even reached their peaks. I see it for what it is, a potential Championship team.