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Re: Brad Stevens era coming into focus - and I like it a lot.
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2022, 04:35:56 PM »

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Swapping out Freedom/Kanter for Theis on this squad is a serious upgrade.

I don't understand this POV.

1) Theis is a "serious upgrade" over no one.

2) Freedom didn't play -- so why did he need to be upgraded?. Why do we need to pay a 3rd-4th string center who plays <10MPG $8-9MM per for the next 2+ years?

Would I rather have Theis over Freedom if Timelord and / or Horford are injured? Sure, but that's not saying much. And for a team that's not a serious threat to win a title, I think adding and paying Theis is nonsense, frankly.


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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2022, 04:40:50 PM »

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Swapping out Freedom/Kanter for Theis on this squad is a serious upgrade.

I don't understand this.

1) Theis is a "serious upgrade" over no one.

2) Freedom didn't play. Why do we need to pay a 3rd strong center who plays <10MPG $8-9MM per for the next 2+ years?

Would I rather have Theis over Freedom if Timelord and / or Horford are injured? Sure, but that's not saying much. And for a team that's not a serious threat to win a title, I think adding and paying Theis is nonsense, frankly.

Reasons to acquire Theis:

1. Injury protection in case something happens to Horford or Williams
2. Good defensively and can therefore reduce Williams and Horford's minutes if needed
3 If/when Celtics trade Horford (or move on from him) they have a backup center already on the roster for multiple years
4. Proven to play well with our two best players

I don't think it's some homerun trade, but I think it makes sense.

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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2022, 04:56:15 PM »

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
equivalent of experienced poker players welcoming a newbie to the table in place of a shark.  of course they like him better.

in very short order Brad's shown he doesn't value draft picks and has no qualms about overpaying.  did it clearing the roster last year and just showed it again.  need to see better deal making this offseason that clearly improves this team.  for what Brad gave up to get White, he'd better be able to walk on water.

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2022, 05:13:21 PM »

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Man.... the green tinted goggles are out in force on this site the last 24 hours.

The team got bigger?

The team got tougher?

Trading for Theis was a homerun?

Really?

This team was pillow soft a month ago. It's turned a good corner lately, but still has meaningful offensive problems that didn't get solved at the deadline. What's Sideshow White all the sudden.... Adrian Dantley or something? Maybe we can see the guy play one game in green before we make Auerbach out of Stevens....

What color glasses have you been wearing over the last 24 hours?  The tint that shows reality is probably somewhere in between.  But I totally agree that we need to see White in Green before jumping to any conclusions.

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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2022, 05:37:54 PM »

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Love Brads decisiveness and him locking in on players that create a system around Tatum/Brown and who we can build with for 3+ years.

I also like that we have multiple weapons in an arsenal to be able to consolidate and shorten the roster with the often talked about 3rd leg.

A package built with Smart, Williams III, White, Horford (for salary matching purposes) can return us a big name free agent combined with picks.

But this team is super likeable, defensively gritty and we may just buck the trend of 3 headed monsters with depth like we have now.

Are we missing a shooter? Yes.

Are we missing a reliable pass first point guard? Yes although Smart and White combined can be above average ball handlers and distribute effectively.

It could be argued that RWIII is still unreliable health wise and Horford is aging so maybe young big is another need.

So those are our roster deficiencies going forward. The roster is better today than yesterday…

I actually want to say thank you to front office and management for being decisive and taking action. As much as we rip Wyc and Stevens, we ought to heap them with praise for what I think is progress.


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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2022, 06:34:24 PM »

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On a couple of deals Stevens overpaid a bit. But rather pay a lot for a good player than little for a bad player.
And he has given the Celtics an identity. Really like what he has done in such a short time.
What a pleasant surprise!  :)

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2022, 06:44:32 PM »

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I don't think of White or Theis as saviors for the team, at all. I do, however, see them as perfect fits for this team. They are very good complimentary players to Tatum and brown.

Theis plays hard on D, sets very good screens and is completely unselfish. Tatum was interviewed recently and he just smiled when he was talking about Theis being back on the team.   

Derrick White will be very good next to Tatum and Brown - he is also unselfish and will look to make the right pass, a lot.

Tougher, meaner, stronger, grittier? Absolutely. Ainge loved centers under 6' 9" and guards under six foot and we constantly got mauled by other teams because of it. Kemba versus Smart and White at the point? Yeah, I'd say we got massively tougher at the position this year. Udoka has also gotten into the heads of GWilliams, RWillimas and Tatum and Brown about being tougher this year and they have all made strides in that area - which is why we've been so tough defensively the last month+, it's called progress. It's called changing mindset and changing the mental DNA of the team. Look at the roster - nearly every guy on it is similar is in level of effort and grittiness.

As far as Ainge being a Shark versus Stevens. I think anyone who's ever done business at even half of a high level, hates dealing with a guy on the other side of the table you think it's constantly trying to screw you/out do you/win every single deal. It sucks - a lot, and you'd much rather find companies that are reasonable to deal with. I think Stevens has a very, very clear vision of what he wants to do and is willing to give some things up to get it. That's good business.

Seriously, how is a pick in the 18-24 range going to help Tatum win a ring in the next three years?

Ainge was very good at the big picture stuff but I thought his drafting left a lot  to be desired and his moves around the fringes to tie out the team were terrible. it was no different with the KG/PP/Ray Allen team. After Rondo and Perk we usually sucked coming off the bench and it probably cost us at least one ring. To me, Stevens is far better at making moves around the edges and he's willing to give up a meaningless second round pick to get a half decent role player.

Further, Ste4vens apparently does not like to watch guys walk in free agency for nothing. We had a literal parade of guys walking every year with zero compensation back, which is how we went from a top three team in the east to a team fighting to make the playoffs:

Horford, Hayward, Irving - zero compensation back. Brutal.   

     

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2022, 06:52:27 PM »

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This is a good article that sheds some light about Stevens' thinking on the Derrick White trade. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/2022-nba-trade-deadline-grades-experts-celtics-derrick-white-addition

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2022, 07:53:52 PM »

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2022, 09:04:16 PM »

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Other GM's have commented how much nicer it is to deal with Stevens then it was to work with Ainge.

Part of me wonders if the 'overpay' for White was a way for Brad to establish himself as fair and workable for other GM's to see. Kind of rebrand the Celtics as a team that will be fair to trade with from here on out.
They did? That's very un-GM-like. Do you have a link to that you could share, please?

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/how-brad-stevens-different-danny-ainge-celtics-gm-execs-weigh
I guess that's the narrative that wants to be painted here and it's probably true, but Keith Smith quoting anonymous team executives.... I am going to take that with some very large pinches of salt.

Also, as others alluded to, this might not be a good thing. Like, I bet Danny could have closed the White deal without including that swap.
Maybe, or maybe the reason that Boston made no deadline deals for multiple seasons in a row was because Danny was too hardlined in his approach and blew them up. 
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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2022, 10:18:32 PM »

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Quick trigger Brad. He got rid of guys super fast. Most gms wait to move on. BS gives you till one deadline to fit or bye lol

Yeah, it is refreshing to see Brad not hesitate to make some moves. Felt like Danny tended to wait for the "grand slam" deal too often.

Still am concerned about the 2028 swap and wish we didn't send that out, too, but yeah I like the moves otherwise.
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« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2022, 10:29:02 PM »

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Swapping out Freedom/Kanter for Theis on this squad is a serious upgrade.

I don't understand this POV.

1) Theis is a "serious upgrade" over no one.

2) Freedom didn't play -- so why did he need to be upgraded?. Why do we need to pay a 3rd-4th string center who plays <10MPG $8-9MM per for the next 2+ years?

Would I rather have Theis over Freedom if Timelord and / or Horford are injured? Sure, but that's not saying much. And for a team that's not a serious threat to win a title, I think adding and paying Theis is nonsense, frankly.
The upgrade is because this team has been screwed all season if Rob or Horford missed time. Freedom was awful defensively and all it takes is one guy for your entire defense to break down - especially if it's your 5. Theis gladly does the dirty work on the back end of their defense and he will get his minutes.

As Keith Smith tweeted tonight from 1-10 on the Celtics now there isn't a bad defender in the bunch and they range from good to elite. I'd rate Theis very good though he does struggle against the elite bigs. But he's not here to start, he's here for rotation depth.

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« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2022, 10:53:34 PM »

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Swapping out Freedom/Kanter for Theis on this squad is a serious upgrade.

I don't understand this POV.

1) Theis is a "serious upgrade" over no one.

2) Freedom didn't play -- so why did he need to be upgraded?. Why do we need to pay a 3rd-4th string center who plays <10MPG $8-9MM per for the next 2+ years?

Would I rather have Theis over Freedom if Timelord and / or Horford are injured? Sure, but that's not saying much. And for a team that's not a serious threat to win a title, I think adding and paying Theis is nonsense, frankly.
The upgrade is because this team has been screwed all season if Rob or Horford missed time. Freedom was awful defensively and all it takes is one guy for your entire defense to break down - especially if it's your 5. Theis gladly does the dirty work on the back end of their defense and he will get his minutes.

As Keith Smith tweeted tonight from 1-10 on the Celtics now there isn't a bad defender in the bunch and they range from good to elite. I'd rate Theis very good though he does struggle against the elite bigs. But he's not here to start, he's here for rotation depth.

All true.

At some point down the road, we will need to add some muscle in the middle to back up Rob Williams.

Plus shooters, but that's for another discussion.
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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2022, 11:06:06 PM »

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" Stevens likes players with the following traits: gritty and tough, mentally and physically and with high basketball IQ's."

Stevens may, in fact, like these traits, but they do not describe Tatum and Brown. Tatum is hardly gritty and Brown has possibly the lowest basketball IQ on the team, along with Marcus Smart. They both have made the same mistakes over and over for a few years now.

I would call a guy like Jimmy Butler a gritty, tough competitor, not Jason Tatum.
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2022, 11:19:03 PM »

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