Celtics trade grades?

[Roy H.]

Anybody have access to the Globe's ridiculous pay wall?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/11/sports/celtics-trade-exceptions/

I'm curious what the TPEs look like.  Apparently we held on to the full Fournier exception.

[Celtics2021]

Anybody have access to the Globe's ridiculous pay wall?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/11/sports/celtics-trade-exceptions/

I'm curious what the TPEs look like.  Apparently we held on to the full Fournier exception.

Was about to start a thread on this.

The Celtics kept the Fournier exception, used the Thompson one to acquire Theis, and thus created exceptions for Schroder ($6 million), Fernando, and Freedom ($1.8 and $1.7 million.  They also got them for Dozier and Bol.

However, I also think they should have received one for Langford, because Richardson's cap hit was within $5 million of White's, and after that trade they were below the tax (meaning they could use Richardson to take back his salary plus $5 million rather than 125%).  Maybe there's a minutia of the cap rules I'm unaware of, or maybe Himmelsbach got that part wrong.

[Ilikesports17]

Anybody have access to the Globe's ridiculous pay wall?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/02/11/sports/celtics-trade-exceptions/

I'm curious what the TPEs look like.  Apparently we held on to the full Fournier exception.

At the risk of breaking site rules:
“The Celtics created five new trade exceptions after sending out Dennis Schroder, Enes Freedom, Bruno Fernando, P.J. Dozier and Bol Bol in deals on Thursday, according to a league source.

Trade exceptions are valid for one year and they allow teams to acquire players without sending out matching salary in return.

The Celtics used the $9.7 million exception that they created by trading Tristan Thompson to the Kings last summer in order to acquire Daniel Theis from the Rockets, the source said. That exception was set to expire this summer.

By taking this approach, new exceptions were created by sending Schroder, Freedom and Fernando to Houston. Also, Boston created exceptions when it sent Bol Bol and P.J. Dozier to the Magic.

Schroder’s contract created a $6 million trade exception, and the other four are each worth less than $2.5 million.

These exceptions will all be valid through next season’s trade deadline, giving Boston some extra time and material to work with.

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The Celtics could have done the same when they traded Josh Richardson to the Spurs in exchange for Derrick White on Thursday. They had an option of using their $17.1 million exception — created when they traded Evan Fournier to the Knicks last year — to acquire White, thus creating a new $12.3 million Richardson exception that could be used through next season’s trade deadline.

But the source said the team decided to hang onto the larger $17.1 million exception that is set to expire in August rather than adding a smaller exception that will last longer.”

[Vermont Green]

I did the math on the current poll, the aggregate gpa is 2.4, about a C+.  I personally would go a little higher, maybe a B-.

White wasn't cheap, we gave up a lot.  I think he is a nice add though.  I think Theis will fortify and improve our big rotation.  I am not that worried about the picks but they are assets.  There is an opportunity cost.

I feel our guard rotation (Smart, White, Pritchard, probably a bench add) is solid.  No concern.  Light on depth right now but that can be fixed easily enough.

Our top wings (Brown, Tatum) are elite.  Our depth right now after the trade is depleted but we can fill that back in.  I have not given up on Nesmith but we likely do need to add a decent reliable vet wing for next season.

Our bigs are still the weakness.  I like RWill as a starting big but he is limited in terms of scoring,  ball handling, general skill.  He is a good passer but because of his other offensive limitations, he doesn't get that much opportunity to pass.  If he can keep dunking, playing D, rebounding, I am fine with him.  We just need to pair him with something better than Theis and GWill (assuming Horford is not in the future plans).

[footey]

I did the math on the current poll, the aggregate gpa is 2.4, about a C+.  I personally would go a little higher, maybe a B-.

White wasn't cheap, we gave up a lot.  I think he is a nice add though.  I think Theis will fortify and improve our big rotation.  I am not that worried about the picks but they are assets.  There is an opportunity cost.

I feel our guard rotation (Smart, White, Pritchard, probably a bench add) is solid.  No concern.  Light on depth right now but that can be fixed easily enough.

Our top wings (Brown, Tatum) are elite.  Our depth right now after the trade is depleted but we can fill that back in.  I have not given up on Nesmith but we likely do need to add a decent reliable vet wing for next season.

Our bigs are still the weakness.  I like RWill as a starting big but he is limited in terms of scoring,  ball handling, general skill.  He is a good passer but because of his other offensive limitations, he doesn't get that much opportunity to pass.  If he can keep dunking, playing D, rebounding, I am fine with him.  We just need to pair him with something better than Theis and GWill (assuming Horford is not in the future plans).

I impulsively graded the trades a "D" initially because I was peeved that we gave up Romeo, whom I really did not want to give up on.

But after looking more into White, I feel he is a great fit and strong upgrade for our team.  I'd change my grade to a B.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I did the math on the current poll, the aggregate gpa is 2.4, about a C+.  I personally would go a little higher, maybe a B-.

White wasn't cheap, we gave up a lot.  I think he is a nice add though.  I think Theis will fortify and improve our big rotation.  I am not that worried about the picks but they are assets.  There is an opportunity cost.

I feel our guard rotation (Smart, White, Pritchard, probably a bench add) is solid.  No concern.  Light on depth right now but that can be fixed easily enough.

Our top wings (Brown, Tatum) are elite.  Our depth right now after the trade is depleted but we can fill that back in.  I have not given up on Nesmith but we likely do need to add a decent reliable vet wing for next season.

Our bigs are still the weakness.  I like RWill as a starting big but he is limited in terms of scoring,  ball handling, general skill.  He is a good passer but because of his other offensive limitations, he doesn't get that much opportunity to pass.  If he can keep dunking, playing D, rebounding, I am fine with him.  We just need to pair him with something better than Theis and GWill (assuming Horford is not in the future plans).

I impulsively graded the trades a "D" initially because I was peeved that we gave up Romeo, whom I really did not want to give up on.

But after looking more into White, I feel he is a great fit and strong upgrade for our team.  I'd change my grade to a B.

I feel like Derrick White is the ideal version of what Romeo Langford could be, but that ideal outcome felt less and less likely over the last two years.

[Roy H.]

I did the math on the current poll, the aggregate gpa is 2.4, about a C+.  I personally would go a little higher, maybe a B-.

White wasn't cheap, we gave up a lot.  I think he is a nice add though.  I think Theis will fortify and improve our big rotation.  I am not that worried about the picks but they are assets.  There is an opportunity cost.

I feel our guard rotation (Smart, White, Pritchard, probably a bench add) is solid.  No concern.  Light on depth right now but that can be fixed easily enough.

Our top wings (Brown, Tatum) are elite.  Our depth right now after the trade is depleted but we can fill that back in.  I have not given up on Nesmith but we likely do need to add a decent reliable vet wing for next season.

Our bigs are still the weakness.  I like RWill as a starting big but he is limited in terms of scoring,  ball handling, general skill.  He is a good passer but because of his other offensive limitations, he doesn't get that much opportunity to pass.  If he can keep dunking, playing D, rebounding, I am fine with him.  We just need to pair him with something better than Theis and GWill (assuming Horford is not in the future plans).

I'm at a B/B-.  If not for the pick swap, I could potentially go up to a B+, but there's a reason teams don't give up top-1 protected picks six years into the future.

[todd_days_41]

Our bigs are still the weakness.  I like RWill as a starting big but he is limited in terms of scoring,  ball handling, general skill.  He is a good passer but because of his other offensive limitations, he doesn't get that much opportunity to pass.  If he can keep dunking, playing D, rebounding, I am fine with him.  We just need to pair him with something better than Theis and GWill (assuming Horford is not in the future plans).

A defensive wrecking back shooting 74% from the field at the C position? Of all the weaknesses the Cs have, Robert Williams ain't high on the list. And Grant and Horford are also excellent defenders, and fine in their roles

As for weaknesses....

I'd start with: We now have exactly one rotational guard and / or wing who is shooting over 32.8% from three, and that gentlemen is shooting less than 35%.

Oh and: The team has zero point guards on the roster.

Also: The team had very little depth before the deadline, and now has none.

[todd_days_41]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

[Celtics2021]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

As an alternative, follow this link, click on full strength rating to sort by that category.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

[Roy H.]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

By his own admission, it's a biased hit piece.  Don't get too bummed.

[Roy H.]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

As an alternative, follow this link, click on full strength rating to sort by that category.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

That's as silly as the CB article, lol.

I think our current odds are around 500:1, so I hope the staff of 538 is laying some serious money down if they think our odds are really around 6:1.

[Atzar]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

I... don't think that article supports your argument the way you think it does. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

By his own admission, it's a biased hit piece.  Don't get too bummed.

It's stupid. The guy cherry-picked stats all over the place.

What about the fact that Derrick White is at 14 ppg to Richardson's 9? What about White's 5 assists to Richardson's 1.5?

What about the fact that before this year, Derrick White had a career 35.7% to Josh Richardson's 35.8% three point percentage.

What about the fact that Richardson has been steadily declining (other than three point percentage this year) in every category for 4 seasons in a row? What about the fact that Romeo could not earn minutes on a team that desperately needed him to contribute and under two coaches that invested a lot of playing time in the guy?

What about the fact that a late first round pick in the 20s is just not that valuable or likely to ever be a playoff rotation player? What about the fact that a pick swap in 2028 likely won't even convey because they'll likely have a better pick in that year anyway?

This is just Boston fans being some of the most negative fans in the NBA. Most media talking heads and most general NBA forums have the Celtics winning this trade. Our chances went up to make the NBA finals by many statistical models.

We got the best player in the trade, which is generally agreed on to be the most important part of any trade.

The Celtics are better situated to contend this year and in the future because of their deadline.

[footey]

Just read this, it adds to my argument above:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2022/2/11/22929311/sorry-folks-derrick-white-trade-disaster-josh-richardson-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-romeo-langford

As an alternative, follow this link, click on full strength rating to sort by that category.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-nba-predictions/

That's as silly as the CB article, lol.

I think our current odds are around 500:1, so I hope the staff of 538 is laying some serious money down if they think our odds are really around 6:1.

If Vegas odds are 500:1, I'd be willing to bet a couple of bucks on that!