Celtics trade grades?

[jbpats]

D - don't mind the Schroeder trade but the Derrick White trade was a drastic overpay.

That 2028 swap could destroy our future. If (when) Tatum leaves we are a potential lottery team

I don't get this.  Why is everyone assuming SA will be good in 2028? Pop will be gone and they have only 1 top 25 player on their roster now. The Cs will at least will have a good chance of have 2 all star wings in their mid to late primes.

To me, it just seems like a completely unnecessary add. What if San Antonio is good in 2028? They draft well and they develop from within. It could very well be irrelevant but it's gambling on the future when we have no clue how either team might be by then.
I think the trade would have still gotten done without it. In my mind it would have still been an overpay without it.

The pick swap probably less valuable than a 2nd round pick because of the lack of certainty associated with the swap.  Would you have the same issues if it was 2nd round pick instead of a swap.

White is a better player than JRich and Romeo was needed for salary match.  Stevens, when asked in interviews, been consistently higher on Nesmith than Romeo, and the Cs have 1 more year of cost control with Nesmith.  A late first is the cost of upgrading JRich to White.

To answer your question, no I could care less if it was a second rounder.
To rebuttal your statement the pick swap is far more valuable then a second rounder. I strongly disagree with your assumption, but hopefully I am wrong.

[jbpats]

So I'm confused - I just heard on the radio that adding Theiss puts us back in the luxury tax. Does anyone know if we are above or below now? I am seeing conflicting information.

If these moves put us above the tax then my grade goes from D to F

[SparzWizard]

Care about 6 years from now when it's the 6th year. Right now is contending and winning chips.

[Roy H.]

I like the players we got.  I dislike adding both a pick swap and a #1.

[Sophomore]

I like the players we got.  I dislike adding both a pick swap and a #1.

Same. But I don’t know enough about D White. If he’s good enough I will probably forget them.

[Neurotic Guy]

Not saying I disagree that the pick swap might have been unnecessary, but there is a ton of value being placed on something that has at least a decent chance of being completely meaningless.  If the C's suck and SAS is good in 2028 it will be a bad thing but there's a good chance that won't happen.  And really not a reason to get stuck on the idea that Brad blew it.   And... let's see DW play before drawing big conclusions about the quality of the trade.

And I like some Theis and am not big on Schroder.

Grade:  INC

[bdm860]

I like the players we got.  I dislike adding both a pick swap and a #1.

Since Stevens started running things, I've really want to see how he is at drafting.  Like could his success at a mid-major translate to finding solid players in the mid to late first round?  Does he have a skill at finding undervalued, overlooked players in the draft?

Maybe someday we'll get to see.

[Kiorrik]

Not saying I disagree that the pick swap might have been unnecessary, but there is a ton of value being placed on something that has at least a decent chance of being completely meaningless.  If the C's suck and SAS is good in 2028 it will be a bad thing but there's a good chance that won't happen.  And really not a reason to get stuck on the idea that Brad blew it.   And... let's see DW play before drawing big conclusions about the quality of the trade.

And I like some Theis and am not big on Schroder.

Grade:  INC

Yeah, lotta "what if's" involved to just mark the whole trade up as an F.

But I suppose that's par for the course for us here. Whole lotta overreacting.

[tonydelk]

Not saying I disagree that the pick swap might have been unnecessary, but there is a ton of value being placed on something that has at least a decent chance of being completely meaningless.  If the C's suck and SAS is good in 2028 it will be a bad thing but there's a good chance that won't happen.  And really not a reason to get stuck on the idea that Brad blew it.   And... let's see DW play before drawing big conclusions about the quality of the trade.

And I like some Theis and am not big on Schroder.

Grade:  INC

Yeah, lotta "what if's" involved to just mark the whole trade up as an F.

But I suppose that's par for the course for us here. Whole lotta overreacting.

Short term today is an A+.  I still think Romeo will be in a rotation.  Richardson is a decent player and less then a year ago he was considered a below average player.  Theis is a good 3rd big which we didn't have and a capable starter if either of our big's go down.  Derrick White is the guy for me.  I wanted the C's to get him so bad.  For me he's what I wish Smart would turn into.  He's a great 3rd piece.  I'm extremely shocked and excited we got him.  If the C's continue to win and the pick is in the 20's this year who cares.  From what I've read this is not a strong draft at the bottom and if this pick is there and the Spurs hit on it then that's just kudos for them.  The wildcard is the pick swap that may or may not be of any consequence.  The only way this trade is a loss is if the swap nets the Spurs a top 10 player. 

[nyceltsfan]

I give Stevens an F for this one.  I hope I'm wrong, but I dislike the following:

J Rich, Langford, 1st rounder (top 4 protected) and right to swap in 2028 for White - J Rich was key to our current run and was the glue on our bench.  We traded that away for someone of equal talent and we threw in a young player with potential, as well as a 1st rounder that will absolutely convey and the right to swap?  This likely makes the team worse now and in the future.  For everyone saying the swap is not a big deal, please look back to 2017, when we swapped picks with the Nets and took Jaylen Brown.  How did the Nets do on that deal?

Schroeder, Freedom and Fernando for Theis - Theis is a small upgrade over Freedom, and will be the 3rd or 4th big off the bench.  The Celtics lose a ball handler and potential spark plug off the bench in this deal.  Huge overpay.

If there is any upside to these moves, it would be sometime between 2023 and 2025.  The Celtics were rolling and gaining ground in the East and looked like they could compete.  This was waving the white flag, IMO, and we as fans should not take it lightly.  (I hope I am completely wrong about all of this!)

[Celtics4ever]

I like the players we got.  I dislike adding both a pick swap and a #1.

Not like we draft well, or develop players that well.   The pick swap stinks.

[nebist]

I give it a B. I think White can be a top 5-6 players on a championship team, and I think he is signed to a very fair 4-year deal through his prime. Theis can be an 8th-man / 3rd big type that we know can play in the playoffs as well signed to a fair deal for two more years after this one.

Agreed that the 2028 pick swap is mildly concerning (and would have liked it not to be there), but the goal should obviously be to stay good through the rest of the Jays primes (includes re-signing them again into their early 30s). So, hopefully the pick swap never conveys.

But, in general, trading Schroder (strained fit), Richardson (good fit), Langford (bust), and one first for White (starter, good fit, signed long-term) and Theis (solid rotation big) makes us better right now.

I also still think we have major flexibility to still jump in on 3rd star markets. White/Smart/Timelord are all signed to what I think will be value-positive deals. Horford and Theis present salary-matching opportunities as well. After this draft, we could still build a massive package around 2023, 25, and 27 first and 2 of those 5 guys to potentially bring back a major star if we feel like the current roster isn't enough.

[colincb]

John Karalis @ BSJ

OVERALL GRADE: I’ll give this an A- for Stevens. He turned Schröder into a useful player in Theis. He took in Richardson for nothing, and flipped him and his increased value, plus Langford and future pick into Derrick White, who is a pretty good player. They also created a Richardson-sized $11.6 million TPE so I’m sure you’re excited about that.

Am I psyched about giving up the pick? Not really, but this team clearly doesn’t care about adding another mid-first round guy to the mix. Am I psyched about the lack of depth, not really, but this also could free up some time for Nesmith.

What about the 2028 swap John? Spurs post-Pop will be beasts and Cs destined to fail with cheap owners!

[colincb]

CBS gave Cs two A- grades for the White and for the Theis trades.

[BudweiserCeltic]

John Karalis @ BSJ

OVERALL GRADE: I’ll give this an A- for Stevens. He turned Schröder into a useful player in Theis. He took in Richardson for nothing, and flipped him and his increased value, plus Langford and future pick into Derrick White, who is a pretty good player. They also created a Richardson-sized $11.6 million TPE so I’m sure you’re excited about that.

Am I psyched about giving up the pick? Not really, but this team clearly doesn’t care about adding another mid-first round guy to the mix. Am I psyched about the lack of depth, not really, but this also could free up some time for Nesmith.

What about the 2028 swap John? Spurs post-Pop will be beasts and Cs destined to fail with cheap owners!

Those Spurs sure love to pay luxury taxes...