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Re: Celtics now buyers? - Ok so who do we target with the TPE's?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2022, 11:59:51 AM »

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I don't believe this report. 

I don't think we'll be "selling", but I also don't think we'll be "buying", either, at least to the extent that it puts us above the tax.

Same. I don’t think management should be swayed by a hot streak (or a cold streak), especially when you have a longer build horizon because your best players are young and on multi-year contracts.

I am still holding out hope that we can flip Schroder for a non-lottery first.
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Re: Celtics now buyers? - Ok so who do we target with the TPE's?
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2022, 12:01:31 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

Yeah I’d definitely give our first this year, and perhaps another asset that isn’t a main rotation player, for Wood. He’s better than Horford but I wonder who would start at 4 if he was acquired, given the strong performance of our starting unit.
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Re: Celtics now buyers? - Ok so who do we target with the TPE's?
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2022, 12:07:16 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

The word on Wood is that he plays with no concept of team defense.  He’ll chase some blocks, but is very unreliable defensively.  His attitude is also questionable at best — Houston suspended him for a game in January because of his antics.  The Rockets would love a team to give them a first for him.

He might be interesting as an off-season acquisition, but I think he’s got a few too many bad habits that need ironing out for him to be a viable addition in February.
You might be right about adding him midseason, but we have seen enough examples of young guys labeled as problems becoming great additions for teams as they matured to not take a serious look at Wood. Rasheed Wallace, Zack Randolph, Bobby Portis, Ron Arrest, to name a few quickly, come to mind.

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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2022, 12:12:47 PM »

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I'm still hoping for two or three.  PJ Washington and Dante Divincenzo.  Add to the core and they fit the C's style of play.  Good depth and PJ can replace Al next year.

The other person is Harrison Barnes.

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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2022, 12:19:51 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

He supposedly does to play D.   The talent is there.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1626174/defense-dash/

I do find him intriguing as well.


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I'm still hoping for two or three.  PJ Washington and Dante Divincenzo.  Add to the core and they fit the C's style of play.  Good depth and PJ can replace Al next year.

PJ is on my list as well but he can only play PF in my opinion.  Be a good pickup and you could use Al off the Bench as a back up C.

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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2022, 12:28:57 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

If this kind of deal is actually available, it would be irresponsible not to seriously consider it if you hope to keep Tatum and Brown here for their careers. I prefer a better shooting point guard than Marcus, but if one of your bigs is a shooter, you can probably live with that shortcoming. It's also possible, though unlikely, that Marcus has left his shooting struggles behind permanently during this streak. 

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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2022, 12:33:11 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

He supposedly does to play D.   The talent is there.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1626174/defense-dash/

I do find him intriguing as well.


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I'm still hoping for two or three.  PJ Washington and Dante Divincenzo.  Add to the core and they fit the C's style of play.  Good depth and PJ can replace Al next year.

PJ is on my list as well but he can only play PF in my opinion.  Be a good pickup and you could use Al off the Bench as a back up C.

PJ has played small ball center for the Hornets.  He can be the backup big and replace Al as the PF next year.

My pipe dream trade is Derrick White from the Spurs but I haven't seen any rumors of them being in any trade discussions with anyone. 

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2022, 12:41:59 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

He supposedly does to play D.   The talent is there.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1626174/defense-dash/

I do find him intriguing as well.


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I'm still hoping for two or three.  PJ Washington and Dante Divincenzo.  Add to the core and they fit the C's style of play.  Good depth and PJ can replace Al next year.

PJ is on my list as well but he can only play PF in my opinion.  Be a good pickup and you could use Al off the Bench as a back up C.

PJ has played small ball center for the Hornets.  He can be the backup big and replace Al as the PF next year.

My pipe dream trade is Derrick White from the Spurs but I haven't seen any rumors of them being in any trade discussions with anyone.
Having played there and being able to credibly play there are two different things. Grant Williams played the center position a lot last year. He sucked there. Now he plays as a 3-4 hybrid.

The Hornets have played PJ at center a bunch due to a lack of centers besides Plumlee that don't absolutely suck.

I agree with C4E, Washington is a PF and should be used there almost exclusively.

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« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2022, 12:48:55 PM »

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I’m reluctant to trade Al now. I’d wait until off season. His pairing with Rob defensively makes us elite on that end. Ime constantly talks about our size and length being a problem for other teams. Al just needs to fix his shot!!

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2022, 12:49:51 PM »

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I would like to take a crack at Christian Wood. For whatever reason, Houston seems to be moving on from him.

Unless I am missing something, it looks like he could fit in the Fournier TPE. 26 year old 6'10 C/Pf with a 7'3 wingspan. Excels at shooting, and stretching the rim vertically. Can dribble once or twice on closeouts. 17/10/2 on 48/37/61.

He has played the 5 recently, but he has the tools to theoretically play big ball 4 next to Timelord. He could play the 5 when Rob sits.

Depending on his attitude, I might be okay with giving our first for him. He is under contract for 14 million next year.

He supposedly does to play D.   The talent is there.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1626174/defense-dash/

I do find him intriguing as well.


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I'm still hoping for two or three.  PJ Washington and Dante Divincenzo.  Add to the core and they fit the C's style of play.  Good depth and PJ can replace Al next year.

PJ is on my list as well but he can only play PF in my opinion.  Be a good pickup and you could use Al off the Bench as a back up C.

PJ has played small ball center for the Hornets.  He can be the backup big and replace Al as the PF next year.

My pipe dream trade is Derrick White from the Spurs but I haven't seen any rumors of them being in any trade discussions with anyone.
Having played there and being able to credibly play there are two different things. Grant Williams played the center position a lot last year. He sucked there. Now he plays as a 3-4 hybrid.

The Hornets have played PJ at center a bunch due to a lack of centers besides Plumlee that don't absolutely suck.

I agree with C4E, Washington is a PF and should be used there almost exclusively.

I agree he should play mainly at PF.  But with his reach he can definitely give you minutes at the center position against teams that don't have Embiid type size in a pinch.  Grant is strong but does not have great reach.  It's why he wasn't any good as a small ball center.

Grant Williams' 2019 NBA Draft Scouting Report: Analysis of Celtics Pick ; Size: 6'7½" ; Weight: 240.2 pounds ; Wingspan:6'9¾" ; Reach: 8'8½" ;

Measured 6′ 8” in shoes, 223.0 lbs, 7′ 2.5” wingspan, 8′ 11” standing reach.

Al Horford is 6'9 and has a 7'1 inch wing span and he can play C.

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2022, 12:53:46 PM »

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Sacramento is now amenable to trading Harrison Barnes, per reports.

Does a Horford and Freedom and picks for Barnes and Len make sense? Could Brad close that deal?

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« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2022, 12:58:09 PM »

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Sacramento is now amenable to trading Harrison Barnes, per reports.

Does a Horford and Freedom and picks for Barnes and Len make sense? Could Brad close that deal?

I don't want to see us give up picks this trading deadline especially multiple picks, unless it's for a clear 3rd star.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2022, 12:59:54 PM »

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Sacramento is now amenable to trading Harrison Barnes, per reports.

Does a Horford and Freedom and picks for Barnes and Len make sense? Could Brad close that deal?

I want Barnes, but I have too much respect for Al to consider sending him to Sacramento.  He deserves better.

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2022, 01:00:33 PM »

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Quick question. How much better is Jerami Grant than Josh Richardson? Is he a legit upgrade?
They play completely different positions, so it's not like you would be upgrading Richardson's position. It's more like you would be upgrading the starting PF position.

But, I see where you are coming from in that you think Richardson would need to go to match salaries. But, maybe you send out Horford instead. Horford, Freedom and the C's 2022 1st rounder for Grant and Olynyk. Might need more picks.

Smart/Schröder
Brown/Richardson
Tatum
Grant/G Williams
Timelord/Olynyk

That's now your much better and slightly deeper 9 man rotation.

I'm not a huge Jerami Grant guy (mostly due to his desire to be a #1 type when he is pretty clearly a #3), but if that deal were available I think it would be too good a value to pass up. I have to think Detroit holds out for more or keeps him into the summer though.

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2022, 01:22:02 PM »

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After reviewing all the posts, i can say two things...

whoever put garry harris out there, you are better than that. Dude has the worst contract in the league, has no quality

if we can actually get wood, that would be substantial. Why would we be worried about giving a couple of first rounders (look at nesmith and langford etc), they aren't going to be in the top 15 area any time soon.
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