Rumor: Hawks linked to Marcus Smart

[Vermont Green]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

[wdleehi]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

would want more if giving up Jaylen..(and richardson)

My edit.


Why move Brown now when Tatum and he are having success working together?

[Atzar]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

I think it's fairly likely that Brown is a better player on the Hawks than he is on the Celtics. 

I also think he'd be a f***ing monster down in Memphis running with Ja.  That hasn't been rumored or anything... just a fun fit to think about.

As much as I like Jaylen and want to see him succeed as a Celtic, I don't necessarily think Boston is the best situation for his game in terms of playstyle and personnel. 

[keevsnick]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

There is no situation in which I am trading brown for an inferior players and picks. None. It makes literally no sense for the Celtics to do that.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

Why are we making a trade that would benefit an eastern conference rival, sending out one of our best players? Did I miss something? We are ahead of the Hawks in the standings, right?

[slamtheking]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

what a hideous idea.  there's no one on that team I would trade Jaylen for -- Trae Young included

[wiley]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

would want more if giving up Jaylen..(and richardson)

My edit.


Why move Brown now when Tatum and he are having success working together?

good question.. I don't think the C's will move Brown.  Not unless they get a wackily high level return...

[Roy H.]

Trading Brown for Collins would be terrible.  You go from two stars to one star and a quasi star.

[Vermont Green]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

Why are we making a trade that would benefit an eastern conference rival, sending out one of our best players? Did I miss something? We are ahead of the Hawks in the standings, right?

I can't speak for others but in my case, I was just exploring an idea that someone else posted.  I agree that head to head, Brown is a better player but Collins is right there.  Plus a skilled big is a rarer commodity in the NBA right now.

I have read many posts and listened to many talking heads carry on an on about how Tatum and Brown are a bad fit next to each other.  I don't agree with that as being a fundamental truth or anything like that but I do think a really good wing and a really good big is better than two really good wings.

I don't see it as outrageous to trade Brown for Collins and first round picks.  The idea that ATL is behind us in the standings actually makes the potential value of the picks higher.  Collins and two picks is a pretty good haul but if you aren't happy with that, how about Collins and 3 picks or two picks and Huerter or something like that.  There is a point where Collins plus something is a good trade for Brown.

[SHAQATTACK]

Trading Brown for Collins would be terrible.  You go from two stars to one star and a quasi star.

Agree ,  I won’t sleep good tonight thinking about that .   Turrible idea

[CBS_Take a Report]

Trading Brown for Collins would be terrible.  You go from two stars to one star and a quasi star.

Agree ,  I won’t sleep good tonight thinking about that .   Turrible idea

I don’t see the outcome of trading Jaylen for Collins as bad as many of you. If you are iffy on Brown being the #2 , then you reset and have your #3 in Collins on a more affordable contract and locked up through ‘25. Collins is a great third leg and at 23, 23.5, 25.3 and $26.5, he is locked into an affordable and appropriate contract for a third leg.

Jaylens contract is very affordable don’t get me wrong. But is he the #2 on a championship squad? Jury is still out on that and I think it is a safer bet to suggest Collins is an appropriately paid third star.

And yes you can argue why do I care so much about salary: because our ownership is very budget oriented (clearly).

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Curveball:

Jaylen + Richardson for Collins + Bogs + 1st pick

Smart
Bogdanovic
Tatum
Collins
Williams III

Just leave Richardson and Bogs out of it.  Start with Brown for Collins plus this years first and maybe a future first.

Brown would be great for ATL.  My problem is that I am just not sure how good Collins is.  Is he just Kevin Love, good numbers but not as impactful as the numbers would suggest?  Or is he a legit, big time 20/10 PF?

Am I overlooking that Brown could be the same, good numbers, limited impact?

I will say that I would rather pair Tatum with a good PF over a good SG.

Why are we making a trade that would benefit an eastern conference rival, sending out one of our best players? Did I miss something? We are ahead of the Hawks in the standings, right?

I can't speak for others but in my case, I was just exploring an idea that someone else posted.  I agree that head to head, Brown is a better player but Collins is right there.  Plus a skilled big is a rarer commodity in the NBA right now.

I have read many posts and listened to many talking heads carry on an on about how Tatum and Brown are a bad fit next to each other.  I don't agree with that as being a fundamental truth or anything like that but I do think a really good wing and a really good big is better than two really good wings.

I don't see it as outrageous to trade Brown for Collins and first round picks.  The idea that ATL is behind us in the standings actually makes the potential value of the picks higher.  Collins and two picks is a pretty good haul but if you aren't happy with that, how about Collins and 3 picks or two picks and Huerter or something like that.  There is a point where Collins plus something is a good trade for Brown.

We fundamentally disagree on Collins' value. I think the fact that he keeps coming up in trade conversations is proof that the Hawks don't value him that highly, and the fact that other NBA teams don't offer the trades that the Hawks want is proof of the rest of the NBA is similar.

I've argued this before on other threads. I like him. I'd like to have him on the Cs, but I don't agree that his value is similar to Brown's.

[BruceBanner18]

The rumor was Smart-Bogi framework. All of the suggestions would called something different i.e. Smart for Collins framework, etc

Atlanta would need to add 2 firsts for me to be accepting of a Smart Bogi exchange (maybe we need to a send another player too). And I'd hope those FRPs would be quickly consolidated with other assets to land a bigger fish

[Vermont Green]

We fundamentally disagree on Collins' value. I think the fact that he keeps coming up in trade conversations is proof that the Hawks don't value him that highly, and the fact that other NBA teams don't offer the trades that the Hawks want is proof of the rest of the NBA is similar.

I've argued this before on other threads. I like him. I'd like to have him on the Cs, but I don't agree that his value is similar to Brown's.

I am not sure what "similar" means.  I am saying that Brown is at least 2 first round picks better than Collins.  Maybe 3 picks better.  This is just an unlikely hypothetical but would you trade Brown for Collins + 3 firsts?

You then use the picks and our TPEs to find another SG to replace Brown while also adding some depth at other positions.  Or use Horford plus picks.  This replacement SG will not be as good as Brown so we will lose something at the SG position but we would vastly improve at the PF position and be able to improve our depth too.

I love Jaylen Brown.  He is a great player.  I am not looking to trade him.  But there are deals where we can win the trade.  Collins and 2 picks probably, Collins and 3 picks absolutely.

[Moranis]

Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Okongwu

for

Brown, Smart, Langford

Some variation of that.