We have to keep Schroder

[droopdog7]

I don't see any reason to trade Schroder just to trade him.  The team will be worse this season if we trade him for a second round pick, Pritchard is not as good.  Pritchard has had plenty of playing time this year to allow for development (12.1 min/gm, 44 games, 532 total min).  Trading Schroder is not going to make Pritchard better.  A second round pick is nothing.  They can be purchased in the off season.

Now if we can get something back for Schroder that will help us this season and beyond, a PF or something like that, then fine.  We take a little step back at the back up PG but hopefully get better somewhere else, that makes sense.  But if we trade Schroder to essentially just get under the cap, I will be very disappointed.

The development that will occur for Tatum, Brown, Smart, Williams from playing better in the playoffs is more important than force feeding minutes to Pritchard in the hopes that maybe he develops.  That would be completely the wrong reason to trade someone.

This is where I'm at.  Lots of people want to trade schroeder to make room for PP.  The only way that's good is that we what PP really has.  But he's worse, and we'll be worse.  PP may not be long term at all.

So I hold onto DS unless some real offer makes it worth it.

[Big333223]

I don't think the Celtics have to keep Schroder but I'm definitely in the camp that thinks he's not likely to get the big money some talk about him getting in free agency. If he's working as a 6th man and seems to like it here, he's a useful piece.

But if the right offer comes along? Sure, trade him.

[Roy H.]

Just read that flipping Fernando and PJ gets us under the tax line.

Only one of those two will be required if Jaylen doesn't make the all-star team..

It is very odd that because of All-Star incentives, you can't know whether or not you are under tax by the deadline. At the very least, the NBA should make it not count against your cap if your player isn't voted in, but then is later added as a replacement. It is only fair.

Anyway, I generally agree with Moranis. It may be very possible to keep Schroder - and you'd have to keep him at that price - but both sides would need to buy into a more defined role moving forward.

Does it count if Brown named as injury replacement?  I have heard conflicting reports.

Yes, he would get his bonus under that circumstance.

[Celtics4ever]

I don't think keeping him is mandatory at all.   Like others said, it is not worth paying someone to take him.  He was a great pick up this year.  But reality when it comes to resigning him is something to really look at?   I do not think it is feasible despite some good talk from him.   A pro career is finite and athletes have to cash in when they can.   No one should blame him for that.

He is not a PG folks.   He is a small SG who can create.  We definitely benefit from his scoring.

Right Deal, I am all for, not enthusiastic about the one's I have read though.

[Roy H.]

I don't think keeping him is mandatory at all.   Like others said, it is not worth paying someone to take him.  He was a great pick up this year.  But reality when it comes to resigning him is something to really look at?   I do not think it is feasible despite some good talk from him.   A pro career is finite and athletes have to cash in when they can.   No one should blame him for that.

He is not a PG folks.   He is a small SG who can create.  We definitely benefit from his scoring.

Right Deal, I am all for, not enthusiastic about the one's I have read though.

If he gets a big contract, I don't blame him for leaving.

The question is, which team is going to give him that big deal?  We can offer $7 million.  The Taxpayer MLE is around $6.2 million and the full MLE is around $10 million.

How many of the teams that have the full MLE want to use it on Schroeder (which would hard cap them in the process?)  There are probably some, but the market for him won't be a large one.

[todd_days_41]

Leaving aside the Tax for a moment... I'm not in the camp that feels its important to keep Schroder, if we can get a real player or pick in return.

Is Schroder going to win us games in the playoffs? Could he win us 1 game? Maybe. And regardless, we're unlikely to be any kind of real contender -- even if we go on a decent run to, say, the EC Finals.

Meanwhile, the Cs asset pool is poor. Our total mismanagement of young talent and bench assets has left the cupboard really bare. Do Lameford, Nosmith or Pricthard have any actual value around the league? If the do, it's really minimal. So we're left with picks in the middle of the first round going forward.

So if the Cs can get either: a) a pick above 40 in the upcoming draft (or 2023), or b) a rotation player, with Bird rights, I believe they should move him. He's not a good enough player to grip too tight for the short term (of likely nothing).

For those who want to keep him / sign him, why? Is he really worth investing in (considering the cap implications), instead of someone else who fits better?

[keevsnick]

No, we don't.

I'd be disappointed if they just flat out dumped him for tax reasons like they did Theis last year, but I'm not sure how important he is to a healthy c's team (and if they arent healthy, then what's the point of going for it this year). So if you can get just about anything for him do it.

[Csfan1984]

If you want to make it far this year Schro will be a big help in doing it. Odds drop a lot with him gone.

[todd_days_41]

If you want to make it far this year Schro will be a big help in doing it. Odds drop a lot with him gone.

The odds of, what, drop a lot? Schroder's last 10 games (arguably the Cs best all year): 20 MPG, 9 & 3. Prichard can't do that?

My guess is -- once gone -- after a game or two no one would even remember the Denis Schroder era.

[Phantom255x]

It's not that I'm against trading Schroder, but my thinking is they should only deal him if they are actually getting back something pretty good (like a high 2nd round pick or dare I say, a late 1st). I don't want to just trade him for like 1-2 meh 2nd round picks. That to me is pointless especially considering Schroder could actually help the team in a potential playoff push these next few months, and provide good depth.

[slamtheking]

If you want to make it far this year Schro will be a big help in doing it. Odds drop a lot with him gone.

The odds of, what, drop a lot? Schroder's last 10 games (arguably the Cs best all year): 20 MPG, 9 & 3. Prichard can't do that?

My guess is -- once gone -- after a game or two no one would even remember the Denis Schroder era.

no, Pritchard can't.  not from what we've seen --> he can't break full court pressure.  he can't drive to the basket and finish.  he can't drive and dish to open teammates.

Pritchard, when on, is a superior shooter and a more willing passer but he's not showing he's as good as Schroder at anything else. 

[Celtics4ever]

Pritchard  can shoot but struggles to create a shot when guarded.   He can hit a shot if open though and can nail the super range shots.  He is crafty but he just not have the athletic burst Schroder has to get the hole or create a shot when guarded.

[droopdog7]

If you want to make it far this year Schro will be a big help in doing it. Odds drop a lot with him gone.

The odds of, what, drop a lot? Schroder's last 10 games (arguably the Cs best all year): 20 MPG, 9 & 3. Prichard can't do that?

My guess is -- once gone -- after a game or two no one would even remember the Denis Schroder era.

no, Pritchard can't.  not from what we've seen --> he can't break full court pressure.  he can't drive to the basket and finish.  he can't drive and dish to open teammates.

Pritchard, when on, is a superior shooter and a more willing passer but he's not showing he's as good as Schroder at anything else.

This is 100% spot on.  PP can shoot better and that is it.  He's not even a better passer, he's just more willing and that's because he can't get his own shot.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Pritchard  can shoot but struggles to create a shot when guarded.   He can hit a shot if open though and can nail the super range shots.  He is crafty but he just not have the athletic burst Schroder has to get the hole or create a shot when guarded.

Yeah. People did see how much he struggled in the closing minutes of the game against athletic, aggressive defenders for Detroit?

I like Pritchard. I just think if you are counting on him in your top 8 playoff rotation, you are going to be disappointed when elite playoff defenders are aggressive against him in playoff competition.

[Vermont Green]

If we do trade Schroder, I will say that I will not miss his "walk the dog" thing.  I think that is the dumbest thing.