We have to keep Schroder

[Rikibellevie]

PP is a perfect number 3 in the PG hierarchy, but I also see big limitations that were already there when he was supposed to be a second round pick despite being one of the best senior player in college. Lack of athletism that lead to lack of creating breach to pass or shoot and a big defensive hole in the switch evtgh NBA. He would be a fantastic player in FIBA euroleague but I think he is limited in NBA to a borderline bench player unfortunately. Whatever even if I prefer PP as a player, I prefer 100 times go to PO's with Schroeder, who also will play for his contract and has some exp (even if PP is a strong and smart guy who can face pressure, but maybe not PO intensity)
And the cherry on the cake would be to reinforce a rival like Cleveland or Bucks

[Irish Stew]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

[Celtics2021]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

This is such a lazy take.  Maybe we shouldn't overreact to losses in November and December when we were a hospital ward good team for 6-8 weeks?  Maybe we should get a win on Christmas for only finishing 4 points behind the Bucks who had their top 6 players all available while we started Romeo, played Pritchard 30 minutes, and had Hernangomez and Parker on the court for a combined 28 minutes?  If the dominating wins of the past two weeks don't count because of "reasons", then the losses shouldn't either.

[colincb]

There's a decent chance Cs can keep DS next year. Not a lot of teams are likely to have cap room this summer.

I wouldn't trade him for a 2nd rounder and far end of the bench regardless. Cs can get under the tax easily enough without him being traded. They'll collect a "non-taxpayer" check for around 19MM too, but getting under the tax now saves even more money when the Cs go into the tax in a major way.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

And a lot of loses came with Rob , Smart , Brown or a bunch of players injured or out for covid ,  so I’m not buying your hospital team drama ,  we have been under manned for several years as bad as any team , never having a full starting squad for more than 1-2 games before more players are out , having babies, personal reasons , on and on  all with a new coach to boot.

[Neurotic Guy]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

And a lot of loses came with Rob , Smart , Brown or a bunch of players injured or out for covid ,  so I’m not buying your hospital team drama ,  we have been under manned for several years as bad as any team , never having a full starting squad for more than 1-2 games before more players are out , having babies, personal reasons , on and on  all with a new coach to boot.

Hope you are correct. 

I'll just add that the last month hasn't convinced me that this is a top team in the East just as much as their earlier performance shouldn't have convinced me that they are a lottery team in the East.   I think that 55 games into the season we still don't know exactly what we have but I'll go with one thing that makes me feel they are too incomplete: They are a 3-point shooting team that is below average and inconsistent at shooting the 3.  That's not the only issue, but I think it speaks to whether they'll be able to take on a good team in a playoff series. I'd like to think that good playoff teams can bring their game nearly every playoff game. 

[Irish Stew]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

This is such a lazy take.  Maybe we shouldn't overreact to losses in November and December when we were a hospital ward good team for 6-8 weeks?  Maybe we should get a win on Christmas for only finishing 4 points behind the Bucks who had their top 6 players all available while we started Romeo, played Pritchard 30 minutes, and had Hernangomez and Parker on the court for a combined 28 minutes?  If the dominating wins of the past two weeks don't count because of "reasons", then the losses shouldn't either.

There is a major difference between not overreacting to wins and not counting wins. I also didn't overreact to losses when we were the "hospital ward" team.

What I react to is that we are the 22nd FG3% and are designed to win by shooting the 3. That is simply not a recipe for success.

I'll just ignore the juvenile part of your criticism.

[colincb]

Since Christmas (22 games), the Cs are #1 in Defensive Rating, Net Rating, Scoring Margin, Scoring Defense, OPP FG%, and OPP Assists. They're 2nd in blocks and 7th in rebounding. Despite the Cs' imperfect offense, their defense is good enough to result in the largest net rating and net margin for that period.

The Cs are better than what they were 7 weeks ago.

[Vermont Green]

I think that it's important not to overreact to this latest string of games where most of our wins have come against either:

1) dumpster fire bad teams

2) hospital ward good teams

Simply, the team must shoot the 3 better and Dennis doesn't figure to be part of that solution. Against Orlando yesterday, we started two shooters and 3 questionable shooters. Yes, we won by a million points, but does that tell us more about us or Orlando. We also shot 28% from 3. Dennis's 33.8 career FG3% is not horrible, but doesn't get us where we need to be.

This is such a lazy take.  Maybe we shouldn't overreact to losses in November and December when we were a hospital ward good team for 6-8 weeks?  Maybe we should get a win on Christmas for only finishing 4 points behind the Bucks who had their top 6 players all available while we started Romeo, played Pritchard 30 minutes, and had Hernangomez and Parker on the court for a combined 28 minutes?  If the dominating wins of the past two weeks don't count because of "reasons", then the losses shouldn't either.

There is a major difference between not overreacting to wins and not counting wins. I also didn't overreact to losses when we were the "hospital ward" team.

What I react to is that we are the 22nd FG3% and are designed to win by shooting the 3. That is simply not a recipe for success.

I'll just ignore the juvenile part of your criticism.

I think it is fair to put the recent winning in context, just as it was with the earlier losing.  The reference to the 3p% rank is a fair call out.  I have not looked but I suspect that stat has improved recently along with everything else.

Injuries are the most obvious marker or contextual variable.  Clearly, Miami without Butler, and the others is not the same team.  With the Celtics, there was a direct impact from the injuries, good players not on the court on a given night, but also an indirect impact.  The indirect impact is the length of time it seemed to take to get the new coaching scheme engrained with the team and producing results on the court.  We have a new coach and we never really had core team out there together working things out.

We now look better I feel.  The defense has been fine all along but now the Celtics are moving the ball better and moving without the ball with more purpose.  This should lead to better looks and better shooting efficiency.  Overall, I still feel this team has some weaknesses.  Our primary big rotation (Williams, Horford, Grant) is pretty woeful.

MIL is clearly a cut above, looks like they will have enough of their team.  I think MIA also.  PHI and BKN who knows, injury, disfunction.  CLE, CHI, TOR are probably teams we could beat (or at least compete with in the playoffs) if we continue on the current trajectory.  That is about where I see us.

[CBS_Take a Report]

This is a tricky situation. Trading Dennis might mentally signal something to this team and have an adverse effect on compete level. From this standpoint, I don’t like the idea of trading him. He has also been an offensive spark plug with a team lacking offensive punch after Tatum Brown and the occasional outburst from Richardson and episodically Grant Williams when he gets hit from behind the arc.

But when you look at his splits, it’s clear that his fg% goes down, his turnovers go up and our overall efficiency as a team defensively go down the more minutes he gets as a starter.

Tricky…

[SHAQATTACK]

Or Brad is waiting for a club to cough up a sweet deal counter offer ,  knowing he is in the drivers seat .  Holding on to Dennis really doesn’t hurt much in the big scheme , or might even have negative effect as they are playing well .  No reason to sell low at all.

I suspect teams will throw out their REAL offers hours before the deadline .  They hoped Brad would bite on a low ball offer LOL …good luck on that buyers.   Kind of like bidding on eBay waiting till the last second to make your move on a purchase.  If he is let go,  at this moment in time it will cost a pretty penny to have his services  for the rest of the season.

[Ed Monix]

On Celtics trade talks and potentially giving up Dennis Schroder in a deal:

Boston is very confident in simply switching Josh Richardson to Schroder's on-ball backup PG duties, per a source. Celtics don't feel they have to get back a PG for Schroder.

Keith Smith

[PhoSita]

On Celtics trade talks and potentially giving up Dennis Schroder in a deal:

Boston is very confident in simply switching Josh Richardson to Schroder's on-ball backup PG duties, per a source. Celtics don't feel they have to get back a PG for Schroder.

Keith Smith

lol this team will never have a full 48 minutes of competent PG play again huh

[Celtics2021]

On Celtics trade talks and potentially giving up Dennis Schroder in a deal:

Boston is very confident in simply switching Josh Richardson to Schroder's on-ball backup PG duties, per a source. Celtics don't feel they have to get back a PG for Schroder.

Keith Smith

Yes, it was noteworthy that even when Smart was out Schroder wasn't always out there to close games.  They went with Richardson-Brown-Tatum and both Williamses, and it wasn't wholly unsuccessful, albeit only in two games, although Tatum was running the offense as opposed to Richardson.  If the C's could exchange Schroder for a shooting wing, that might be a better fit.

[Vermont Green]

On Celtics trade talks and potentially giving up Dennis Schroder in a deal:

Boston is very confident in simply switching Josh Richardson to Schroder's on-ball backup PG duties, per a source. Celtics don't feel they have to get back a PG for Schroder.

Keith Smith

Yes, it was noteworthy that even when Smart was out Schroder wasn't always out there to close games.  They went with Richardson-Brown-Tatum and both Williamses, and it wasn't wholly unsuccessful, albeit only in two games, although Tatum was running the offense as opposed to Richardson.  If the C's could exchange Schroder for a shooting wing, that might be a better fit.

I noticed that too.  In total, Richardson has played a total of 25 minutes where he was the PG (no Smart, Pritchard, or Schroder)  for a net plus/minus of +18 in that time.

The specific line up of JRich, Brown, Tatum, RWill, GWill is only 10 min and +1.  Most of the other line ups look like odd ball or garbage time line ups.  For example, there is a line up that includes Hauser, Thompson, and Langford that is +7 in 3 minutes.