Trade Idea: Get a young reserve

[Celtics2021]

One of my favorite trade acquisitions was getting Jae Crowder back in 2014.  He was a young guy on his first contract, but playing well in a reserve role.  Our young reserves aren't doing so well aside from Grant, but I think getting another one at the deadline would be a good idea.  So I searched NBA.com, and found 17 players who a) are 24 or under, b) play between 15-25 minutes, c) have a positive net rating, and d) have played in at least 30 games (so we're not dealing with sample sizes that are too small).  These guys are all regular for their teams, but are probably not seen as crucial players and might be available in the next week (there could be an exception or two on the list).  Many of them are glue guys.

Amir Coffey
Austin Reaves
Corey Kispert
De'Anthony Melton
Deni Avdija
Derrick Jones Jr.
Furkan Korkmaz
Grant Williams
Immanuel Quickley
Isaiah Hartenstein
Jalen McDaniels
Landry Shamet
Obi Toppin
P.J. Washington
Precious Achiuwa
Terence Davis
Ty Jerome

On that list, obviously recency bias makes me interested in PJ Washington, but his name has been tossed around for a bit, as he might not be in the Hornets long-term plans, having been passed by Miles Bridges and Cody Martin, two players who are reaching restricted free agency and due for large raises.  Ty Jerome is another name that could be worth looking at, especially if we trade Schroder.  His shooting numbers have taken a hit this year (42% from 3 last year, only 30% this year), but it could be a buy-low opportunity, and the Thunder play 9 points per 100 better when he's on the court (likely due to his defense remaining solid despite his offensive struggles).  Anyone on this list you think might be a bargain acquisition?

[todd_days_41]

As I expressed yesterday, I'd love to snag Vanderbilt from Minny -- though I doubt they're trading him right now.

[Celtics2021]

As I expressed yesterday, I'd love to snag Vanderbilt from Minny -- though I doubt they're trading him right now.

Yeah, he didn’t make this list because he plays too many minutes for them.  I agree with your opinion of him, but he’s outplayed being an under-the-radar acquisition at this point.

[todd_days_41]

As I expressed yesterday, I'd love to snag Vanderbilt from Minny -- though I doubt they're trading him right now.

Yeah, he didn’t make this list because he plays too many minutes for them.  I agree with your opinion of him, but he’s outplayed being an under-the-radar acquisition at this point.

Got it. I've batted around acquiring Washington for some time... but does he kinda duplicate Grant Williams?

[A Future of Stevens]

If the price was right (aka not much at all,) I would love to get Derrick Jones Jr. Would he change the culture or win/loss total of the team? No. He is just good for an electrifying highlight every once in a while. His nickname is airplane mode. Top 1% athlete.

[Celtics2021]

As I expressed yesterday, I'd love to snag Vanderbilt from Minny -- though I doubt they're trading him right now.

Yeah, he didn’t make this list because he plays too many minutes for them.  I agree with your opinion of him, but he’s outplayed being an under-the-radar acquisition at this point.

Got it. I've batted around acquiring Washington for some time... but does he kinda duplicate Grant Williams?

A bit yes.  He's got a couple more inches in reach on Grant, so he might be slightly more viable at the center.  I wouldn't have a problem with both on the roster, however, especially as Al might be gone next year and there could be room for one in the starting lineup.

[Celtics2021]

If the price was right (aka not much at all,) I would love to get Derrick Jones Jr. Would he change the culture or win/loss total of the team? No. He is just good for an electrifying highlight every once in a while. His nickname is airplane mode. Top 1% athlete.

Yeah, I had hoped we could get him at the draft in a salary dump from Portland with the Hayward TPE.  We wound up with Richardson, so no objections to how that played out.  I do think he's found a much better fit in Chicago this year -- he looked lost last year with the Blazers.

[Atzar]

As I expressed yesterday, I'd love to snag Vanderbilt from Minny -- though I doubt they're trading him right now.

Yeah, he didn’t make this list because he plays too many minutes for them.  I agree with your opinion of him, but he’s outplayed being an under-the-radar acquisition at this point.

Got it. I've batted around acquiring Washington for some time... but does he kinda duplicate Grant Williams?

Yeah, they're both backup forward types.  Neither is really good enough to break into the starting lineup, and neither is big enough to play the 5 except against very specific matchups, so mostly they'd eat each other's minutes off the bench. 

Of the two, I'd prefer to just keep playing Grant rather than pay whatever it would cost to acquire PJ.  A starting caliber 4 might make more sense - you could then bring Al off the bench and slide the Jays to the 2/3 - but that's too much to ask of PJ in my opinion.   

[todd_days_41]

If the price was right (aka not much at all,) I would love to get Derrick Jones Jr. Would he change the culture or win/loss total of the team? No. He is just good for an electrifying highlight every once in a while. His nickname is airplane mode. Top 1% athlete.

Yeah, I had hoped we could get him at the draft in a salary dump from Portland with the Hayward TPE.  We wound up with Richardson, so no objections to how that played out.  I do think he's found a much better fit in Chicago this year -- he looked lost last year with the Blazers.

Or -- get Javonte back. Though, like Vanderbilt, that ship may have sailed.

By the way, you're right to raise OKC and LAC players as possibilities. To me, along with ORL, they're the team we're most likely to trade with for role ./ bench players in the next week. 

[PhoSita]

I think the ideal target would be a guy who was a 3 or 4 year college guy, has been in the league for a season or two and is still on his rookie deal, who has shown some level of polish / NBA-level skill but maybe doesn't have a super high ceiling so isn't getting that much play on a rebuilding team.

The Celts have a couple guys -- Nesmith and Langford -- who are both a bit more raw and still fairly young. We've seen that the Celts really only give playing time to more polished players (e.g. Grant, Pritchard).  Timelord was a project and took basically all of his rookie contract before he became a rotation staple. 

If the Celts could swap out Langford or Nesmith and get back a player or two who might stand a chance of sticking in the rotation despite having theoretically a lower ceiling than either of the outgoing guys, that might be worth it.

Do I have any specific names in mind? No.

Used to be I would spend half an hour on the BRef Play Index looking up ideas but that's behind a paywall now.

[Celtics2021]

I think the ideal target would be a guy who was a 3 or 4 year college guy, has been in the league for a season or two and is still on his rookie deal, who has shown some level of polish / NBA-level skill but maybe doesn't have a super high ceiling so isn't getting that much play on a rebuilding team.

The Celts have a couple guys -- Nesmith and Langford -- who are both a bit more raw and still fairly young. We've seen that the Celts really only give playing time to more polished players (e.g. Grant, Pritchard).  Timelord was a project and took basically all of his rookie contract before he became a rotation staple. 

If the Celts could swap out Langford or Nesmith and get back a player or two who might stand a chance of sticking in the rotation despite having theoretically a lower ceiling than either of the outgoing guys, that might be worth it.

Do I have any specific names in mind? No.

Used to be I would spend half an hour on the BRef Play Index looking up ideas but that's behind a paywall now.

Same here.  Now I'm left with sorting and filtering on NBA.com, which isn't the worst, but isn't as good as BRef.

[todd_days_41]

I think the ideal target would be a guy who was a 3 or 4 year college guy, has been in the league for a season or two and is still on his rookie deal, who has shown some level of polish / NBA-level skill but maybe doesn't have a super high ceiling so isn't getting that much play on a rebuilding team.

The Celts have a couple guys -- Nesmith and Langford -- who are both a bit more raw and still fairly young. We've seen that the Celts really only give playing time to more polished players (e.g. Grant, Pritchard).  Timelord was a project and took basically all of his rookie contract before he became a rotation staple. 

If the Celts could swap out Langford or Nesmith and get back a player or two who might stand a chance of sticking in the rotation despite having theoretically a lower ceiling than either of the outgoing guys, that might be worth it.

Do I have any specific names in mind? No.

Used to be I would spend half an hour on the BRef Play Index looking up ideas but that's behind a paywall now.

Same here.  Now I'm left with sorting and filtering on NBA.com, which isn't the worst, but isn't as good as BRef.

Cs2021 -- any reason why you left K Williams (OKC) off?

[Celtics2021]

I think the ideal target would be a guy who was a 3 or 4 year college guy, has been in the league for a season or two and is still on his rookie deal, who has shown some level of polish / NBA-level skill but maybe doesn't have a super high ceiling so isn't getting that much play on a rebuilding team.

The Celts have a couple guys -- Nesmith and Langford -- who are both a bit more raw and still fairly young. We've seen that the Celts really only give playing time to more polished players (e.g. Grant, Pritchard).  Timelord was a project and took basically all of his rookie contract before he became a rotation staple. 

If the Celts could swap out Langford or Nesmith and get back a player or two who might stand a chance of sticking in the rotation despite having theoretically a lower ceiling than either of the outgoing guys, that might be worth it.

Do I have any specific names in mind? No.

Used to be I would spend half an hour on the BRef Play Index looking up ideas but that's behind a paywall now.

Same here.  Now I'm left with sorting and filtering on NBA.com, which isn't the worst, but isn't as good as BRef.

Cs2021 -- any reason why you left K Williams (OKC) off?

He didn’t meet the filter requirements I outlined in the OP:  15-25 MPG, 24 or under, games played, positive net rating.  Certainly he missed on age, as he’s 27.  Might have missed on others.

[tonydelk]

One of my favorite trade acquisitions was getting Jae Crowder back in 2014.  He was a young guy on his first contract, but playing well in a reserve role.  Our young reserves aren't doing so well aside from Grant, but I think getting another one at the deadline would be a good idea.  So I searched NBA.com, and found 17 players who a) are 24 or under, b) play between 15-25 minutes, c) have a positive net rating, and d) have played in at least 30 games (so we're not dealing with sample sizes that are too small).  These guys are all regular for their teams, but are probably not seen as crucial players and might be available in the next week (there could be an exception or two on the list).  Many of them are glue guys.

Amir Coffey
Austin Reaves
Corey Kispert
De'Anthony Melton
Deni Avdija
Derrick Jones Jr.
Furkan Korkmaz
Grant Williams
Immanuel Quickley
Isaiah Hartenstein
Jalen McDaniels
Landry Shamet
Obi Toppin
P.J. Washington
Precious Achiuwa
Terence Davis
Ty Jerome

On that list, obviously recency bias makes me interested in PJ Washington, but his name has been tossed around for a bit, as he might not be in the Hornets long-term plans, having been passed by Miles Bridges and Cody Martin, two players who are reaching restricted free agency and due for large raises.  Ty Jerome is another name that could be worth looking at, especially if we trade Schroder.  His shooting numbers have taken a hit this year (42% from 3 last year, only 30% this year), but it could be a buy-low opportunity, and the Thunder play 9 points per 100 better when he's on the court (likely due to his defense remaining solid despite his offensive struggles).  Anyone on this list you think might be a bargain acquisition?

PH and jerome are about the only ones on theist who entices me.  PJ has had good and bad moments this year and was much better last year.  He can play the 4 and 5.  He can space the floor.  He'd be a good backup big. 

Jerome is what we want Nesmith to be so I'd rather give Nesmith minutes vs trading for Jerome. 

[Celtics2021]

One of my favorite trade acquisitions was getting Jae Crowder back in 2014.  He was a young guy on his first contract, but playing well in a reserve role.  Our young reserves aren't doing so well aside from Grant, but I think getting another one at the deadline would be a good idea.  So I searched NBA.com, and found 17 players who a) are 24 or under, b) play between 15-25 minutes, c) have a positive net rating, and d) have played in at least 30 games (so we're not dealing with sample sizes that are too small).  These guys are all regular for their teams, but are probably not seen as crucial players and might be available in the next week (there could be an exception or two on the list).  Many of them are glue guys.

Amir Coffey
Austin Reaves
Corey Kispert
De'Anthony Melton
Deni Avdija
Derrick Jones Jr.
Furkan Korkmaz
Grant Williams
Immanuel Quickley
Isaiah Hartenstein
Jalen McDaniels
Landry Shamet
Obi Toppin
P.J. Washington
Precious Achiuwa
Terence Davis
Ty Jerome

On that list, obviously recency bias makes me interested in PJ Washington, but his name has been tossed around for a bit, as he might not be in the Hornets long-term plans, having been passed by Miles Bridges and Cody Martin, two players who are reaching restricted free agency and due for large raises.  Ty Jerome is another name that could be worth looking at, especially if we trade Schroder.  His shooting numbers have taken a hit this year (42% from 3 last year, only 30% this year), but it could be a buy-low opportunity, and the Thunder play 9 points per 100 better when he's on the court (likely due to his defense remaining solid despite his offensive struggles).  Anyone on this list you think might be a bargain acquisition?

PH and jerome are about the only ones on theist who entices me.  PJ has had good and bad moments this year and was much better last year.  He can play the 4 and 5.  He can space the floor.  He'd be a good backup big. 

Jerome is what we want Nesmith to be so I'd rather give Nesmith minutes vs trading for Jerome.

Jerome can also play PG.  That's not Nesmith.