Trade deadline rumors

[Jvalin]

Wonder whether they'd be willing to absorb Schroder's salary and send us a second-round pick. Cleveland owns Houston's 2022 second-round pick which currently sits at #33.



Not sure what ''valuable first-round pick'' actually means, but I'd gladly trade our 2022 first + Smart + filler(s) for Collins. The way I see it, the rumor makes sense only if by ''valuable'' they mean a high lotto pick. Needless to say, the C's don't have a high lotto pick.

[celticsclay]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

[Jvalin]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

Cleveland have traded their 2022 second-round pick to New Orleans, but they own Houston's and San Antonio's 2022 second-round picks. The Houston pick currently sits at #33. I bet the C's would gladly trade Schroder for #33 + cap relief.

[Celtics2021]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

Cleveland have traded their 2022 second-round pick to New Orleans, but they own Houston's and San Antonio's 2022 second-round picks. The Houston pick currently sits at #33. I bet the C's would gladly trade Schroder for #33 + cap relief.

I don’t think they’d do it for cap relief.  They can pay OkC $2 million to take on Fernando, drop under the tax line, and pick up between $10-14 million in tax payments from the other teams, for a net profit on that $2 million then send out.

If Schröder is traded it will be only based on the compensation received, not to reduce salary.

[Celtics2021]

Horford is a starter.

Horford + Fernando + 1st for Collins + Dieng.  Both teams wind up under the tax and don’t have to cut a player.

Pick from C’s is protected 1-4 and 15-30 in 2022 and 2023, protected 1-4 in 2024-2028, turns into a 2nd in 2028. This way the Hawks get a couple of chances for the C’s to miss the playoffs and be a late lottery team, thus getting a more valuable 1st.  They also bring Horford back to Atlanta, which might help their team and should energize their fans.

Also, Roy is presumably happy because he gets his guy in John Collins and would likely concede that he’d have gladly traded Kemba and two firsts for him.

[LilRip]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

31-35 range is an early 2nd round pick. I’d do it. Schroeder isn’t long for this franchise. I’d much rather get value for him now and help another team with their playoff run

[Roy H.]

Some rumors Celts fans probably have interest in:

ESPN’s Brian Windhorst reported Thursday that New York is looking to deal its more experienced players to make room for its younger stars. “In conversations this week with teams, the Knicks have expressed a willingness to trade some of their veteran players,” Windhorst said on NBA Today. “That includes Kemba Walker, Evan Fournier, Alec Burks, guys like this.” – via Doric Sam @ Bleacher Report

When asked about Jalen Brunson’s pending free agency and potential trade market, Begley stated the Knicks ‘have at least touched base’ with the Mavericks about Brunson. Begley also mentioned there’s at least one more team willing to make him an offer ‘north of $20 million’ in free agency. “Jalen Brunson, for many different reasons, has been on the Knick radar for a while now. He’s got plenty of connections to the Knicks. So I know the Knicks, at the very least, have touched based with Dallas on Brunson and I can’t tell you what it would take to pry Brunson from Dallas from a Knick perspective. I’m not sure on that. – via Grant Afseth @ Sports Illustrated

Zach Lowe: I’ve also heard that people are calling the Spurs and trying to see if they can get Derrick white or even Dejounte Murray – via Spotify

Like it may also be coming from there, but I’ve heard this. I’m sure you have to, like it’s other people around the league who are not part of Brooklyn’s, uh, franchise or part of the Sixers, who have said they’re hearing that James Harden is looking around wondering what his other options may be and eyeing Philly because of the obvious. Relationship with Daryl Morey, trust there from other years in Houston together. Hardens also tight with Michael Rubin, one of the Sixers owners, no mystery about this stuff, but I was hearing an entire case being made for why Harden might go to Philly this summer and it’d have to be via sign and trade of course, from an executive who is not with either of these franchises. – via Chris Mannix, Howard Beck @ Sports Illustrated

https://hoopshype.com/rumors/

[Sophomore]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

Cleveland have traded their 2022 second-round pick to New Orleans, but they own Houston's and San Antonio's 2022 second-round picks. The Houston pick currently sits at #33. I bet the C's would gladly trade Schroder for #33 + cap relief.

I don’t think they’d do it for cap relief.  They can pay OkC $2 million to take on Fernando, drop under the tax line, and pick up between $10-14 million in tax payments from the other teams, for a net profit on that $2 million then send out.

If Schröder is traded it will be only based on the compensation received, not to reduce salary.

Maybe? DS isn’t bringing much compensation, tho. He’s a backup in a pretty crowded field of sub-MLE point guards. Another reason to move him could be to force Ime to play the younger guys and discontinue a PG who doesn’t fit this team. I never want to see him roll the ball up the floor for the Cs ever again.

[Celtics2021]

We have to be able to do better than a late second round pick for Schroeder.

Cleveland have traded their 2022 second-round pick to New Orleans, but they own Houston's and San Antonio's 2022 second-round picks. The Houston pick currently sits at #33. I bet the C's would gladly trade Schroder for #33 + cap relief.

I don’t think they’d do it for cap relief.  They can pay OkC $2 million to take on Fernando, drop under the tax line, and pick up between $10-14 million in tax payments from the other teams, for a net profit on that $2 million then send out.

If Schröder is traded it will be only based on the compensation received, not to reduce salary.

Maybe? DS isn’t bringing much compensation, tho. He’s a backup in a pretty crowded field of sub-MLE point guards. Another reason to move him could be to force Ime to play the younger guys and discontinue a PG who doesn’t fit this team. I never want to see him roll the ball up the floor for the Cs ever again.

My point is that because the C’s can easily get under the tax, they won’t need to accept less compensation in terms of picks/players for Schröder than they otherwise would.  They’d be moving him for picks — any reduction in salary is incidental.

[Jvalin]

Horford is a starter.

Horford + Fernando + 1st for Collins + Dieng.  Both teams wind up under the tax and don’t have to cut a player.

Pick from C’s is protected 1-4 and 15-30 in 2022 and 2023, protected 1-4 in 2024-2028, turns into a 2nd in 2028. This way the Hawks get a couple of chances for the C’s to miss the playoffs and be a late lottery team, thus getting a more valuable 1st.  They also bring Horford back to Atlanta, which might help their team and should energize their fans.

Also, Roy is presumably happy because he gets his guy in John Collins and would likely concede that he’d have gladly traded Kemba and two firsts for him.

Horford isn't exactly beloved in Atlanta cause he rebuffed the Hawks proposal in 2016. His father had also criticized the loyalty of the fan base.

More importantly, I bet the Hawks find this proposal insultive in terms of value. Horford is 35 and he's massively overpaid. Chances are he has negative trade value. I highly doubt a protected first would a) net us Collins and b) allow us to dump Horford at the same time. If there's a deal to be made (which is a big if), I assume we'd have to throw in Smart and at least one unprotected first. After all, the Hawks are reportedly interested in Smart.

[footey]

Horford is a starter.

Horford + Fernando + 1st for Collins + Dieng.  Both teams wind up under the tax and don’t have to cut a player.

Pick from C’s is protected 1-4 and 15-30 in 2022 and 2023, protected 1-4 in 2024-2028, turns into a 2nd in 2028. This way the Hawks get a couple of chances for the C’s to miss the playoffs and be a late lottery team, thus getting a more valuable 1st.  They also bring Horford back to Atlanta, which might help their team and should energize their fans.

Also, Roy is presumably happy because he gets his guy in John Collins and would likely concede that he’d have gladly traded Kemba and two firsts for him.

Horford isn't exactly beloved in Atlanta cause he rebuffed the Hawks proposal in 2016. His father had also criticized the loyalty of the fan base.

More importantly, I bet the Hawks find this proposal insultive in terms of value. Horford is 35 and he's massively overpaid. Chances are he has negative trade value. I highly doubt a protected first would a) net us Collins and b) allow us to dump Horford at the same time. If there's a deal to be made (which is a big if), I assume we'd have to throw in Smart and at least one unprotected first. After all, the Hawks are reportedly interested in Smart.

Yeah this package doesn't move needle for ATL. They can do better than that for Collins. They're in win now mode, after making the ECF last season. Mid to late first round pick isn't interesting to them.

[Jvalin]

I'm wondering whether one of their options is a trade centered around Horford. After all, the Raps desperately need a starting-caliber Center. For instance, Dragic + Birch for Horford. It also works with Boucher instead of Birch, but I assume the Raps would rather shed some 2022/23 salary if they were to acquire Horford.

Birch reminds me of Theis. He's one inch taller, hence he's a better post defender. Unlike Theis, he isn't shooting the 3. Other than that, their games are almost identical. He's a terrific perimeter defender at the Center position. I reckon he'd be a great fit in our switch-heavy defensive system. He's also a reliable roller and screener. Scores 1.23 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 71st percentile. Averages 3.7 screen assists per 36. For reference purposes, Timelord averages the exact same number per 36.

According to rumors, if Dragic gets bought out (either by the Raps or by another team), he wants to team up with Luka. They won the 2017 European Championship playing together which was an amazing feat for slovenian basketball. Fwiw, Dragic was the go-to guy at the time, although 18-year-old Luka was playing great as well.

[CFAN38]

I'm wondering whether one of their options is a trade centered around Horford. After all, the Raps desperately need a starting-caliber Center. For instance, Dragic + Birch for Horford. It also works with Boucher instead of Birch, but I assume the Raps would rather shed some 2022/23 salary if they were to acquire Horford.

Birch reminds me of Theis. He's one inch taller, hence he's a better post defender. Unlike Theis, he isn't shooting the 3. Other than that, their games are almost identical. He's a terrific perimeter defender at the Center position. I reckon he'd be a great fit in our switch-heavy defensive system. He's also a reliable roller and screener. Scores 1.23 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 71st percentile. Averages 3.7 screen assists per 36. For reference purposes, Timelord averages the exact same number per 36.

According to rumors, if Dragic gets bought out (either by the Raps or by another team), he wants to team up with Luka. They won the 2017 European Championship playing together which was an amazing feat for slovenian basketball. Fwiw, Dragic was the go-to guy at the time, although 18-year-old Luka was playing great as well.

Interesting, is Horford enough of an on court improvement over Boucher or Birch for Toronto to take on the burden of his 14 mill next season? Maybe Dragic+ Boucher for Al + Langford?

[Celtics2021]

I'm wondering whether one of their options is a trade centered around Horford. After all, the Raps desperately need a starting-caliber Center. For instance, Dragic + Birch for Horford. It also works with Boucher instead of Birch, but I assume the Raps would rather shed some 2022/23 salary if they were to acquire Horford.

Birch reminds me of Theis. He's one inch taller, hence he's a better post defender. Unlike Theis, he isn't shooting the 3. Other than that, their games are almost identical. He's a terrific perimeter defender at the Center position. I reckon he'd be a great fit in our switch-heavy defensive system. He's also a reliable roller and screener. Scores 1.23 PPP when rolling to the basket which ranks in the 71st percentile. Averages 3.7 screen assists per 36. For reference purposes, Timelord averages the exact same number per 36.

According to rumors, if Dragic gets bought out (either by the Raps or by another team), he wants to team up with Luka. They won the 2017 European Championship playing together which was an amazing feat for slovenian basketball. Fwiw, Dragic was the go-to guy at the time, although 18-year-old Luka was playing great as well.

I’ve been crossing my fingers for a Dragic-Boucher swap for a bit.  Regardless of Birch or Boucher, however, it pushes the Raptors into the tax, so the Raptors would either have to line up something else while they sent salary to a third team.

I think the Raps like Birch a fair bit, so I’m not sure if they’d value keeping his contract more than moving it because of Horford’s guarantee next year.  For what it’s worth, the Raps do have a lot of room under the tax next year (30 million, without many open roster spots).  They’d be able to deal with Horford’s contract next year better than a lot of teams (either by using it in a trade or taking the hit).

I think Horford as the starting 5 would be beneficial for them, because they could move Siakam back to the 4.