Rumour: Harden to the 76ers?

[Goldstar88]

That makes Brooklyn worse. Makes no sense.

Stein alluded to the fact that Harden has already turned down a contract extension & has a player option this off-season.

Harden can leave as a free agent…regardless if Brooklyn like it or not.

Sure, but if you’re Harden, why wouldn’t you wait until the offseason and leave your options open? Especially with the whole Kyrie situation.

[KG Living Legend]

Next year Durant 34 years old
Harden 33 Years old, really about 40 considering his body and conditioning.
Kyrie 30 years old

This is a perfect fit for Simmons and resets the clock for the Nets. IF it does work your looking at a championship team for the next five years.

[celticsclay]

76ers not noticing a guy often out of shape is playing worst basketball in years? It is probably the best they can get at this point though

Harden's last 11 games.  27.2 ppg, 11.0 apg, 8.3 rpg, 50.9% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 86.1% from the line on 9.8 FTApg.  In other words, Harden is pretty much back in MVP form after a slow start to the year.

Sorry that is not mvp form. Team also performing poorly. He is still a good player but also only getting older and repeatedly has come into seasons out of shape. This isn’t really groundbreaking stuff to point out. Cool he had an 11 game run though.

[Moranis]

76ers not noticing a guy often out of shape is playing worst basketball in years? It is probably the best they can get at this point though

Harden's last 11 games.  27.2 ppg, 11.0 apg, 8.3 rpg, 50.9% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 86.1% from the line on 9.8 FTApg.  In other words, Harden is pretty much back in MVP form after a slow start to the year.

Sorry that is not mvp form. Team also performing poorly. He is still a good player but also only getting older and repeatedly has come into seasons out of shape. This isn’t really groundbreaking stuff to point out. Cool he had an 11 game run though.

Harden's MVP season he averaged 30.4 ppg, 8.8 apg, 5.4 rpg, 53.1 from 2, 36.7 from 3, and 85.8 from the line on 10.1 FTApg.  His Game Score on bball-ref was 24.3.  His last 11 games he is at 24.6. 

Statistically a bit worse shooting, but a better passer and rebounder the last 11.  In other words, Harden is in his MVP form and there doesn't appear any reason to think he won't continue playing at that level. 

[liam]

76ers not noticing a guy often out of shape is playing worst basketball in years? It is probably the best they can get at this point though

Harden's last 11 games.  27.2 ppg, 11.0 apg, 8.3 rpg, 50.9% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 86.1% from the line on 9.8 FTApg.  In other words, Harden is pretty much back in MVP form after a slow start to the year.

Sorry that is not mvp form. Team also performing poorly. He is still a good player but also only getting older and repeatedly has come into seasons out of shape. This isn’t really groundbreaking stuff to point out. Cool he had an 11 game run though.

Harden's MVP season he averaged 30.4 ppg, 8.8 apg, 5.4 rpg, 53.1 from 2, 36.7 from 3, and 85.8 from the line on 10.1 FTApg.  His Game Score on bball-ref was 24.3.  His last 11 games he is at 24.6. 

Statistically a bit worse shooting, but a better passer and rebounder the last 11.  In other words, Harden is in his MVP form and there doesn't appear any reason to think he won't continue playing at that level.

It's really a good trade for both teams. Harden might feel he has a better shot for a ring in Brooklyn. Harden sitting out isn't much of an improvement over Simmons sitting out.

[hpantazo]

76ers not noticing a guy often out of shape is playing worst basketball in years? It is probably the best they can get at this point though

Harden's last 11 games.  27.2 ppg, 11.0 apg, 8.3 rpg, 50.9% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 86.1% from the line on 9.8 FTApg.  In other words, Harden is pretty much back in MVP form after a slow start to the year.

Sorry that is not mvp form. Team also performing poorly. He is still a good player but also only getting older and repeatedly has come into seasons out of shape. This isn’t really groundbreaking stuff to point out. Cool he had an 11 game run though.

Harden's MVP season he averaged 30.4 ppg, 8.8 apg, 5.4 rpg, 53.1 from 2, 36.7 from 3, and 85.8 from the line on 10.1 FTApg.  His Game Score on bball-ref was 24.3.  His last 11 games he is at 24.6. 

Statistically a bit worse shooting, but a better passer and rebounder the last 11.  In other words, Harden is in his MVP form and there doesn't appear any reason to think he won't continue playing at that level.

Harden's gonna be 33 this summer, no way he plays at an MVP level anymore. He's no Lebron or Tom Brady, he doesn't keep himself in top shape for starters.  Father time's going to run him over and back up over him too.

[celticsclay]

76ers not noticing a guy often out of shape is playing worst basketball in years? It is probably the best they can get at this point though

Harden's last 11 games.  27.2 ppg, 11.0 apg, 8.3 rpg, 50.9% from 2, 34.2% from 3, 86.1% from the line on 9.8 FTApg.  In other words, Harden is pretty much back in MVP form after a slow start to the year.

Sorry that is not mvp form. Team also performing poorly. He is still a good player but also only getting older and repeatedly has come into seasons out of shape. This isn’t really groundbreaking stuff to point out. Cool he had an 11 game run though.

Harden's MVP season he averaged 30.4 ppg, 8.8 apg, 5.4 rpg, 53.1 from 2, 36.7 from 3, and 85.8 from the line on 10.1 FTApg.  His Game Score on bball-ref was 24.3.  His last 11 games he is at 24.6. 

Statistically a bit worse shooting, but a better passer and rebounder the last 11.  In other words, Harden is in his MVP form and there doesn't appear any reason to think he won't continue playing at that level.

Harden's gonna be 33 this summer, no way he plays at an MVP level anymore. He's no Lebron or Tom Brady, he doesn't keep himself in top shape for starters.  Father time's going to run him over and back up over him too.

yea this is pretty obvious. Not really sure why mo is getting hung up on him putting up numbers for 11 games while the nets are playing poorly as a team. Not really even a debatable thing. 100tps to mo if harden wins the mvp next year. But yeah 32 year old perennially out of shape guy that has had some minor injuries the last few years. This is just the history of the nba and what happens outside of kareem, Lebron, Malone and a few others that clearly took fitness and nutrition very serious their whole career.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I’m totally and utterly serious when I say this: isn’t a package of Marcus Smart + Robert Williams III more valuable to the Nets?

[Surferdad]

Next year Durant 34 years old
Harden 33 Years old, really about 40 considering his body and conditioning.
Kyrie 30 years old

This is a perfect fit for Simmons and resets the clock for the Nets. IF it does work your looking at a championship team for the next five years.

They still wouldn't be as good as GS.

[Who]

I’m totally and utterly serious when I say this: isn’t a package of Marcus Smart + Robert Williams III more valuable to the Nets?

You would rather have have those two guys than Ben Simmons?

I'd much rather have Ben Simmons on the Celtics. It's nowhere close. He'd be awesome here. Talent wins in the NBA and he is far more talented than either of those guys.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I’m totally and utterly serious when I say this: isn’t a package of Marcus Smart + Robert Williams III more valuable to the Nets?

You would rather have have those two guys than Ben Simmons?

I'd much rather have Ben Simmons on the Celtics. It's nowhere close. He'd be awesome here. Talent wins in the NBA and he is far more talented than either of those guys.

Yes I would rather those two than Ben Simmons. I was actually stating from the Nets perspective (ie where we would acquire Harden for a package centered on those two).

[Sophomore]

Next year Durant 34 years old
Harden 33 Years old, really about 40 considering his body and conditioning.
Kyrie 30 years old

This is a perfect fit for Simmons and resets the clock for the Nets. IF it does work your looking at a championship team for the next five years.

A Simmons deal would send Harden out of Brooklyn, so take him out of the mix.

They’d be left with Simmons, Kyrie, and KD. Kyrie and Simmons play the same position. Maybe you think you can convince Simmons to play PF, but he wants the ball in his hands and hes made very clear he only plays the way he wants to (how hard did the Sixers try to get him to shoot?). How that works out is anybody’s guess. In general, peak Harden is a *lot* more valuable than peak Simmons, because he adds three level shot creation for himself to very good passing. So at best, Simmons lowers their ceiling. Add to that the very real questions about Kyrie and KD’s availability and …

The only reason Bklyn does this is that Harden threatens to walk and they get nothing.

[johnnygreen]

What is currently going on between the 76ers and Simmons? Is the team paying Simmons to stay home, or is the team still fining Simmons every day? If it’s the latter, then I don’t see how Simmons would be OK with not being dealt at the trade deadline. Wouldn’t he suddenly pass a psych evaluation, and be willing to join the team. Now, his teammates or coaches may not want him, and vice versa, which is why Daryl Morey has to trade him now. This whole idea of waiting until the offseason, sounds like the 76ers still aren’t receiving the offers they envisioned, and are leaking this idea out. At some point Morey has to take the hit that he was wrong, and just trade the guy based on the market value outside the 76ers organization. Simmons is no longer a generational talent if he can’t and is unwilling to shoot.

[Who]

I’m totally and utterly serious when I say this: isn’t a package of Marcus Smart + Robert Williams III more valuable to the Nets?

You would rather have have those two guys than Ben Simmons?

I'd much rather have Ben Simmons on the Celtics. It's nowhere close. He'd be awesome here. Talent wins in the NBA and he is far more talented than either of those guys.

Yes I would rather those two than Ben Simmons. I was actually stating from the Nets perspective (ie where we would acquire Harden for a package centered on those two).

Are you just low on Ben Simmons or high on Rob Williams & Marcus Smart? Or a combo of both?

If Rob Williams and Smart are so valuable, how is Boston not winning more games? If they are more valuable than Ben Simmons and play next to Tatum & Jaylen Brown.

Why are Smart and Rob Williams so valuable to Brooklyn? Smart can't shoot and compounds shooting problems. Rob Williams is an unskilled big man who can be replace by a cheap filler who could do 80% of what he brings to the table.

Ben Simmons would make a massive boost to Boston and be much better next to Kyrie and Durant. His ball-handling, passing, transition offense, interior scoring, rebounding, man defense, team defense are all stellar. How tough would Kyrie and Durant be filling lanes and spotting up from 3 with Simmons running the break? They'd be lethal. Brooklyn would be the most exciting team in the league with Simmons' passing.

[Who]

What is currently going on between the 76ers and Simmons? Is the team paying Simmons to stay home, or is the team still fining Simmons every day?

I believe they have stopped fining him. I have no idea why. Why pay a guy who refuses to do his job?

What is currently going on between the 76ers and Simmons? Is the team paying Simmons to stay home, or is the team still fining Simmons every day? If it’s the latter, then I don’t see how Simmons would be OK with not being dealt at the trade deadline. Wouldn’t he suddenly pass a psych evaluation, and be willing to join the team.

I've seen some recent reports saying 76ers do not believe Simmons will rejoin the team if not traded. It sounded fairly dire. They have no real expectation of Simmons changing his mind. It is like this is not even a consideration anymore.

They still believe waiting until the summer might be the right choice despite this. I believe they are right also. Guys like Lillard and Beal may become available then. The market can change. It sounds like Embiid is on board with waiting too.

It sucks to lose this season / this opportunity but if there is a good chance -- and I say chance rather than guarantee or high likelihood but rather a good likelihood -- that the market could improve in a big way, then there is a strong argument for waiting.

I think they're doing the right thing by being patient.

Even if you only get 75c on the dollar in the summer. That is still a lot better than 40c on the dollar if that is all you are getting offered right now.