Why Brown must be traded at some point

[Kiorrik]

Brown took 36 shots last night. He was dominating the ball, yet he had zero assists and 3 turnovers! I'm gonna write this again cause it is straight up ridiculous: 36 shot attempts, zero assists! This is the issue, not that the Jays "occupy the same parts of the floor" like the OP suggests. What does that even mean? The vast majority of players in the modern NBA occupy space on the perimeter.

edit: just saw that celticsclay wrote practically the same thing

0 assists means nothing on a night when the whole team shoots like crap and that he did pass to teammates enough for 8 potential assists.   4-42 on three pointers by the team.  Jaylen's passes were likely almost all for 3's.  if the bricklayers made even half of those attempts, the C's win.  This wasn't on Jaylen -- other than his own horrible 3 point shooting.  he was the only one trying to get baskets by driving to the bucket.  everyone else was bombing away, badly.

Are you suggesting that Brown is actually a good passer, but his teammates cannot take advantage of his passing skills? If so, how come Horford delivered 8 assists last night with only 1 t/o? He was playing alongside the same teammates.

Did you watch the game?

No. Are you happy now? I've been watching his games the past 6 years. He's a scorer, not a shot creator. Feel free to believe he is a good passer and his teammates cannot take advantage of his passing skills.

I've posted this in like 6 topics now (including on this page) because people keep bringing up Brown's lack of assists.

According to @ESPNStatsInfo, Jaylen Brown had eight potential assists tonight – tied for the most by any player who didn't record an assist in a game this season. Certainly felt that he had around that many while watching live.

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1476395315834011648

I read it, no need to post it 6 times. Again: Do you think Brown is actually a good passer and his teammates cannot take advantage of his passing skills?

I think he's a better passer than he gets credit for. And I do believe that this game is a great example of his teammates being terrible.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Major props to Moranis.

Another thing to consider: In Jaylen’s mind, this may have been a Kobe-esque LA tryout? The stat line definitely screams 2012 Kobe.

Can we rename the thread JTJB: Just Trade Jaylen Brown?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Just kind of playing devil's advocate. Al Horford got 8 assists, as someone mentioned. It is possible that a lot of those were to Jaylen though.

I think hitting people in rhythm is also important. I see both Tatum and Brown trying hard to move the ball, but they aren't natural passers and sometimes the play is just slightly off. This is just some BS eye test from the games I've watched - I have faith in their improvement.

[Moranis]

This post has nothing to do with last night. I have been saying this for years in various threads.  I just finally put it all in one place.  The simple reality is Boston doesn't need Brown to be successful, while conversely Boston needs Tatum. Tatum doesn't even need to play well, he just has to be on the floor.  We've seen this time and time again, year after year.  We are now getting close to the point of no return.  It is time.  Those 2 just don't work, why delay the inevitable.

[LilRip]

Brown is not a good playmaker. He can make a nice pass here and there but he’s usually better off shooting it (because he seems above average in making tough shots). On this team alone, he’s behind Tatum, Smart, Horford, Schroder and Pritchard. His on-court IQ (on both ends) just doesn’t match his immense skill level.

As for the OP, I’ve been on this train maybe the past 2-3 yrs now although I’ve softened my stance from “let’s trade him” to “I would welcome a trade”. At the end of the day, you need talent and trading JB for a lesser piece that fits better around Tatum would still likely net you a negative result.

[Roy H.]

Keep both Jays, add better players around them.

[Kiorrik]

Keep both Jays, add better players around them.

This. Even if you get a similar talent, it won't move the needle enough.

We have some bad players that need replacing. Don't replace one of the 2 good ones plz.

[Birdman]

Keep both Jays, add better players around them.

Agree! Get rid of all these D-league players in Grant, Romeo, Nesmith, Bruno, Hauser..Trade Smart..Put TimeLord on bench..get some vets and a legit BIG man

[Moranis]

Keep both Jays, add better players around them.

I'm not sure that works unless one of those players is at least better than Brown because when your two best players work better without the other one, there isn't a ton you can do.  Philly has largely had the same problem i.e. Simmons isn't a great fit with Embiid and Embiid is clearly their best and most important player. 

But even assuming that you could find the right fit of players to make the Tatum/Brown duo work and be an actual contender, how exactly is the team supposed to do that?  Boston doesn't exactly have a wealth of tradeable assets that will yield really good value in return.  And while Boston has all of its 1st round picks, they aren't projected to be high picks, even 5 years out because Tatum (and in that scenario Brown) are so young.  At least when Houston was trading with Brooklyn for picks 5 or 6 years in the future, you could actually project those picks to be past the effectiveness of Durant and Harden, and thus they might actually be really good picks.  That just isn't the case with Boston. 

[Sophomore]

Brown had 36 shots and one assist. This is as down on him as I have been.

I’d wait to see how many potential assists he had tonight before coming to such a conclusion.  Guys were missing wide open shots all night.  By the end of it guys were passing up wide open shots too.  Seemed like Jaylen was the only guy who wasn’t afraid to shoot, they were so collectively bad.

He had 8 potential assists. When the team shoots 10% from 3 this is what happens. He started by creating good shots for teammates but when they didn’t hit he fell back into heroball. Have we seen that movie before from Brown and Tatum? Heck, we even saw it from Schroeder when Ime was letting him close.

[Birdman]

Don’t know how professional athletes can miss soooo many 3s in a game..especially that’s what u do for a living is playing basketball

[Surferdad]

As painful as that game was, it was not as bad as the self-destruct games against the Wolves, Bucks and Sixers.  They just shot really poorly, and what that led to was a hesitation to shoot by everyone except Brown.  The over-passing (due to that hesitation to shoot) was ridiculous.  These guys are playing scared.  No one wants to shoot.  A couple of time, I saw passes that were right back to the player who passed to them.  What good is that, other than to regain the dribble?  The ball was a hot potato and it led to couple of bad turnovers as well.

Bottom line for me: Talent was lacking in this particular game, but the bigger issue was an incorrect mindset.  I don't really support a "blow it up" trade to improve talent.  They need players with a better mindset, more aggressive, more confident, smarter.

[Silas]

As painful as that game was, it was not as bad as the self-destruct games against the Wolves, Bucks and Sixers.  They just shot really poorly, and what that led to was a hesitation to shoot by everyone except Brown.  The over-passing (due to that hesitation to shoot) was ridiculous.  These guys are playing scared.  No one wants to shoot.  A couple of time, I saw passes that were right back to the player who passed to them.  What good is that, other than to regain the dribble?  The ball was a hot potato and it led to couple of bad turnovers as well.

Bottom line for me: Talent was lacking in this particular game, but the bigger issue was an incorrect mindset.  I don't really support a "blow it up" trade to improve talent.  They need players with a better mindset, more aggressive, more confident, smarter.

Maybe like Morris and Rozier.  The good old days.

[CBS_Take a Report]

I’ve been saying Jaylen needs to go since we drafted him. He is a guy trying to prove his self worth rather than grow into a team oriented culture. Outside of basketball, he is all about his personal brand. Inside basketball, he is slow, mechanical, telegraphs his moves and still has terrible ball handling skills.

I realize typically an all star player is traded for multiple pieces plus picks. We are not at that stage anymore. We need to maximize and build around Tatum in his prime (now and for the next 5 years).

I have been advocating Beal for some time now. Yes it is unique because it is a star for star trade and doesn’t net you the typical return you get for an all star. But there are multiple benefits to making this move:

1) You show commitment to Tatum as our centerpiece. He is who we want to build around.
2) We trial out 2 guys who have publicly stated they want to play together.
3) You trial the above and walk away if it doesn’t work and free up max spot for free agency.

And I know the next argument would be “we will lose Tatum if we trade for Beal and it doesn’t work”. Guess what? We’re gonna lose him anyways at that point…

Such a no brainer to me.

[Roy H.]

I’ve been saying Jaylen needs to go since we drafted him. He is a guy trying to prove his self worth rather than grow into a team oriented culture. Outside of basketball, he is all about his personal brand. Inside basketball, he is slow, mechanical, telegraphs his moves and still has terrible ball handling skills.

Since we drafted him?  He’s arguably the best player from his draft class, depending on how you feel about Simmons.  For a slow, mechanical guy he sure is productive.

What branding have you seen from him this season that has taken his focus off of basketball?