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You alone decide: should Ime go?

Yes….right now!
21 (21%)
Maybe, but not right now.
33 (33%)
No, not even close to enough time to evaluate him.
38 (38%)
No way, love the guy.
8 (8%)

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Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #435 on: April 21, 2022, 10:19:02 AM »

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After Udoka turned the Celtics around with a great coaching performance, many, many posters said, "Yeah, but let's see what he can do in the playoffs because that's a different game.

After two games, Udoka is doing a masterful job in these playoffs. National NBA guys are praising his coaching job this year and especially the past two games.

Maybe, Udoka is just, plain and simple, a great coach, regardless of whether he is white, black or something else. Whether he never had a head coaching job or not. Whether he was player selected and approved or not. Whether it's the regular season or not.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #436 on: April 21, 2022, 10:29:15 AM »

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After Udoka turned the Celtics around with a great coaching performance, many, many posters said, "Yeah, but let's see what he can do in the playoffs because that's a different game.

After two games, Udoka is doing a masterful job in these playoffs. National NBA guys are praising his coaching job this year and especially the past two games.

Maybe, Udoka is just, plain and simple, a great coach, regardless of whether he is white, black or something else. Whether he never had a head coaching job or not. Whether he was player selected and approved or not. Whether it's the regular season or not.

Udoka has done a really nice job making adjustments and outmatching Steve Nash.  This video doesn't focus specifically on coaching, but it's a decent breakdown of some of the things the Celtics are doing right and the Nets are doing wrong:

https://youtu.be/AAtTgfjtQUk

Ime is an excellent coach.  That said, I do think that there were some legitimate questions coming into the playoffs:

1.  How would the team respond to increased pressure?

2.  Would the team play better in close games than it did earlier in the season?

3.  With other teams shortening their rotations and playing with more intensity, would the team have the same advantage it had playing balls to the wall since January?

4.  Can the team conquer the road in the playoffs?

So far, so good.

That said, perception is fickle.  If Marcus takes the shot at the end of Game 1 rather than passing, and he misses, all of a sudden Ime is being targeted as being "overmatched".  The narratives -- at least among critics -- would be that the Celtics collapsed in the fourth quarter, Ime didn't have the team ready, and he was stupid for not calling a timeout.


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Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #437 on: April 21, 2022, 10:55:42 AM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #438 on: April 21, 2022, 11:00:11 AM »

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Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #439 on: April 21, 2022, 11:15:28 AM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #440 on: April 21, 2022, 11:17:59 AM »

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Boy ….KD looked so awful depressed when he mumbled looking down shaking his head …after game interview …..they are beating us with OUR COACH .   Ouch…..Steve Nash  :o

Nash failed game 2 ….head to head Ime owned him.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #441 on: April 21, 2022, 11:44:04 AM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we underachieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
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Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #442 on: April 21, 2022, 12:58:25 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
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Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #443 on: April 21, 2022, 01:07:52 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
So now, we're overachieving?

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #444 on: April 21, 2022, 01:10:05 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Yes I believe we did. There's a stark contrast to how they play vs now and under Brad. I didn't comment that much during Brad's tenure, but when I did it was often about how it was like watching street ball. The shot selection was bad and there was no flow to the offense imo for the majority of his time coaching. Under Ime, I see a team playing, under Brad I saw 5 guys dribbling and shooting.

I 100% believe they lose yesterday if Brad was coaching. I can't remember anytime that I saw him adjust to a swarming(higher energy than normal) defense like what we saw out of the nets in the first half yesterday.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #445 on: April 21, 2022, 01:11:40 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
So now, we're overachieving?

Room to get better, but I believe they're getting the job done.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #446 on: April 21, 2022, 01:18:54 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #447 on: April 21, 2022, 01:36:22 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.
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Re: Ime has got to go!
« Reply #448 on: April 21, 2022, 01:46:55 PM »

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I think the biggest difference between Brad and Ime has been that Brad would make more adjustments in response to the opponent. He'd make changes to the starting lineup and play certain guys more against certain teams (Semi seems to only be on the team to guard Giannis).

Ime seems to be taking the position, we do what we do and focus on doing that the best we can. I think this is the root of his short lineups all season. He's saying, "I don't care what the score is or who is in front of us, we're going to play our game every time."

With that mentality seeded and now growing, I think we'll see him expanding the lineups more in the future but for now, he's got his guys and showing them that he has confidence in them to get the job done.
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« Reply #449 on: April 21, 2022, 01:53:35 PM »

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He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.
Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.
Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee? He had already decided he was going to Brooklyn and was blatantly sabotaging the team during those games.
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