Ime has got to go!

[angryguy77]

He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.

Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee and was blatantly sabotaging the team during games?

Should've sat him when it was clear he wanted out. Might not have made a difference in the series but he showed to not be in charge by letting that happen.

[Goldstar88]

He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.

Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee and was blatantly sabotaging the team during games?

Should've sat him when it was clear he wanted out. Might not have made a difference in the series but he showed to not be in charge by letting that happen.

It would not have mattered. The damage was already done. You cannot put that on Brad.

[angryguy77]

He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.

Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee and was blatantly sabotaging the team during games?

Should've sat him when it was clear he wanted out. Might not have made a difference in the series but he showed to not be in charge by letting that happen.

It would not have mattered. The damage was already done. You cannot put that on Brad.

No it's not his fault he quit, but I believe when a coach allows that type of behavior it sends a signal to the rest of the team. Sometimes the undisciplined wahy they played makes me wonder if they tuned him out and were doing their own thing. If so, then I think events like that contributed to it.
I could be totally wrong, it's just an opinion. 

[Moranis]

Milwaukee won 60 games and was the best team in the conference in 2018-19.  If Giannis wasn't the best player in the world that season, he was certainly in the top 5 players in the world along with Lebron, Durant, Curry, and Leonard (that was Giannis' 1st MVP).  Boston should have lost that series.  Now if you want to say they should have won more than 49 games and not matched up with Milwaukee in round 2, I suppose that is fine, but Boston wasn't better than Toronto that year either, who won 58 games, was the 2nd seed, and ultimately won the championship.  So I don't really see how Boston was going to make the ECF that season.  So them losing in the ECS was the expected result and is not an underachievement by virtually any definition of the word. 

Boston did not underachieve in any season that Brad Stevens was the coach.  In fact, they more often than not over achieved and continued to do so even as the talent was getting worse and worse every season.

[RJ87]

He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.

Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee and was blatantly sabotaging the team during games?

Should've sat him when it was clear he wanted out. Might not have made a difference in the series but he showed to not be in charge by letting that happen.

It would not have mattered. The damage was already done. You cannot put that on Brad.

No it's not his fault he quit, but I believe when a coach allows that type of behavior it sends a signal to the rest of the team. Sometimes the undisciplined wahy they played makes me wonder if they tuned him out and were doing their own thing. If so, then I think events like that contributed to it.
I could be totally wrong, it's just an opinion.

Celtics management were publicly supporting Kyrie at the time and I think Danny still believed he could resign him if he traded for Anthony Davis. I don't think the situation is as simple you're remembering it. Besides, benching Kyrie would've made him more unruly and brought more media scrutiny to the team, making everything worse.

[angryguy77]

He's done a fantastic job and so far I believe he's way better than Brad. The style and how smart he has the team playing is way better than anything I saw during the BS years. He deserves a lot of props for getting this team on track after a terrible first half of the season.

You can't fault people for jumping ship earlier on as the team was playing below its ability until Jan.

Why can't we fault people for knee jerk reactions?

I too was frustrated until mid January, but I didn't think a 1/2 year was a large enough sample size. People wanted to can Ime and get someone else, while some wanted anyone else. Could you imagine if Brad listened to these fair weather fans?

Under brad we under achieved IMO. It looked like that was happening again earlier this year. I'm not saying the calls for his head were correct, but given how they were playing with the talent they have, it is understandable why some felt that way.

Did we underachieve?  I don't think we did.

Gotta agree with Mo here. Yes, Brad's team underachieved in that final Kyrie year but when else did they? 2020...the ECFs? Maybe but I think they landed about where they should have given how they were perceived before and during the season. Last season? Maybe, but huge amounts of injuries and games missed to Covid and given crappy off-season additions from Ainge and .500 and an early out in the playoffs is, again, probably where they should have landed.

Other than that, just about every other Brad team overachieved. I don't think that can even be debated.

You’re really going to put that on Brad when Kyrie quit on the C’s in that series against Milwaukee and was blatantly sabotaging the team during games?

Should've sat him when it was clear he wanted out. Might not have made a difference in the series but he showed to not be in charge by letting that happen.

It would not have mattered. The damage was already done. You cannot put that on Brad.

No it's not his fault he quit, but I believe when a coach allows that type of behavior it sends a signal to the rest of the team. Sometimes the undisciplined wahy they played makes me wonder if they tuned him out and were doing their own thing. If so, then I think events like that contributed to it.
I could be totally wrong, it's just an opinion.

Celtics management were publicly supporting Kyrie at the time and I think Danny still believed he could resign him if he traded for Anthony Davis. I don't think the situation is as simple you're remembering it. Besides, benching Kyrie would've made him more unruly and brought more media scrutiny to the team, making everything worse.

I don't think it could've gone worse than losing 4 straight.

[gouki88]

Anyone send out a search party for Somebody yet?

LOL.

[Neurotic Guy]

I don't think I've ever gone back and read a thread from the beginning before this one. I only got through about half which took me to February when things were turning around.

What a fun read.  Totally understandable, but... a lot of not so good takes.   As one who is rarely correct on analysis, I can say that I'm glad I pretty much stayed out of it. 

[gouki88]

I don't think I've ever gone back and read a thread from the beginning before this one. I only got through about half which took me to February when things were turning around.

What a fun read.  Totally understandable, but... a lot of not so good takes.   As one who is rarely correct on analysis, I can say that I'm glad I pretty much stayed out of it.

I too have a very low strike rate of correct analysis, but that did not stop me from plastering this thread with some garbage!

[Kiorrik]

Y'all just gotta trust a bit more.

And stop looking at the win/loss record because that doesn't tell you much when you're trying to go from under .500 to above it.

Progress is a process, not a straight line drive.

Signs were always there. Smart shooting less. Getting huge leads on great teams. JT passing outta double teams.

Yes we fell back into bad habits a lot, but that's why Ime played such a tight rotation imo; to train new habits. That's how building a team works. You iterate and do things over and over until they become second nature.

Said it in literally the first response in this topic, and I'll say it again;

There's ways you can improve that don't include just randomly firing and trading every piece you have.

[gouki88]

Y'all just gotta trust a bit more.

And stop looking at the win/loss record because that doesn't tell you much when you're trying to go from under .500 to above it.

Progress is a process, not a straight line drive.

Signs were always there. Smart shooting less. Getting huge leads on great teams. JT passing outta double teams.

Yes we fell back into bad habits a lot, but that's why Ime played such a tight rotation imo; to train new habits. That's how building a team works. You iterate and do things over and over until they become second nature.

Said it in literally the first response in this topic, and I'll say it again;

There's ways you can improve that don't include just randomly firing and trading every piece you have.

No matter how often it is said I will never listen!

[tenn_smoothie]

Y'all just gotta trust a bit more.

And stop looking at the win/loss record because that doesn't tell you much when you're trying to go from under .500 to above it.

Progress is a process, not a straight line drive.

Signs were always there. Smart shooting less. Getting huge leads on great teams. JT passing outta double teams.

Yes we fell back into bad habits a lot, but that's why Ime played such a tight rotation imo; to train new habits. That's how building a team works. You iterate and do things over and over until they become second nature.

Said it in literally the first response in this topic, and I'll say it again;

There's ways you can improve that don't include just randomly firing and trading every piece you have.

No matter how often it is said I will never listen!

Yes, Kiorrik, you may turn out to be right. Let's hope so. But that was some call you made.

Have you ever seen a team make such a dramatic turnaround in such a relatively short amount of time. I haven't. It was almost as if the players showed up for practice one day after another embarrassing loss and said, "OK Coach, we'll try it your way for a change."

[Kiorrik]

Y'all just gotta trust a bit more.

And stop looking at the win/loss record because that doesn't tell you much when you're trying to go from under .500 to above it.

Progress is a process, not a straight line drive.

Signs were always there. Smart shooting less. Getting huge leads on great teams. JT passing outta double teams.

Yes we fell back into bad habits a lot, but that's why Ime played such a tight rotation imo; to train new habits. That's how building a team works. You iterate and do things over and over until they become second nature.

Said it in literally the first response in this topic, and I'll say it again;

There's ways you can improve that don't include just randomly firing and trading every piece you have.

No matter how often it is said I will never listen!

Yes, Kiorrik, you may turn out to be right. Let's hope so. But that was some call you made.

Have you ever seen a team make such a dramatic turnaround in such a relatively short amount of time. I haven't. It was almost as if the players showed up for practice one day after another embarrassing loss and said, "OK Coach, we'll try it your way for a change."

Put it this way;

If I'd had to put a timeframe on it, I'd said next year.

I did not expect us to be this good this very year. I was hoping championship next year. And I low key still consider that the most likely result.

I don't really get too high or too low on teams. This is the NBA. So much can happen.

As for "the call I made" -> I simply looked at stats other than our win/loss record. That's why I keep parroting "can't lose a 20pt lead without getting up 20pts on an NBA team first".

We lacked 2 things imo, and they weren't skill related. They were mentality related.

 - Ability to deal with adversity
 - Consistency

Neither of which can be bought or traded for. They are grown. Through playing through adversity. And we got adversity. That's also why Rob's injury might even turn us into a far better team, and make us MORE likely to succeed this year.

We showed time and time again we COULD make the right place. We also showed the bad habits that we had from past seasons.

The reason I'm still not too high is that this is our "first playoffs" in a way, with this team, with this mentality, with this coach, etc.

Anyway, that's where I've been at, since the start of the season. (Or the end of last season, pretty much)

[Phantom255x]

I’d love to see how a poll conducted today would look 

[Roy H.]

Y'all just gotta trust a bit more.

And stop looking at the win/loss record because that doesn't tell you much when you're trying to go from under .500 to above it.

Progress is a process, not a straight line drive.

Signs were always there. Smart shooting less. Getting huge leads on great teams. JT passing outta double teams.

Yes we fell back into bad habits a lot, but that's why Ime played such a tight rotation imo; to train new habits. That's how building a team works. You iterate and do things over and over until they become second nature.

Said it in literally the first response in this topic, and I'll say it again;

There's ways you can improve that don't include just randomly firing and trading every piece you have.

No matter how often it is said I will never listen!

Yes, Kiorrik, you may turn out to be right. Let's hope so. But that was some call you made.

Have you ever seen a team make such a dramatic turnaround in such a relatively short amount of time. I haven't. It was almost as if the players showed up for practice one day after another embarrassing loss and said, "OK Coach, we'll try it your way for a change."