Prichard out of rotation, a mistake

[nickagneta]

Our depth at guard, which includes Pritchard, gives us some trade flexibility.  I feel that Schroder is being considered for a trade.  We could trade him and Pritchard could fill in and we would not lose all that much.

But I don't necessarily want to trade him just to trade him.  For example, is it really worth it to trade him for a pick in the 20's?  It doesn't seem it to me.

Is it worth trading Schroder (who is leaving after this season, one in which we're not winning anything) for, say, Pritchard? Or Timelord? Definitely. But I think we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 20s in the first place.

I see no way the Celtics get a first rounder for Schröder unless a playoff contender's top PG goes down for the season. Examples would be if say Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley got injured and we're going to be out until next year, Brad might be able to squeeze out a 1st rounder for Denis. But otherwise, just dumping him to someone, the C's would be most likely just getting a 2nd rounder.

But Schröder's and Juancho's salaries do add up to $12.9 million and could return a player making in the $16 million range. I could see someone wanting to move long term salary that might take those guys and a future 1st rounder for someone good.

[droopdog7]

Our depth at guard, which includes Pritchard, gives us some trade flexibility.  I feel that Schroder is being considered for a trade.  We could trade him and Pritchard could fill in and we would not lose all that much.

But I don't necessarily want to trade him just to trade him.  For example, is it really worth it to trade him for a pick in the 20's?  It doesn't seem it to me.

Is it worth trading Schroder (who is leaving after this season, one in which we're not winning anything) for, say, Pritchard? Or Timelord? Definitely. But I think we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 20s in the first place.

I see no way the Celtics get a first rounder for Schröder unless a playoff contender's top PG goes down for the season. Examples would be if say Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley got injured and we're going to be out until next year, Brad might be able to squeeze out a 1st rounder for Denis. But otherwise, just dumping him to someone, the C's would be most likely just getting a 2nd rounder.

But Schröder's and Juancho's salaries do add up to $12.9 million and could return a player making in the $16 million range. I could see someone wanting to move long term salary that might take those guys and a future 1st rounder for someone good.

I think a 2nd is about what we can expect.  Two seconds if another team is desperate.

[footey]

Schroder would not yield 1st round pick.  Not only will he be a FA, you would not be getting his bird rights, so it has no value to the holder thereof at the end of the season.  His UFA status is worthless to the purchaser (unlike, for example, Fournier, who we got for 2nd round pick) unless the purchaser has cap space, which are very few teams.

[Moranis]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

[droopdog7]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

Still think it’s a big stretch, especially seeing how
Schroeder starting to plateau.  I think we’re all seeing why he didn’t get his payday.

[nickagneta]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

Still think it’s a big stretch, especially seeing how
Schroeder starting to plateau.  I think we’re all seeing why he didn’t get his payday.

Plateau? What? Do you mean his WHOLE last two games and the two games HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN? Because his six games before that he actually play better than his first 20 games. Your opinion on that is completely wrong.

[Neurotic Guy]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

Still think it’s a big stretch, especially seeing how
Schroeder starting to plateau.  I think we’re all seeing why he didn’t get his payday.

It's still surprising that he didn't get his payday.  And LA actually offered him a substantial payday.  He is a starting PG or a high quality backup - 6th/7th man.  What I have seen is a valuable player. 

[liam]

Our depth at guard, which includes Pritchard, gives us some trade flexibility.  I feel that Schroder is being considered for a trade.  We could trade him and Pritchard could fill in and we would not lose all that much.

But I don't necessarily want to trade him just to trade him.  For example, is it really worth it to trade him for a pick in the 20's?  It doesn't seem it to me.

Is it worth trading Schroder (who is leaving after this season, one in which we're not winning anything) for, say, Pritchard? Or Timelord? Definitely. But I think we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 20s in the first place.

I see no way the Celtics get a first rounder for Schröder unless a playoff contender's top PG goes down for the season. Examples would be if say Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley got injured and we're going to be out until next year, Brad might be able to squeeze out a 1st rounder for Denis. But otherwise, just dumping him to someone, the C's would be most likely just getting a 2nd rounder.

But Schröder's and Juancho's salaries do add up to $12.9 million and could return a player making in the $16 million range. I could see someone wanting to move long term salary that might take those guys and a future 1st rounder for someone good.

They probably get what Orlando got for Fournier, two seconds. The Celtics should just keep him if it's for two seconds. If you can include him in a bigger trade then go for it.

[todd_days_41]

Our depth at guard, which includes Pritchard, gives us some trade flexibility.  I feel that Schroder is being considered for a trade.  We could trade him and Pritchard could fill in and we would not lose all that much.

But I don't necessarily want to trade him just to trade him.  For example, is it really worth it to trade him for a pick in the 20's?  It doesn't seem it to me.

Is it worth trading Schroder (who is leaving after this season, one in which we're not winning anything) for, say, Pritchard? Or Timelord? Definitely. But I think we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 20s in the first place.

I see no way the Celtics get a first rounder for Schröder unless a playoff contender's top PG goes down for the season. Examples would be if say Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley got injured and we're going to be out until next year, Brad might be able to squeeze out a 1st rounder for Denis. But otherwise, just dumping him to someone, the C's would be most likely just getting a 2nd rounder.

But Schröder's and Juancho's salaries do add up to $12.9 million and could return a player making in the $16 million range. I could see someone wanting to move long term salary that might take those guys and a future 1st rounder for someone good.

They probably get what Orlando got for Fournier, two seconds. The Celtics should just keep him if it's for two seconds. If you can include him in a bigger trade then go for it.

Sure, add him to a bigger trade. But if not, take the two 2nds. We're not a contender -- take the assets.

Of course, we'll likely waste 'em. Maybe we could pay the Clippers to tell us who they'd take with the picks on June 29th 

[todd_days_41]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

One bummer: some other teams who could use him (and have a propensity to dump picks) have long since traded all their 1sts. Miami comes to mind. 

I could see Thibs trading a future first for Schroder, as they have cap space and picks. Would GSW give up the 29-30th pick this year for him?

[SHAQATTACK]

Our depth at guard, which includes Pritchard, gives us some trade flexibility.  I feel that Schroder is being considered for a trade.  We could trade him and Pritchard could fill in and we would not lose all that much.

But I don't necessarily want to trade him just to trade him.  For example, is it really worth it to trade him for a pick in the 20's?  It doesn't seem it to me.

Is it worth trading Schroder (who is leaving after this season, one in which we're not winning anything) for, say, Pritchard? Or Timelord? Definitely. But I think we'd be lucky to get a pick in the 20s in the first place.

I see no way the Celtics get a first rounder for Schröder unless a playoff contender's top PG goes down for the season. Examples would be if say Jrue Holiday, Chris Paul, Kyle Lowry, Mike Conley got injured and we're going to be out until next year, Brad might be able to squeeze out a 1st rounder for Denis. But otherwise, just dumping him to someone, the C's would be most likely just getting a 2nd rounder.

But Schröder's and Juancho's salaries do add up to $12.9 million and could return a player making in the $16 million range. I could see someone wanting to move long term salary that might take those guys and a future 1st rounder for someone good.

They probably get what Orlando got for Fournier, two seconds. The Celtics should just keep him if it's for two seconds. If you can include him in a bigger trade then go for it.

Yup….better filler than taking sloppy seconds

[droopdog7]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

Still think it’s a big stretch, especially seeing how
Schroeder starting to plateau.  I think we’re all seeing why he didn’t get his payday.

Plateau? What? Do you mean his WHOLE last two games and the two games HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN? Because his six games before that he actually play better than his first 20 games. Your opinion on that is completely wrong.

Would you disagree that Schroeder is a somewhat polarizing player among fans?  If you do, then you see what I mean.  Call it what you want; he's hot and cold or his game doesn't suit everyone or every team or he's simply an okay player that cannot be resigned by most any team.

Either way, none of that screams 1st round pick to me.

[nickagneta]

Denver, Dallas, Philly, and Los Angeles C all theoretically could use Schroder to the point that they could give up a 1st for him, but of those teams only Dallas has a trade exception making a trade with the others far more difficult.

Still think it’s a big stretch, especially seeing how
Schroeder starting to plateau.  I think we’re all seeing why he didn’t get his payday.

Plateau? What? Do you mean his WHOLE last two games and the two games HE DIDN'T EVEN PLAY IN? Because his six games before that he actually play better than his first 20 games. Your opinion on that is completely wrong.

Would you disagree that Schroeder is a somewhat polarizing player among fans?  If you do, then you see what I mean.  Call it what you want; he's hot and cold or his game doesn't suit everyone or every team or he's simply an okay player that cannot be resigned by most any team.

Either way, none of that screams 1st round pick to me.

Never said or implied that Schröder was right for this team or some great player or at times not inconsistent.

But he has played great up until his last two games. The 6 before the last two games he averaged 19/5/2.5 on shooting splits of 46.5/40/88. The 20 games before that he had 17/5/4 on splits of 44/32.2/90.

His game has been on the rise up until the last two games and was steady real good as a 6th man/spot starter before that. There's been no plateau.

That's the only point I was making.

[gouki88]

Painfully unsurprising that Pritchard looks miles better when given proper run. Really questioning Ime on a lot of things

[Neurotic Guy]

Painfully unsurprising that Pritchard looks miles better when given proper run. Really questioning Ime on a lot of things

I know it's common here but I don't like questioning our coaches as I know they all know way more than I do and also have the advantage of seeing these guys every day.  But... it's been pretty frustrating and surprising for PP to get as little pt as he's been getting.  He was productive last year and we sure have been in need of shooting.  Hope his quality play in this stretch gets him minutes when the team is healthy/healthier.