Dennis Schröder

[Ed Monix]

Was never a fan of Schroeder. He’s completely changed my impressions on him.

He always annoyed me as an opponent, because he was pretty consistently a pain in Boston's backside. So when Boston got him, I was happy, and he hasn't disappointed me.

He was always Rondo lite to me, and I'm the biggest Rondo fanboy, so ...

Yeah I love this feller.

Schröder can be VERY hot and cold, but he does have many similar characteristics to Rajon…so perhaps 6th man Rondo?

In saying all that, I can’t see how the Celtics keep Schröder beyond this season.

[Goldstar88]

Our problem is, we can’t give him more than around $10 million next season.

In an ideal world, he signs with us for $10 million, and then the following season we give him a big contract starting around 17.5 million. But I don’t know if he will be that patient.

If the Celtics were able to move Hernangomez and Richardson by the deadline for expiring contracts, wouldn’t that allow the C’s to use that money(approximately $19.5 million) to re-sign Schroder? Jaylen is going to be back soon and Josh’s  minutes are going to drop significantly, then you have Romeo/Smart for the backup SG/SF minutes.

Also, what’s the deal with Al’s contract? $14.5m guaranteed for next season. Can they restructure?

Anyone have insight on the above? Do the C’s have any options there.

[jambr380]

Our problem is, we can’t give him more than around $10 million next season.

In an ideal world, he signs with us for $10 million, and then the following season we give him a big contract starting around 17.5 million. But I don’t know if he will be that patient.

If the Celtics were able to move Hernangomez and Richardson by the deadline for expiring contracts, wouldn’t that allow the C’s to use that money(approximately $19.5 million) to re-sign Schroder? Jaylen is going to be back soon and Josh’s  minutes are going to drop significantly, then you have Romeo/Smart for the backup SG/SF minutes.

Also, what’s the deal with Al’s contract? $14.5m guaranteed for next season. Can they restructure?

Anyone have insight on the above? Do the C’s have any options there.

It's all pretty much a big no. First, as Roy pointed out, the Cs cannot offer more than the full MLE (if they get below the tax), which would be around $10M. Even if they made the the proposed trade of Juancho and JRich, let all of their existing FAs walk, and somehow found a taker for Al's $26M, they would still be just under by $11-12M. So they would then need to find another taker for one or two of the young guys. That's a lot to give up.

As for Al specifically, he is worth $26M if we decide to keep him or trade him. It is only if we waive him that he is $14.5M on the books. I suppose we could do that, then re-sign him for the Vet Min, but not sure that would be in his best interest. This wouldn't really help in our pursuit of Schroder, though.

What is really weird is we have this TPE that we can use on literally any other player from any team (making <$17M) without sending out any salary, but we can't re-sign our own player to that amount. I understand that is the rule, but it puts us in a tough spot retaining the player we know actually fits well in our system. That would be an interesting rule change in the next CBA, but I suspect that it is so rare (having a TPE of any consequence - say over $10M or the MLE) that they just won't bother. TPEs are all the new rage, though.

[Goldstar88]

Our problem is, we can’t give him more than around $10 million next season.

In an ideal world, he signs with us for $10 million, and then the following season we give him a big contract starting around 17.5 million. But I don’t know if he will be that patient.

If the Celtics were able to move Hernangomez and Richardson by the deadline for expiring contracts, wouldn’t that allow the C’s to use that money(approximately $19.5 million) to re-sign Schroder? Jaylen is going to be back soon and Josh’s  minutes are going to drop significantly, then you have Romeo/Smart for the backup SG/SF minutes.

Also, what’s the deal with Al’s contract? $14.5m guaranteed for next season. Can they restructure?

Anyone have insight on the above? Do the C’s have any options there.

It's all pretty much a big no. First, as Roy pointed out, the Cs cannot offer more than the full MLE (if they get below the tax), which would be around $10M. Even if they made the the proposed trade of Juancho and JRich, let all of their existing FAs walk, and somehow found a taker for Al's $26M, they would still be just under by $11-12M. So they would then need to find another taker for one or two of the young guys. That's a lot to give up.

As for Al specifically, he is worth $26M if we decide to keep him or trade him. It is only if we waive him that he is $14.5M on the books. I suppose we could do that, then re-sign him for the Vet Min, but not sure that would be in his best interest. This wouldn't really help in our pursuit of Schroder, though.

What is really weird is we have this TPE that we can use on literally any other player from any team (making <$17M) without sending out any salary, but we can't re-sign our own player to that amount. I understand that is the rule, but it puts us in a tough spot retaining the player we know actually fits well in our system. That would be an interesting rule change in the next CBA, but I suspect that it is so rare (having a TPE of any consequence - say over $10M or the MLE) that they just won't bother. TPEs are all the new rage, though.

[dang]. If that’s the case, he’s gone for sure. No way he’s signing on for $10M when guys like Smart and Fournier are getting nearly $20M a year. Tp for the info.

[bopna]

Say he continues to dazzle the rest of the season and is able to help the Js lead us to the promise land...I bet he consideres that 1 yr 10 million with a wink wink deal next season for more dollars making up the 1 yr he was signed for cheap..besides if he does love playing with the Js why would he go elsewhere just to get money but you aint gonna be happy...look at Kemba and Fournier languishing in NY with all the $$ but is a terrible fit.

The downside though is DS is a player that you can fit to any team and system and still thrive..so he may or may not choose money.

Either way tbh..if we get just 1 yr out of him but helps us win a championship im one happy bunny and will wish him well anywehere he goes.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Was never a fan of Schroeder. He’s completely changed my impressions on him.

He always annoyed me as an opponent, because he was pretty consistently a pain in Boston's backside. So when Boston got him, I was happy, and he hasn't disappointed me.

He was always Rondo lite to me, and I'm the biggest Rondo fanboy, so ...

Yeah I love this feller.

He reminds me a lot of Rondo, with his play and even his physical build.

[KG Living Legend]

Was never a fan of Schroeder. He’s completely changed my impressions on him.

He always annoyed me as an opponent, because he was pretty consistently a pain in Boston's backside. So when Boston got him, I was happy, and he hasn't disappointed me.

He was always Rondo lite to me, and I'm the biggest Rondo fanboy, so ...

Yeah I love this feller.

He reminds me a lot of Rondo, with his play and even his physical build.

 Yeah he was dubbed "German Rondo" when he was drafted.

 I would say he's a much better scorer than Rondo. He's the scorer we wish Rondo was.

 Rondo crushes him with Court vision though obviously.

[gouki88]

He's averaging 18/5/4 this season and 23/4/4 since JB went down. He's getting a big offer by someone that isn't us this free agency period

[Celtics2021]

He's averaging 18/5/4 this season and 23/4/4 since JB went down. He's getting a big offer by someone that isn't us this free agency period

In a normal year where teams have cap room, sure.  But not many teams out there will have much more than the MLE.  There’s a reasonable chance Schröder could return on a 1+1, which would leave him with Early Bird rights in 2023.

[droopdog7]

Say he continues to dazzle the rest of the season and is able to help the Js lead us to the promise land...I bet he consideres that 1 yr 10 million with a wink wink deal next season for more dollars making up the 1 yr he was signed for cheap..besides if he does love playing with the Js why would he go elsewhere just to get money but you aint gonna be happy...look at Kemba and Fournier languishing in NY with all the $$ but is a terrible fit.

The downside though is DS is a player that you can fit to any team and system and still thrive..so he may or may not choose money.

Either way tbh..if we get just 1 yr out of him but helps us win a championship im one happy bunny and will wish him well anywehere he goes.

First, I have no idea what we can offer him if he resigns for one year after this season but I’m not sure it’s much more.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.

Second, wink wink deals are not exactly okay.  There was one such arrangement years ago they led to some SERIOUS penalties for the team involved.

Finally, you ALWAYS take the money.  Always.

[gouki88]

He's averaging 18/5/4 this season and 23/4/4 since JB went down. He's getting a big offer by someone that isn't us this free agency period

In a normal year where teams have cap room, sure.  But not many teams out there will have much more than the MLE.  There’s a reasonable chance Schröder could return on a 1+1, which would leave him with Early Bird rights in 2023.

Did not realise Detroit is basically the only team looking at any real cap space. Hmm...

If we could somehow retain him that would be pretty cool

[Kernewek]

Say he continues to dazzle the rest of the season and is able to help the Js lead us to the promise land...I bet he consideres that 1 yr 10 million with a wink wink deal next season for more dollars making up the 1 yr he was signed for cheap..besides if he does love playing with the Js why would he go elsewhere just to get money but you aint gonna be happy...look at Kemba and Fournier languishing in NY with all the $$ but is a terrible fit.

The downside though is DS is a player that you can fit to any team and system and still thrive..so he may or may not choose money.

Either way tbh..if we get just 1 yr out of him but helps us win a championship im one happy bunny and will wish him well anywehere he goes.

First, I have no idea what we can offer him if he resigns for one year after this season but I’m not sure it’s much more.  Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t.

Second, wink wink deals are not exactly okay.  There was one such arrangement years ago they led to some SERIOUS penalties for the team involved.

Finally, you ALWAYS take the money.  Always.

Reminder that Schroeder legitimately left 94 million dollars on the table during his last go around. I’m sure he’s very excited to get underpaid for another year. 

[timpiker]

He's been a blessing

[Celtics2021]

He's averaging 18/5/4 this season and 23/4/4 since JB went down. He's getting a big offer by someone that isn't us this free agency period

In a normal year where teams have cap room, sure.  But not many teams out there will have much more than the MLE.  There’s a reasonable chance Schröder could return on a 1+1, which would leave him with Early Bird rights in 2023.

Did not realise Detroit is basically the only team looking at any real cap space. Hmm...

If we could somehow retain him that would be pretty cool

I think the chances of him staying, assuming he's not traded mid-season, are pretty good.  The biggest hurdle is probably not other teams with cap space, but rather if we will have the room under the hard cap to offer him the full MLE, which could come down to what happens with Horford in the offseason.

[gift]

As soon as he signed it seemed obvious it was only going to be a one year thing (or less).