Poll: Question for the JKJB crowd

[perks-a-beast]

Keep JT and JB. 

Everybody else can — or should — be moved.  Starting with Marcus Moron.

A year ago I’d say this take was a bit harsh, but now I couldn’t agree more. The sooner Smart is gone the better.

[seancally]

Keep JT and JB. 

Everybody else can — or should — be moved.  Starting with Marcus Moron.

This is where I’m at.

Look at Milwaukee — Tatum is no Giannis, but JB is better than Middleton. Difference is then they have a Jrue Holiday who is a better lead playmaker / PG than our guys. Upgrading our 3rd-best player would elevate this team to contention IMO.

Maybe Timelord becomes a player like that but he’s more like a good starter on a contender. Smart is not and no one else really comes close.

[nickagneta]

Lol at an entire thread calling my "JKJB" slogan an island, movement or whatever. Maybe I should copyright  and hashtag it.

[Roy H.]

Keep JT and JB. 

Everybody else can — or should — be moved.  Starting with Marcus Moron.

A year ago I’d say this take was a bit harsh, but now I couldn’t agree more. The sooner Smart is gone the better.

A year ago I would have agreed with you.

[Smartacus]

Lol at an entire thread calling my "JKJB" slogan an island, movement or whatever. Maybe I should copyright  and hashtag it.

It's succinct and catchy, surprised you haven't released the line of merch yet.

[Roy H.]

Lol at an entire thread calling my "JKJB" slogan an island, movement or whatever. Maybe I should copyright  and hashtag it.

It's succinct and catchy, surprised you haven't released the line of merch yet.

Can I trademark “JTMS” (Just Trade Marcus Smart)?

[PhoSita]

You're not getting an equivalent or better player in return for Jaylen or Jayson, and I don't think it puts this team in a better spot to trade either of those guys for a combo of lesser players.

[Vermont Green]

Look at Milwaukee — Tatum is no Giannis, but JB is better than Middleton. Difference is then they have a Jrue Holiday who is a better lead playmaker / PG than our guys. Upgrading our 3rd-best player would elevate this team to contention IMO.

The main difference between MIL and BOS is that one of their big 3 is a big.  Our big 3 are two wings and I guess now Horford who really isn't good enough to be considered a big 3.

I don't have any problem with trading Smart or Richardson or Schroder or Williams or whoever.  But if it doesn't result in us getting a true starting level big, it isn't going to help much.

[nickagneta]

Lol at an entire thread calling my "JKJB" slogan an island, movement or whatever. Maybe I should copyright  and hashtag it.

It's succinct and catchy, surprised you haven't released the line of merch yet.

That's not a bad idea. Maybe my people need to get it touch with Jaylen's people and we can corroborate under his 7uice line of merch.

[NHHillbilly]

I keep to the Danny Ainge and past Celtics theory that everyone is tradable, but right now, just keep Jaylen Brown. Like Ainge told Perk: You don't trade Jaylen Brown for Harden just to switch up the roster. The Celtics are in the situation where they were with Paul Pierce before the trade for Garnett. They have 2 starters who would be fine as starters on a championship team. They need more. You keep drafting and look for people like Garnett and Ray Allen who could put you over the top. Right now Smart does not look like a championship starter: just can't shoot or pass well enough. Rob Williams has a ways to go to grow into a championship level starter.

Lots of players on 1 year or 2 year contracts. No one move will make a championship difference this year. The team should just keep building. It seems they are trying to be like the Sidney Moncrief Bucks: everyone is taller than 6' 4" and can just flat out play basketball.  Unless someone like Garnett becomes available, just keep building. As a two way player, Brown fits perfectly. We need the point guard and the big guy.

From history, the Celtics traded Paul Westphal for Charlie Scott. Westphal was young and Scott was a cagey vet. Scott did push them over the top to one championship where maybe Westphal at that stage probably wasn't good enough. Trading Jaylen now would be like trading Paul Westphal except there is no obvious trade target that would push the Celtics over the top for a championship.

[Moranis]

Look at Milwaukee — Tatum is no Giannis, but JB is better than Middleton. Difference is then they have a Jrue Holiday who is a better lead playmaker / PG than our guys. Upgrading our 3rd-best player would elevate this team to contention IMO.

The main difference between MIL and BOS is that one of their big 3 is a big.  Our big 3 are two wings and I guess now Horford who really isn't good enough to be considered a big 3.

I don't have any problem with trading Smart or Richardson or Schroder or Williams or whoever.  But if it doesn't result in us getting a true starting level big, it isn't going to help much.

I mean they were a 60 win team before Holiday because Tatum is no Giannis.  I mean that is a tremendous understatement.  Giannis is the best player in the world.  He is a big that can defend multiple positions and bring the ball up the court.  He passes, rebounds, defends, and of course scores (even if he is not a great shooter).  He is a 2 time MVP winner and has won the DPOY.  The reason Milwaukee wins is not because Holiday is a better 3rd option, it is because their 1st option is the best player in the world.  Boston has had plenty of good 3rd options over the years (and even some solid 4th options), but Boston hasn't made the Finals since KG got old and was no longer a top 5 player.  The simple reality is, time and time again, except in rare circumstances, teams that truly compete for the championship (and even make the Finals) have a top 5 player and many have more than 1 of those players (or a top 2 or 3 player).  The top end talent is what you need, and while I think Tatum can get to top 5 status, he isn't there yet and may never get there.  Boston could still build a championship contender around a top 10 Tatum, but it is going to require a top 15 player (which Brown isn't and is unlikely to reach) and a top 25 player.  Again this is basing it off of history.  If something happens basically every single year there is a reason for that.  Boston isn't a true contender because Tatum isn't yet good enough for Boston to be a true contender.

[Vermont Green]

Look at Milwaukee — Tatum is no Giannis, but JB is better than Middleton. Difference is then they have a Jrue Holiday who is a better lead playmaker / PG than our guys. Upgrading our 3rd-best player would elevate this team to contention IMO.

The main difference between MIL and BOS is that one of their big 3 is a big.  Our big 3 are two wings and I guess now Horford who really isn't good enough to be considered a big 3.

I don't have any problem with trading Smart or Richardson or Schroder or Williams or whoever.  But if it doesn't result in us getting a true starting level big, it isn't going to help much.

I mean they were a 60 win team before Holiday because Tatum is no Giannis.  I mean that is a tremendous understatement.  Giannis is the best player in the world.  He is a big that can defend multiple positions and bring the ball up the court.  He passes, rebounds, defends, and of course scores (even if he is not a great shooter).  He is a 2 time MVP winner and has won the DPOY.  The reason Milwaukee wins is not because Holiday is a better 3rd option, it is because their 1st option is the best player in the world.  Boston has had plenty of good 3rd options over the years (and even some solid 4th options), but Boston hasn't made the Finals since KG got old and was no longer a top 5 player.  The simple reality is, time and time again, except in rare circumstances, teams that truly compete for the championship (and even make the Finals) have a top 5 player and many have more than 1 of those players (or a top 2 or 3 player).  The top end talent is what you need, and while I think Tatum can get to top 5 status, he isn't there yet and may never get there.  Boston could still build a championship contender around a top 10 Tatum, but it is going to require a top 15 player (which Brown isn't and is unlikely to reach) and a top 25 player.  Again this is basing it off of history.  If something happens basically every single year there is a reason for that.  Boston isn't a true contender because Tatum isn't yet good enough for Boston to be a true contender.

Yes, I agree with that.  Tatum is not now and never will be quite as good as Giannis but as you say, he is getting closer every year.  Your formula of a top 10 (Tatum at some point), and then a top 15 and a top 25 can work in my mind but only if one of them is a big.  You need that balance.  I don't think Tatum, Beal, and Brown for example get you there.  So you need both, you need the top end talent and you also need the balance.

[blink]

Look at Milwaukee — Tatum is no Giannis, but JB is better than Middleton. Difference is then they have a Jrue Holiday who is a better lead playmaker / PG than our guys. Upgrading our 3rd-best player would elevate this team to contention IMO.

The main difference between MIL and BOS is that one of their big 3 is a big.  Our big 3 are two wings and I guess now Horford who really isn't good enough to be considered a big 3.

I don't have any problem with trading Smart or Richardson or Schroder or Williams or whoever.  But if it doesn't result in us getting a true starting level big, it isn't going to help much.

I mean they were a 60 win team before Holiday because Tatum is no Giannis.  I mean that is a tremendous understatement.  Giannis is the best player in the world.  He is a big that can defend multiple positions and bring the ball up the court.  He passes, rebounds, defends, and of course scores (even if he is not a great shooter).  He is a 2 time MVP winner and has won the DPOY.  The reason Milwaukee wins is not because Holiday is a better 3rd option, it is because their 1st option is the best player in the world.  Boston has had plenty of good 3rd options over the years (and even some solid 4th options), but Boston hasn't made the Finals since KG got old and was no longer a top 5 player.  The simple reality is, time and time again, except in rare circumstances, teams that truly compete for the championship (and even make the Finals) have a top 5 player and many have more than 1 of those players (or a top 2 or 3 player).  The top end talent is what you need, and while I think Tatum can get to top 5 status, he isn't there yet and may never get there.  Boston could still build a championship contender around a top 10 Tatum, but it is going to require a top 15 player (which Brown isn't and is unlikely to reach) and a top 25 player.  Again this is basing it off of history.  If something happens basically every single year there is a reason for that.  Boston isn't a true contender because Tatum isn't yet good enough for Boston to be a true contender.

I love JT, but right now I honestly think that Brown is the better overall player, and Brown is the player that is improving his game every year.  I no longer think it is a given that Tatum is the best player on the team nor in the future.

[td450]

I voted to trade the other parts of the roster before forming an opinion, but that was only half true. Brown is the last guy on this team I'd trade, and that includes Tatum.

I understand why people think Tatum is better. But the team has done everything it can to configure itself around Tatum, and I don't think they've done much of anything to maximize Brown. Brown is allowed to go off for two short stretches, which he inevitably finds a way to do, and then is a spot shooter for the rest of the game.

And yet, here we sit and Brown pumps out nearly the same numbers as Tatum. I would love to see what would happen if they actually tried to focus on Jaylen as a lead scorer.

I don't know why Ainge and Stevens seemed so awesome until the end of the first Kyrie season and then lost all capacity for cleverness.

I don't know why the team doesn't try to run with two wings like this, and then stands around in the half court while Tatum squares up defenders.

I don't know why they never took a chance on obtaining a playmaking talent.

I don't know why, when its two stars were wings, the team used two consecutive #14 picks on wings that were going to be hard to find minutes for.

I do think they could wake up and actually try to get someone to provide playmaking and pace before breaking these two up.

[tstorey_97]

If you wanted to trade Brown?

Where are you going to get the equivalent

Defense
Offense

And where is there a player in the NBA "who can switch on to anybody?"

I'm sure there are guys out there, but, they aren't available and they cost too much.

They are both too young. Live with it as someday they will both be in their primes and everybody will want to come here and play with them.